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Quote:I looked at his 2012 stats too. Productive, depending on your definition of the word. 865 yards in a full season isn't really anything to write home about IMO. Yea, he had a few monster games like I said, but his stats aren't nearly as consistent as AR15 in his 2nd year.

 

I watched him play.  Blackmon was eye popping.  Robinson is infinitely more consistent, but doesn't play with the flair Blackmon did (which was Irvin-like, best way I can think to put it.)

 

If you were to couple his talent with Robinson's work ethic... wow.

 

Blackmon was more talented, and it isn't particularly close.  He was a rare talent.  It was unfortunate that his demons were similarly exceptional.  It's not really worth debating, though since he's gone and not coming back.

Quote:I watched him play. Blackmon was eye popping. Robinson is infinitely more consistent, but doesn't play with the flair Blackmon did (which was Irvin-like, best way I can think to put it.)


If you were to couple his talent with Robinson's work ethic... wow.


Blackmon was more talented, and it isn't particularly close. He was a rare talent. It was unfortunate that his demons were similarly exceptional. It's not really worth debating, though since he's gone and not coming back.

Fair enough, not everyone has to agree on everything. You're right about it being a supreme waste of talent no matter which way you spin it, especially since he didnt seem like much of a bad guy at all. Still, give me the 6'3 guy who's faster with much bigger ups than the guy who plays with flair.

Its a dirty puddle that won't cool a hot iron.

Quote:I watched him play. Blackmon was eye popping. Robinson is infinitely more consistent, but doesn't play with the flair Blackmon did (which was Irvin-like, best way I can think to put it.)


If you were to couple his talent with Robinson's work ethic... wow.


Blackmon was more talented, and it isn't particularly close. He was a rare talent. It was unfortunate that his demons were similarly exceptional. It's not really worth debating, though since he's gone and not coming back.

My sentiments as well. Surprised more didn't feel this way. Blackmon, to me is in the Julio/AB class, if we equate eras that is. ARob, as outstanding as he is, like Green, Hopkins, Blackmon's OK State wingman - Bryant, Beckham are all in tier 2, to me.


Blackmon's #s pale in comparison indeed, and I agree with the dissappear in stretches take. But he can get you 300 yards in one game after 3 sub 70 games. That's how good he was, and that's a plausible pattern of #s for players of his caliber. When he was on, it was transcendent.

Blackmon never had a 300 yard game. In fact, in his best season in 2012, he had one 200 yard game against the tinhorns, sure, but he didn't break 100 yards even ONCE before or after that game at ALL that season. Allen Robinson meanwhile managed 7 100 yard games last year, 3 of which were for 150 plus. The games he didn't break 100, he was in the 70 yards or more range except for 3 games where he managed 50-60 yds. Week 1 and week 14 were the only games he didn't have at least 50.


Allen Robinson isn't just more consistent, he's flat out the better player.

Quote:Blackmon never had a 300 yard game. In fact, in his best season in 2012, he had one 200 yard game against the tinhorns, sure, but he didn't break 100 yards even ONCE before or after that game at ALL that season. Allen Robinson meanwhile managed 7 100 yard games last year, 3 of which were for 150 plus. The games he didn't break 100, he was in the 70 yards or more range except for 3 games where he managed 50-60 yds. Week 1 and week 14 were the only games he didn't have at least 50.


Allen Robinson isn't just more consistent, he's flat out the better player.

 

Blackmon's "best" season was the ONLY one he was active for 16 games, his rookie year.  I think that's the "stat" that you completely miss.  After his rookie year he only played in four more games.

 

Also leads me to believe you weren't actually watching when he played, and only have a stat sheet to reflect on.

 

Otherwise, it's night and day talent wise.  It's why Blackmon was such a high prospect and Robinson was not.  It's also why his fall was so disappointing.

 

If Blackmon didn't take himself out of the league, we likely wouldn't have even drafted Robinson.  There would have been little or no need.

 

You're not posting like you've even watched Blackmon play at all, which I seriously doubt you have.  Always checking down to the stat sheet, where I'm not sure you've read all of that either.  You certainly don't seem to grasp how little he played for the Jaguars, yet had a large impact when he did.

Quote:Blackmon's "best" season was the ONLY one he was active for 16 games, his rookie year. I think that's the "stat" that you completely miss. After his rookie year he only played in four more games.


Also leads me to believe you weren't actually watching when he played, and only have a stat sheet to reflect on.


Otherwise, it's night and day talent wise. It's why Blackmon was such a high prospect and Robinson was not. It's also why his fall was so disappointing.


