I'd prefer not to box these guys into one position and that's it. We've drafted/signed some freaking workhorses that can play several places. Imagine having them all on the field at once!
Or, they can rotate into different packages, which has got to be a nightmare for opposing coaches to have to game plan. This is a blessing, guys.
Finally, people. Finally, we theoretically have a defense that has the horses to both win at the line of scrimmage and can hold its own downfield, too.
I can't wait to see them on the field together.
Lol this board is hilarious.
No. Just no.
Quote:He is envisioned as our own Bruce Irvin.
Who envisions him as this?? Why do we always compare our players to Seattle players? What if hes his own player and even better then Irvin?? At least compare our players to potential Hall of Fame players. Not just above average football players..
I was thinking about this about Yannick when he talked about being a three-down guy. Right now though, Fowler is our LEO. Until Yannick develops in the run game, he won't unseat him there.
As for Fowler at OTTO, I've always felt he can play that spot too. At this point, I'll let the guys play and let that dictate where. I see Holmes as a developmental OTTO too, so him and Yannick have a race on who can be a full time LEO or OTTO.
Ngakoue was a 3rd round pick, not a 1st round pick, for a reason. Put down the teal Koolaid until he has played a few downs, and shown you more than a highlight tape. I think he'll be good, but is limited as a DPR for now.
Quote:Being a Hawkeye fan I got the chance to watch him play a little bit and he worked us over pretty good. We usually have a pretty respectable offensive line. I honestly think that he is quick enough to have a meaningful impact this year. I'm expecting 8-10 sacks.
Lets take it down a notch
Quote:Ngakoue was a 3rd round pick, not a 1st round pick, for a reason. Put down the teal Koolaid until he has played a few downs, and shown you more than a highlight tape. I think he'll be good, but is limited as a DPR for now.
Ngakou also has on film beating guys like Conklin, Spriggs, etc. from the edge.
Fowler really didn't do that at UF. His draft selection is more projection at LEO.
I hate all these stupid position names. We dont do anything different than anyone else. we line up 4 guys just like everyone else and they try to beat the guy in front of them just like everyone else. leo, otto, whatever.
if you believe all that stuff, the true definition of a Leo is an undersized guy that is quick who they line up farther outside the tackle than where a DE usually does. And uses his speed to pressure the QB. Since that is the case, I think you could easily make an argument that Yannick fits that description moreso than Fowler. Fowler is a bigger guy who lined up all across the dline at UF and is very versatile. Fowler is more like a very versatile 3-4 LB than the undersized speedy end. I think the hope is Fowler will be so good he could do anything, kinda like Terrell Suggs. Beat you with speed or power. But based on the true definition of a LEO, I think you could easily make an argument Yannick fits that better.
I watched a whooooole lot of Fowler, virtually every game of his live since I'm a UF fan and then literally every cutup on DB at least once and several of the big games 2 or more times. Yannick only has a few DB cutups so I haven't got to watch him as much. My 2 cents would be that Fowler will be more consistently disruptive, especially since he plays the run far better, but Ngakoue should definitely have more jaw dropping plays and has more pure pass rush potential.
For example, these 4 plays of Yannick are literally better than any single play I saw of Fowler's:
https://vine.co/v/iPtB6UhrKXb
https://vine.co/v/iPtzAFEPp0Z
https://twitter.com/PFF_Ben/status/726228963463446528
https://vine.co/v/ib2ZHWPK9V7
Fowler made plays similar to all three of those that I can think of just off the top of my head. I have a hard time believing you've seen as much of Fowler as you say.
Quote:Fowler made plays similar to all three of those that I can think of just off the top of my head. I have a hard time believing you've seen as much of Fowler as you say.
I dont believe him. He showed a swim move and a bull rush the first 2 vines and he has never seen Fowler make a better play than those lol. I have said before if he watched as much as he said he does he doesnt know what hes looking at
Quote:I watched a whooooole lot of Fowler, virtually every game of his live since I'm a UF fan and then literally every cutup on DB at least once and several of the big games 2 or more times. Yannick only has a few DB cutups so I haven't got to watch him as much. My 2 cents would be that Fowler will be more consistently disruptive, especially since he plays the run far better, but Ngakoue should definitely have more jaw dropping plays and has more pure pass rush potential.
