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Not only hadn't the RB produced, the OL struggled with run blocking. It was a coaching failure across the board.

Quote:Who cares? You don't take the ball out of Blake's hands and give it to a RB that hasn't produced in his entire time with the team. You certainly don't do it 4 times in a row.

I don't think anybody "cares". This is about play calling in a tight game with a young QB. Blake is shaping up to be special, but he's still young. At some point, he will have the keys to the castle, but they weren't going to give him those keys in every instance last year as a second year starter. They also drafted a RB in the second round which meant they needed a role for the RB they paid for in free agency. The expectation is that you should be able to get a yard. Going for it 4x's in a row is stubborn for sure. However, if the game is close and my qb has proven he will sometimes take risks when he shouldn't, yeah you're going to be a bit stubborn. A loss of downs is better than a potential pick 6.

It was a bad coaching decision. Can we all admit that and move on? I don't see the point in arguing. It was a dumb call.

Quote:It was a bad coaching decision. Can we all admit that and move on? There is no point in arguing. It was a dumb call.

You haven't really put forth an argument. If you're done, fine. Don't try to decide for us all. Plenty of other threads to visit.

Quote:I don't think anybody "cares". This is about play calling in a tight game with a young QB. Blake is shaping up to be special, but he's still young. At some point, he will have the keys to the castle, but they weren't going to give him those keys in every instance last year as a second year starter. They also drafted a RB in the second round which meant they needed a role for the RB they paid for in free agency. The expectation is that you should be able to get a yard. Going for it 4x's in a row is stubborn for sure. However, if the game is close and my qb has proven he will sometimes take risks when he shouldn't, yeah you're going to be a bit stubborn. A loss of downs is better than a potential pick 6.

 


I don't understand why you're so hell bent that there was a chance he could throw a pick 6. There was a chance Gerhart could have fumbled and it was returned for a td. There was a chance Wiz snapped it over Blake's head and it was returned for a TD.

 

After 3 failed attempts, try something else. You're argument that he could turn it over would also say he shouldn't have been orchestrating the game winning drive either.

 

If you're worried that your 3rd overall, franchise QB MIGHT throw a pick in the RZ, then you have the wrong QB. If Blake is the guy we all believe he is/can be. Then there's no excuse for not giving him the opportunity to score.

Quote:It was a bad coaching decision. Can we all admit that and move on? I don't see the point in arguing. It was a dumb call.

 

It was a bad coaching decision because it didn't work.  There are a lot of coaches that do, and have done. the same thing.  Whether they call it 'imposing their will', or 'ramming it in' from the goal line...I have seen a lot of coaches do this exact same thing down on the goal line over the years.  You have got to think your team can move it one yard.  Do I agree with it?  No.  But there have been better coaches than Bradley do the exact same thing.  As Jags02 stated...I've seen Coughlin do it.

 

I think it has a little more to do with the above, than 1981's kinda goofy premise.  And no, he never threw one on the goal line.

Quote:I don't understand why you're so hell bent that there was a chance he could throw a pick 6. There was a chance Gerhart could have fumbled and it was returned for a td. There was a chance Wiz snapped it over Blake's head and it was returned for a TD.


After 3 failed attempts, try something else. You're argument that he could turn it over would also say he shouldn't have been orchestrating the game winning drive either.


If you're worried that your 3rd overall, franchise QB MIGHT throw a pick in the RZ, then you have the wrong QB. If Blake is the guy we all believe he is/can be. Then there's no excuse for not giving him the opportunity to score.

This is not an indictment of Blake, it's an indictment of his youth. Any of the things you mention can happen. I'm not saying he chose the perfect call in that situation. What I'm saying is given Blake's penchant for turnovers, it's easy to see why they ran it again. It is especially clear when viewed from the lense of only having to gain a yard from the goalline. Better coaches, with better qb's have made the same decision with the same result. It's OK not to agree with the call, but to not grasp why he made that call.

Quote:It was a bad coaching decision because it didn't work. There are a lot of coaches that do, and have done. the same thing. Whether they call it 'imposing their will', or 'ramming it in' from the goal line...I have seen a lot of coaches do this exact same thing down on the goal line over the years. You have got to think your team can move it one yard. Do I agree with it? No. But there have been better coaches than Bradley do the exact same thing. As Jags02 stated...I've seen Coughlin do it.


I think it has a little more to do with the above, than 1981's kinda goofy premise. And no, <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BortBl00/pick-sixes/'>he never threw one on the goal line</a>.

