03-21-2017, 07:36 PM
03-21-2017, 07:38 PM
03-21-2017, 07:40 PM
Quote:<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893'>Since y'all asked.</a>
I guess if you dont have a rudimentary understanding of the English language and a racial axe to grind you could believe that nonsense.
03-21-2017, 07:41 PM
Quote:Well maybe I think this way because the flag and anthem mean nothing to me. In my opinion his aim was noble but done in a highly naive manner. I think he was hoping that his message was received equally by everyone, but instead alienated millions by the route he took.Pulling out my lighting rod and firmly planting it in the ground.
Colin's "protest" was nothing more than an entitled professional athlete that happened to be a minority being replaced by white guy. He could not fathom that he a former Super Bowl starting QB was replaced due to the league figuring him out and his on the field play and diminishing skills. In his mind it had to be about race.
03-21-2017, 07:44 PM
Quote:Pulling out my lighting rod and firmly planting it in the ground.
Colin's "protest" was nothing more than an entitled professional athlete that happened to be a minority being replaced by white guy. He could not fathom that he a former Super Bowl starting QB was replaced due to the league figuring him out and his on the field play and diminishing skills. In his mind it had to be about race.
A true act of desperation to keep his name in the limelight..
03-21-2017, 07:46 PM
Quote:Since y'all asked.<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">For instance that article claims that
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">No refuge could save the hireling and slave"
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Is a reference to black slaves being killed. When in reality it refers to the british use of german mercenaries in the war and the british use of impressment where they would force and kidnap american seamen to serve on british ships, If i'm not mistaken that was one of the biggest causes of the war in 1812.
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Of course the author of that article didn't actually know any of this so he put his own spin on what it meant.
03-21-2017, 07:52 PM
Quote:You really buy into that whole hate-America-first brainwashing, don't you?
Not at all. I live in the greatest country on earth by choice instead of luck. America's not perfect, and may not be the best place for everyone, but it's almost certainly the best place for a guy like me. Just providing the link for Indy's point.
Quote:I guess if you dont have a rudimentary understanding of the English language and a racial axe to grind you could believe that nonsense.
I think the article made a great point about the 3rd verse. The case can be made that it's about the fate of runaway slaves seeking freedom on the British side instead of slavery on the American one.
But, as we all know, we never, ever, play even the 2nd verse of the national anthem. So in modern America, it's kind of a reach to say that playing the anthem represents an endorsement of colonial slavery.
Francis Scott Key did write it, though.
03-21-2017, 07:54 PM
Quote:That article is actually wrong though.Refuted by an Irishman. No bias there.
03-21-2017, 07:55 PM
Quote:I agree yet disagree. There are transgressions that supersede ability. Indy's reference about pee'ing on the flag is an example of one.Mixon is getting another chance most likely after beating a woman.
Peterson got another chance after beating his kid with a switch in his private area.
Teams overlook a lot. I think you're underestimating just what these owners will do to win. I'm not saying it's right but it's the truth.
03-21-2017, 07:58 PM
Quote:Mixon is getting another chance most likely after beating a woman.
Peterson got another chance after beating his kid with a switch in his private area.
Teams overlook a lot. I think you're underestimating just what these owners will do to win. I'm not saying it's right but it's the truth.
By golly he kneeled during a song!! String him up!
But hey Donald had a bad day yesterday. He needed a new story.
Meanwhile meals on wheels got another 50k.
03-21-2017, 08:06 PM
Quote:Not at all. I live in the greatest country on earth by choice instead of luck. America's not perfect, and may not be the best place for everyone, but it's almost certainly the best place for a guy like me. Just providing the link for Indy's point.
I think the article made a great point about the 3rd verse. The case can be made that it's about the fate of runaway slaves seeking freedom on the British side instead of slavery on the American one.
But, as we all know, we never, ever, play even the 2nd verse of the national anthem. So in modern America, it's kind of a reach to say that playing the anthem represents an endorsement of colonial slavery.
Francis Scott Key did write it, though.
The 3rd verse says they came here and we kicked their [BLEEP]. Any other interpretation discounts the flow and tenor of the other stanzas.
03-21-2017, 08:14 PM
Quote:Not at all. I live in the greatest country on earth by choice instead of luck. America's not perfect, and may not be the best place for everyone, but it's almost certainly the best place for a guy like me. Just providing the link for Indy's point.So vetting a poem roughly 100 years after is was written, picking out what applies and disregarding the rest makes the final product a racist anthem?
I think the article made a great point about the 3rd verse. The case can be made that it's about the fate of runaway slaves seeking freedom on the British side instead of slavery on the American one.
But, as we all know, we never, ever, play even the 2nd verse of the national anthem. So in modern America, it's kind of a reach to say that playing the anthem represents an endorsement of colonial slavery.