For example, these 4 plays of Yannick are literally better than any single play I saw of Fowler's:
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://vine.co/v/iPtB6UhrKXb'>https://vine.co/v/iPtB6UhrKXb</a>
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://vine.co/v/iPtzAFEPp0Z'>https://vine.co/v/iPtzAFEPp0Z</a>
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/PFF_Ben/status/726228963463446528'>https://twitter.com/PFF_Ben/status/726228963463446528</a>
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://vine.co/v/ib2ZHWPK9V7'>https://vine.co/v/ib2ZHWPK9V7</a>
The first two are against southern Florida so I'd take them with a heavy pinch of salt. He has a good set of moves and counter moves already in his arsenal,a bit more strength and he can be very good.
Quote:Fowler made plays similar to all three of those that I can think of just off the top of my head. I have a hard time believing you've seen as much of Fowler as you say.
Link. He provided some.
Your turn.
I for one never saw Fowler speed rush a top tackle then push him down like he wasn't even there. Which Yannick did to Conklin.
I'm not providing links because I'm on a phone but incanngive you the games and you can find them yourself.
1. He shows a dip, rip, and bend around the tackle against Georgia, Kentucky, and Tennessee
2. He shows a bullrush against Kentucky in 2013 and East Carolina in 2014
3. He shows a spin move against Vadnerbilt and FSU
But Fowler wins with his hands and inside moves. He is a maestro with his hands. Ngakoue not even close to Fowler with his hand usage. On top of Fowler being bigger, faster, stronger, more physical, way better against the run, and being able to drop back in coverage. And he can rush from any stance.
But Ngakoue is better at bending the edge and winning with finesse speed moves.
This debate is pointless because Yannick isn't playing unless it is a clear and obvious passing down because he's just soft. There's no other way to put it. He's soft. If that doesn't change he's not playing much.
As far as highlights, go back to the UK and LSU games his last year at UF. Fowler is simply tougher, quicker, stronger, and more violent at the point of attack than Yannick. That is just a fact. Fowler's club move is better than anything Yannick has in his arsenal. Unlike Yannick, Fowler faced constant double teams which he beat on a regular basis. The two players aren't even close right now. One day maybe.
I'm excited for the development of Yannick, I think he can become a consistence 10 sack guy if he develops.
I'm glad everyone is jumping on the Yannick train. I've been high on this cat since before the draft. If he does what it takes to master the position he's going to be scary good. We may find ourselves having to make a tough decision in 4 years when Fowler and Yannick contracts come due.
With so many players these guys are sure to hit home. I do feel like Fowler would be an ideal OTTO, and I've said as much since he was drafted. Before Yannick we were simply desperate to player Fowler at LEO. That said, could we maybe, just for say the 3-LEO package, move Fowler to WLB with Telvin moving to SS I can see something like...
LDE(LEO) Woodard, DT Jackson, DT(LEO) Day/Davis, LEO Ngakoue
OTTO Holmes MLB Jack WLB Fowler
SS Telvin FS Gipson
Holmes, Fowler and Telvin could all blitz or fake blitz.
Woodard is a guy I'm intrigued with because his tape shows him getting a rush on from all over the DL. I figure they must have moved him around to try and focus on OL weaknesses, although that doesn't diminish his talent. He knows what it takes to mount a pass rush from the strongside DE spot so I do see him fitting in well behind Odrick.
Quote:I'm not providing links because I'm on a phone but incanngive you the games and you can find them yourself.
1. He shows a dip, rip, and bend around the tackle against Georgia, Kentucky, and Tennessee
2. He shows a bullrush against Kentucky in 2013 and East Carolina in 2014
3. He shows a spin move against Vadnerbilt and FSU
But Fowler wins with his hands and inside moves. He is a maestro with his hands. Ngakoue not even close to Fowler with his hand usage. On top of Fowler being bigger, faster, stronger, more physical, way better against the run, and being able to drop back in coverage. And he can rush from any stance.
But Ngakoue is better at bending the edge and winning with finesse speed moves.
Ummmm.... Isn't that what a LEO is??
Am I the only one that is tired of the Leo/Otto stuff?