First and foremost I live in Packer country so I'm very familiar with their team, Green Bay's offense should be better in 2016, but the Jags defense matches up well with this offense. Green Bay won't be able to run the ball against our front 7, the Packers offense should be one dimensional which bodes well for our pass rush, that's big considering their o- line (especially the LT position) is average/below average. I don't see Jordy Nelson having a big day against our secondary for a couple of reasons, he's a 31 year old receiver coming off an ACL tear, and a guy like Davon House(s) skill-set matches up perfectly with a receiver like Jordy Nelson. Davon excels against bigger "less twitchy" receivers, it wouldn't surprise me if Jordy put up a mediocre 4 catch 40-50 yard stat line.
The key to this game on the Packers offensive side of the ball is Randall Cobb/Jeff Janis/and newly acquired Jared Cook, Cobb runs the majority of his routes out of the slot, but because the Jags feature 3 solid CB's, I expect Cobb to run some of his routes out of the backfield. Green Bay does this quite a bit against defenses that feature strong secondaries, it's a creative way to get him matched up with a linebacker. That's where Myles Jack comes into play, he has the coverage skills and speed to erase Cobb from this game if they decide to put him in backfield.
The Jaguars offense should have plenty success against the Packers defense, especially if the Jags go with a run heavy approach. The Packers had a hard time stopping the run last year, and I expect that to continue this year as they did little in the offseason to address it. The Packers (like most teams) struggle to contain athletic TE's, Julius Thomas should have a field day against their linebackers and safeties. The Packers do have a trio of solid CB's in Sam Shields/Quinten Rollins/Damarious Randall, but they have no one that can match up with the size and athleticism of Allen Robinson.
If the Jags can neutralize Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers (these are the only guys on this defense to "worry about"), there's no reason why the Jags can't put up 30-40 points on this Packers defense. The Packers play a ton of man coverage but simply don't have the horses (on the back end) to contain the Jags offensive skill players, I expect big games from Blake Bortles, Allen Robinson, Julius Thomas, and both TJ Yeldon/Chris Ivory. This a bad matchup for Green Bay, I think too many of you are overrating their offense while underrating the "problems" our offense can present to an average defense like Green Bay.
These are video clips of 4th round pick Sheldon Day going up against Packers' 2nd round pick Jason Spriggs.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3...Day-No-103
If Spriggs starts for the Pack, I could see some situations where Day lines up over him, and Fowler rushes from the left side.
Ramsey and Jack's athletic ability will help them contribute early. That freakish athleticism can help them make up for the early rookie mistakes until they get up to the NFL speed of the game.
Quote:Again, the big challenge for a rookie corner is understanding WR route running. Veteran WRs have perfected ways to use their feet to fool corners, and rookies have no experience with this at this level. One wrong step can be the difference between forcing an offense to punt and giving them a deep passing TD.
Again, by the time of the season opener, Ramsey will have gone up against Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans of the Bucs, AJ Green of Cincinnati, and Eric Decker and Brandon Marshall of the Jets, to say nothing of Allen Robinson and Hurns every day in camp.
Those are some pretty good route runners in that group.
If Ramsey is what the Jaguars think he is, he'll be fine against Nelson.
Quote:Again, by the time of the season opener, Ramsey will have gone up against Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans of the Bucs, AJ Green of Cincinnati, and Eric Decker and Brandon Marshall of the Jets, to say nothing of Allen Robinson and Hurns every day in camp.
Those are some pretty good route runners in that group.
If Ramsey is what the Jaguars think he is, he'll be fine against Nelson.
Actually, of the receivers you've mentioned (Jackson, Evans and green) are go route specialists, and decker and Marshall are physical. Not sure what had impressed you about their route running.
Quote:Actually, of the receivers you've mentioned (Jackson, Evans and green) are go route specialists, and decker and Marshall are physical. Not sure what had impressed you about their route running.
You say this as if guys who excel at go routes or physical receivers can't be good route runners.
In order to run go routes effectively, a receiver either has to have blinding speed (none of those guys have blinding speed) or be able to set up the routes well.
In other words, the use of stutter steps, head and shoulder fakes, and otherwise sell the DB on the possibility on another route is key (see: Smith, Jimmy).
Physical receivers often push off or use shoulders to gain separation running routes-especially in or digs (see: Irvin, Michael).
Are these guys in Marvin Harrison's class of route running? No.
But neither is Nelson.
Quote:You say this as if guys who excel at go routes or physical receivers can't be good route runners.