The premise became goofy when I had to explain why it's too early to judge whether or not Bradley is a good Coach.

Pretty sure he threw one inside the goal line of the Falcons game that was almost returned for a TD. Dude got tripped up right before halftime and they settled for a FG.

Quote:It was a bad coaching decision because it didn't work. There are a lot of coaches that do, and have done. the same thing. Whether they call it 'imposing their will', or 'ramming it in' from the goal line...I have seen a lot of coaches do this exact same thing down on the goal line over the years. You have got to think your team can move it one yard. Do I agree with it? No. But there have been better coaches than Bradley do the exact same thing. As Jags02 stated...I've seen Coughlin do it.


I think it has a little more to do with the above, than 1981's kinda goofy premise. And no, <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BortBl00/pick-sixes/'>he never threw one on the goal line</a>.

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Quote:It was a bad coaching decision because it didn't work. There are a lot of coaches that do, and have done. the same thing. Whether they call it 'imposing their will', or 'ramming it in' from the goal line...I have seen a lot of coaches do this exact same thing down on the goal line over the years. You have got to think your team can move it one yard. Do I agree with it? No. But there have been better coaches than Bradley do the exact same thing. As Jags02 stated...I've seen Coughlin do it.


I think it has a little more to do with the above, than 1981's kinda goofy premise. And no, <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BortBl00/pick-sixes/'>he never threw one on the goal line</a>.

Even if it doesn't get returned for a TD, throwing an int in the endzone gives them the ball at the 20 rather than having them backed up against the goal line.

 

This wasn't some sort of horrible coaching decision. There was logic behind what they did. It is easy to look at it now with hindsight bias and then criticize.

Is there a 3 page debate about 1 play?

Quote:Is there a 3 page debate about 1 play?

 

Why, are you having trouble counting?

Quote:This is not an indictment of Blake, it's an indictment of his youth. Any of the things you mention can happen. I'm not saying he chose the perfect call in that situation. What I'm saying is given Blake's penchant for turnovers, it's easy to see why they ran it again. It is especially clear when viewed from the lense of only having to gain a yard from the goalline. Better coaches, with better qb's have made the same decision with the same result. It's OK not to agree with the call, but to not grasp why he made that call.

 


Oh don't get me wrong, I do understand the reasoning, though I don't agree with it.

 

But I feel Blakes "penchant for turnovers" is a bit exaggerated, as is his pick 6 perception. Regardless of youth, I personally don't feel you gain much by trying to protect him in that situation. I'd rather put the ball in my playmaker's hands. Which is Blake.

 

I understand what they were "trying" to do with Toby. I just don't agree with it at that point.

Quote:Oh don't get me wrong, I do understand the reasoning, though I don't agree with it.


But I feel Blakes "penchant for turnovers" is a bit exaggerated, as is his pick 6 perception. Regardless of youth, I personally don't feel you gain much by trying to protect him in that situation. I'd rather put the ball in my playmaker's hands. Which is Blake.


I understand what they were "trying" to do with Toby. I just don't agree with it at that point.

As he goes he's going to make less mistakes and that perception should fade. Right now, I would guess most of us are really excited about his potential. He made a much larger jump last year than what I expected. He cleans up his mistakes even a little bit and it's watch-out!

I don't think the decision had anything to do with Bortles.


Bradley felt they should be able to run it in. Period.


I feel like they should have been able to as well.


And Rico is right, coaches do that same sequence all the time, it happens a few times every season throughout the league.

I make a bowel movement at roughly the same time every day, so there is that.

Quote:I make a bowel movement at roughly the same time every day, so there is that.

Thanks for the info Sheldon.

People are testy today the offseason is wearing on yall.


For my .02 It was talent letting the coaches down and making them look bad by being inept. Dont care about the D we are facing you should expect to get a yard on 4 tries regardless.


If i signed an entire o-line off the trash heap of FA misfits and told gerhart to get a yard in 4 tries id expect him to. Goal line stands like that are rare as hell for a reason.

Screw Toby, it doesn't matter who it is, you run the ball up the middle on 3rd and 4th from the 1 every time and figure out who wants it more. It's Olsen's fault for not running a rollout or QB sneak on 1st and 2nd down. I'd bet my last dollar he never repeats himself, regardless who's playing RB.


Edit: That's to say I 100% doubt I'll see another RB take 4 snaps up the middle on consecutive downs in Olsen's remaining tenure here, and I'd certainly be shocked to see it again in 2016. There's no way this guy sticks his neck out like that again unless it's a free-for'all, which is definitely possible next season.