Quote:As a resident of the us, let me translate what he meant by the part he bolded---
All undocumented immigrants are here illegally. Thus once a papers please law is enacted the mere fact that they are here breaks the law and thus they can be deported.
Right, jib?
Have fun never winning another national election with that policy...
actually...
I think the numbers for the republican party among hispanics went down about 15% after the passage of Simpson Mizolli...
Quote:You can't put an "if" in there. It's binary (breaking the law). True or false. It doesn't matter which law.
The F-35 can not even come close the the capabilities of an F-22. What is the cost of an F-35?... and it still doesn't work right?
Deportation is essentially a form of punishment and the punishment should fit the crime. You wouldn't get sent to jail for doing 60 in a 55mph zone and a resident shouldn't be deported for that either.
The F-35B became operational on 31 July 2015 with the USMC. Depending on total production numbers flyaway costs per unit are expected too be about $110 million with estimates towards $85 million as well as $150 million.
Quote:aside from the unequivocal violation of immigration law itself?
What you describe is more a matter of prosecutorial discretion than an out and out restriction on the government.
A legal permanent resident hasn't violated immigration law.
Your conversation with jib also included illegal aliens. I was pointing out that in the case of someone without a legal immigration status the violation of immigration law itself could and should be considered a deportable offense,
Quote:Your conversation with jib also included illegal aliens. I was pointing out that in the case of someone without a legal immigration status the violation of immigration law itself could and should be considered a deportable offense,
Please point to where I said illegal aliens didn't violate immigration law?
Quote:Deportation is essentially a form of punishment and the punishment should fit the crime. You wouldn't get sent to jail for doing 60 in a 55mph zone and a resident shouldn't be deported for that either.
The F-35B became operational on 31 July 2015 with the USMC. Depending on total production numbers flyaway costs per unit are expected too be about $110 million with estimates towards $85 million as well as $150 million.
Deportation is a form of punishment? Exactly why? Being in our country is a privilege, not a right.
The F-35 is really a piece of feces. The technology and concept is remarkable, but actual real world is less-than-desirable.
Quote:It. I self-identify as an F-35 Lightning II.
Stop making fun of those of us who identify as nontraditional genders. I'm triggered, and as anyone in Iraq can tell you, you don't want to trigger an Apache helicopter.
Quote:Deportation is a form of punishment? Exactly why? Being in our country is a privilege, not a right.
The F-35 is really a piece of feces. The technology and concept is remarkable, but actual real world is less-than-desirable.
Because the government can't forcibly relocate citizens either without due process or fair compensation. And as we have already established; residents largely share the same rights as citizens (except for the right to vote and the right to run for public office).
Quote:Except for that pesky concept called Due Process which applies to all people in US jurisdiction be it citizens, residents or aliens. (Yes, that includes illegal aliens.)
Quote:I agree. However, I was way too general with my statement. There should be no restrictions to deport and/or deny re-entry to non-U.S. citizens that have violated the law. That pretty much takes care of the illegal aliens.
Quote:Better, and I assumed as much when I first read your post but still felt the need to point it out. There's still a lot of gray area there though with regards as to what constitutes a violation of the law. Surely a traffic ticket should not be a reason to deport someone, even though it's a violation of the law. So in a sense that does place a certain amount of restriction on the government, though once an unequivocal violation has taken place they should have the choice to deport.
I simply stated that in the case of illegal aliens, defiance of immigration law itself constitutes an unequivocal violation of the law.
I also stated that what you describe is more a matter of prosecutorial or executive discretion than an outright restriction.
Quote:Because the government can't forcibly relocate citizens either without due process or fair compensation. And as we have already established; residents largely share the same rights as citizens (except for the right to vote and the right to run for public office).
However, "residents" that break the law can be deported. So you still haven't explained how that's a form of "punishment".
Quote:Because the government can't forcibly relocate citizens either without due process or fair compensation. And as we have already established; residents largely share the same rights as citizens (except for the right to vote and the right to run for public office).
and also the RIGHT to be in the country as opposed to the PRIVILAGE of being in this country at the discretion of the state.
Quote:I simply stated that in the case of illegal aliens, defiance of immigration law itself constitutes an unequivocal violation of the law.
I never said it didn't. I said illegal aliens have a right to due process just like residents and citizens.
Quote:Being in our country is a privilege
We're about to have Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton as our President. Be careful with that "p" word.
You kids have fun, I'm off to bed. Nearly midnight over here.
Quote:I never said it didn't. I said illegal aliens have a right to due process just like residents and citizens.
True, and all i was saying is that through that due process if it is determined that they do not have a legitimate legal status that they should be eligible for deportation.
Quote:You kids have fun, I'm off to bed. Nearly midnight over here.
Nighty night sweet pea. Perhaps after a good nights sleep by yourself you can post a reasonable argument... or not.
Quote:True, and all i was saying is that through that due process if it is determined that they do not have a legitimate legal status that they should be eligible for deportation.
Here's a minor curveball: what if a person who appears to be of Central American descent is arrested for a minor crime but, through a convoluted series of events mostly involving the Fifth Amendment but also requiring the commission of a secondary crime, refuses to give any identifying information about themselves, or any residency status. Under the Fifth Amendment, we can't force that person to incriminate themselves, nor can a refusal to answer be considered an admission of guilt. DNA evidence would prove useless: the absence of that person in the "system" merely proves that they're not "in the system", not that they aren't here legally. Do you risk deporting an American citizen, or are they simply dinged for the sentence for their initial crime plus fabricating information to police?
I know, minimal chance at best of this ever happening, but it's an interesting hypothetical. I think you'd have to sentence them for their outstanding crimes then let them go.
Quote:Here's a minor curveball: what if a person who appears to be of Central American descent is arrested for a minor crime but, through a convoluted series of events mostly involving the Fifth Amendment but also requiring the commission of a secondary crime, refuses to give any identifying information about themselves, or any residency status. Under the Fifth Amendment, we can't force that person to incriminate themselves, nor can a refusal to answer be considered an admission of guilt. DNA evidence would prove useless: the absence of that person in the "system" merely proves that they're not "in the system", not that they aren't here legally. Do you risk deporting an American citizen, or are they simply dinged for the sentence for their initial crime plus fabricating information to police?
I know, minimal chance at best of this ever happening, but it's an interesting hypothetical. I think you'd have to sentence them for their outstanding crimes then let them go.
Define, not in the system
Being here illegally is a violation of the law and should be a deportable offense. We should wait until Trump builds the wall- and Mexico will pay for the wall, that I can tell you- and round em all up. Load em up in a catapult and launch them over the big, beautiful wall- it will be beautiful because nobody builds walls better than Trump believe me- where they belong.
Quote:Define, not in the system
Not in any national database that could be linked to fingerprints, DNA, etc.