If Blackmon didn't take himself out of the league, we likely wouldn't have even drafted Robinson. There would have been little or no need.


You're not posting like you've even watched Blackmon play at all, which I seriously doubt you have. Always checking down to the stat sheet, where I'm not sure you've read all of that either. You certainly don't seem to grasp how little he played for the Jaguars, yet had a large impact when he did.

Well, I'd be the first to tell you that your theory about whether or not I watched Jaguars football in 2012 is wrong. I could just as easily say you are speaking as though you haven't seen ARob play. Again, it's ok to disagree, I only used stats to try and back up my claim of Robinson being the better WR, meanwhile the only thing you had to offer in support of your argumet was Blackmon's "flair" as you saw it. I already said Blackmon was looking beastly and would've liked produced more with a better QB. Arob, in my opinion, is still the more talented guy.

Let's go simpler


ARob's best game as a pro, vs. Miami: 12 catches for 155 yards, 25.8 ypc, 2TDs


Blackmon's best day, vs. Texans: 14 catches for 236 yards, 33.7 ypc, 1TD


That difference in best output is about the difference in raw talent and level of esteem between the two, to me.


We have seen Blackmon go OFF. ARob at his best will be hard pressed to get to Justin Blackmon best. But as has been said, he ain't here. #WastedAir

He was drafted by Gene Smith. End of Stoty

Quote:Blackmon never had a 300 yard game. In fact, in his best season in 2012, he had one 200 yard game against the tinhorns, sure, but he didn't break 100 yards even ONCE before or after that game at ALL that season. Allen Robinson meanwhile managed 7 100 yard games last year, 3 of which were for 150 plus. The games he didn't break 100, he was in the 70 yards or more range except for 3 games where he managed 50-60 yds. Week 1 and week 14 were the only games he didn't have at least 50.


Allen Robinson isn't just more consistent, he's flat out the better player.

Don't forget the qb's throwing to both receivers, that should put it in context for you.

Blackmon played like he saw the field from the press box.


He just had a quality that transcended his average NFL athleticism.

Quote:Let's go simpler


ARob's best game as a pro, vs. Miami: 12 catches for 155 yards, 25.8 ypc, 2TDs


Blackmon's best day, vs. Texans: 14 catches for 236 yards, 33.7 ypc, 1TD


That difference in best output is about the difference in raw talent and level of esteem between the two, to me.


We have seen Blackmon go OFF. ARob at his best will be hard pressed to get to Justin Blackmon best. But as has been said, he ain't here. #WastedAir

 

Pretty much.  Blackmon was a playmaker.  With Robinson, more often than not Bortles is the one making the play and not the other way around.

 

That's certainly no knock on Robinson.  He's doing a great job of hauling them in.  But usually it's the pocket movement/throw and not the catch/route/etc that's the spectacular part of the plays this duo makes together.

Quote:He was drafted by Gene Smith. End of Stoty

 

No way is that the end of this "stoty", just no way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

To be continued..............................................

Quote:Let's go simpler


ARob's best game as a pro, vs. Miami: 12 catches for 155 yards, 25.8 ypc, 2TDs


Blackmon's best day, vs. Texans: 14 catches for 236 yards, 33.7 ypc, 1TD


That difference in best output is about the difference in raw talent and level of esteem between the two, to me.


We have seen Blackmon go OFF. ARob at his best will be hard pressed to get to Justin Blackmon best. But as has been said, he ain't here. #WastedAir

I'll go even simpler. Who cares about Blackmon?

Quote:I'll go even simpler. Who cares about Blackmon?

I'm sure ABC Liquor cares..

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Quote:Pretty much.  Blackmon was a playmaker.  With Robinson, more often than not Bortles is the one making the play and not the other way around.

 

That's certainly no knock on Robinson.  He's doing a great job of hauling them in.  But usually it's the pocket movement/throw and not the catch/route/etc that's the spectacular part of the plays this duo makes together.

 

 

While I agree with your prior reply, I disagree about ARob not being the one making the plays. You see, where Blackmon's flair came after the catch, ARob does plenty before the catch with his route running, and he's making huge plays downfield on the ball with his concentration and abilities to track the ball in the air and adjust to the ball. ARob reminds me of Fitz and is certainly one of the best deep receivers in the game, but Blackmon to me had that Terrell Owen's quality of being able to turn a nothing play in a huge breakout TD play.

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The last one I was in had Blackmon's picture on the wall with the words "Our Founder" underneath it.