Francis Scott Key did write it, though.
03-21-2017, 08:16 PM
Quote:The 3rd verse says they came here and we kicked their [BAD WORD REMOVED]. Any other interpretation discounts the flow and tenor of the other stanzas.
Maybe
But it is historical fact the author has yuge skeletons in his closet regarding race and slavery. And he wasn't against it.
So it's not a stretch to suggest the 3rd verse was less than patriotic.
03-21-2017, 08:17 PM
Quote:The 3rd verse says they came here and we kicked their [BAD WORD REMOVED]. Any other interpretation discounts the flow and tenor of the other stanzas.
If you say so, but, having never heard or even read the verse before:
"No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,"
sure sounds like the [BLEEP] the Americans were kicking were those of mercenaries and escaped slaves. And right or wrong, Key was happy about it. If you were a slave and got to the British side, you were free. Free to fight against the system that enslaved you. Our national anthem celebrates vanquishing the dreams of those slaves.
Not that it matters. Any verse but the 1st of the national anthem is kinda worthless anyway.
03-21-2017, 08:19 PM
Quote:So vetting a poem roughly 100 years after is was written, picking out what applies and disregarding the rest makes the final product a racist anthem?
I agree with you that it doesn't, especially since it's never played.
I described it as a "reach", and stand by that statement. I can't say the 3rd verse doesn't exist though, and it sure as hell sounds a bit like an endorsement of slavery over freedom for the browner ones of us.
03-21-2017, 08:19 PM
Quote:If you say so, but, having never heard or even read the verse before:Seems like you missed my post so I'll send it again....
"No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,"
sure sounds like the [BAD WORD REMOVED] the Americans were kicking were those of mercenaries and escaped slaves. And right or wrong, Key was happy about it. If you were a slave and got to the British side, you were free. Free to fight against the system that enslaved you. Our national anthem celebrates vanquishing the dreams of those slaves.
Not that it matters. Any verse but the 1st of the national anthem is kinda worthless anyway.
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">For instance that article claims that
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">No refuge could save the hireling and slave"
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Is a reference to black slaves being killed. When in reality it refers to the british use of german mercenaries in the war and the british use of impressment where they would force and kidnap american seamen to serve on british ships, If i'm not mistaken that was one of the biggest causes of the war in 1812.
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Of course the author of that article didn't actually know any of this so he put his own spin on what it meant.
03-21-2017, 08:20 PM
Quote:If you say so, but, having never heard or even read the verse before:Hey I love the National Anthem. I stand hand on heart every time. Even Whitney sang I may have shed a tear.
"No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,"
sure sounds like the [BAD WORD REMOVED] the Americans were kicking were those of mercenaries and escaped slaves. And right or wrong, Key was happy about it. If you were a slave and got to the British side, you were free. Free to fight against the system that enslaved you. Our national anthem celebrates vanquishing the dreams of those slaves.
Not that it matters. Any verse but the 1st of the national anthem is kinda worthless anyway.
But the pledge? No way!
Quote:Seems like you missed my post so I'll send it again....
For instance that article claims that
"<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);"><span style="font-family:ElizabethSerif;"><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);">Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
</span></span></span>
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);"><span style="font-family:ElizabethSerif;"><span style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245);">No refuge could save the hireling and slave"
</span></span></span>
Is a reference to black slaves being killed. When in reality it refers to the british use of german mercenaries in the war and the british use of impressment where they would force and kidnap american seamen to serve on british ships, If i'm not mistaken that was one of the biggest causes of the war in 1812.
Of course the author of that article didn't actually know any of this so he put his own spin on what it meant.
No slaves and indentured servants were always through history labeled as such. It's clearly written about slaves that got to the British side.
03-21-2017, 08:25 PM
Quote:Mixon is getting another chance most likely after beating a woman.1. Mixon was young and seems to be genuinely contrite. He has fallen by all accounts from the 1st round to the 3rd at best. His transgressions have cost him dearly.
Peterson got another chance after beating his kid with a switch in his private area.
Teams overlook a lot. I think you're underestimating just what these owners will do to win. I'm not saying it's right but it's the truth.
2. I was beaten with a switch when I messed up. So were my friends because we were usually doing the same stupid stuff. Times change but memories do not.
3. If you actually believe that Brady or Rogers could pee on the American flag and not face major repercussions in this country your are delusional.
Yes you are correct that teams will overlook flaws but there are some transgressions that will never be overlooked.
03-21-2017, 08:32 PM
Quote:By golly he kneeled during a song!!Your disdain for what that song represents is astounding.
String him up!
But hey Donald had a bad day yesterday. He needed a new story.
Meanwhile meals on wheels got another 50k.
03-21-2017, 08:34 PM
Quote:Your disdain for what that song represents is astounding.
My disdain for idolatry is biblical