In order to run go routes effectively, a receiver either has to have blinding speed (none of those guys have blinding speed) or be able to set up the routes well.
In other words, the use of stutter steps, head and shoulder fakes, and otherwise sell the DB on the possibility on another route is key (see: Smith, Jimmy).
Physical receivers often push off or use shoulders to gain separation running routes-especially in or digs (see: Irvin, Michael).
Are these guys in Marvin Harrison's class of route running? No.
But neither is Nelson.
Thank you. I'm not especially afraid of a 31 yo receiver coming off tearing an acl. None of guys you mentioned are in the upper tier of route runners. This is much ado about nothing. Will Ramsey be able to cover Nelson vertically? I think we're safe.
Quote:Thank you. I'm not especially afraid of a 31 yo receiver coming off tearing an acl. None of guys you mentioned are in the upper tier of route runners. This is much ado about nothing. Will Ramsey be able to cover Nelson vertically? I think we're safe.
I think the bold is an important distinction.
At this point, my belief is that if there is any kind of receiver that would give Ramsey fits, it would be the smallish, shifty WR with very good change of direction (ie. Hilton, Welker, and Cobb).
But I think Ramsey should excel against the long strider type like Nelson.
Quote:I think the bold is an important distinction.
At this point, my belief is that if there is any kind of receiver that would give Ramsey fits, it would be the smallish, shifty WR with very good change of direction (ie. Hilton, Welker, and Cobb).
But I think Ramsey should excel against the long strider type like Nelson.
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Pretty soon we won't be concerned with who Ramsey has to cover ever. Doesn't mean he won't give up catches, because even Patrick Peterson does that. However, we got the top athlete in the draft who happens to also be a DB. Let's not expect him to play at a Peterson level in his first real game while also not panicking over Nelson.
Meh, after the ACL and plus he's old... I bet Myles Jack can cover him.
Jordy Nelson does not worry me.
I'm telling you all. This team is going to show up and give Green Bay all they can handle and then some.
This team is talented across the board and I think we match up quite well with them.
Quote:I think the bold is an important distinction.
At this point, my belief is that if there is any kind of receiver that would give Ramsey fits, it would be the smallish, shifty WR with very good change of direction (ie. Hilton, Welker, and Cobb).
But I think Ramsey should excel against the long strider type like Nelson.
Yeah I'm thinking Prince takes on Cobb Week 1.
Gus comes out firing with a new, innovative game plan: rush four, bring minimal pressure and drop back into a soft zone D. Gratz will start at CB and shadow Nelson all afternoon.
Rodgers: 450 yds 3 TD
Nelson: 120 yds 2 TD
Cobb: 100 yds 1 TD
Lacy: 150 yds 2 TD
Blake comes out on fire but drives are stopped in their tracks as Joeckel gets whipped by Matthews. A snap sails over Blake's head and the Packers run it in for a TD
Bortles: 320 yds 2TD 2 INT (1 pick 6)
Yeldon: 75 yds 1 TD
Allens: 100 yds TD each
Meyers: 65 yd FG. 3 missed PATs.
Packers 49 Jay-gwires 21
Quote:Gus comes out firing with a new, innovative game plan: rush four, bring minimal pressure and drop back into a soft zone D. Gratz will start at CB and shadow Nelson all afternoon.
Rodgers: 450 yds 3 TD
Nelson: 120 yds 2 TD
Cobb: 100 yds 1 TD
Lacy: 150 yds 2 TD
Blake comes out on fire but drives are stopped in their tracks as Joeckel gets whipped by Matthews. A snap sails over Blake's head and the Packers run it in for a TD
Bortles: 320 yds 2TD 2 INT (1 pick 6)
Yeldon: 75 yds 1 TD
Allens: 100 yds TD each
Meyers: 65 yd FG. 3 missed PATs.
Packers 49 Jay-gwires 21
You're not a smart guy are ya, buddy.
Quote:Meh, after the ACL and plus he's old... I bet Myles Jack can cover him.
hell be 31 by the end of the month. Thats not old enough to shrug someone of his caliber off by any means. And jack definitely cant cover him if his knee is full go.
Youre drowing in the teal koolaid if a potentially healthy jordy nelson doesnt worry you
Or if you think a rookie lb is going to cover him
Quote:hell be 31 by the end of the month. Thats not old enough to shrug someone of his caliber off by any means.
You think Nelson at his age after an ACL is better than a 20 year old whose faster and more agile?
Quote:You think Nelson at his age after an ACL is better than a 20 year old whose faster and more agile?
if speed and agility were the only things that mattered this might hold some weight.