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Quote:Socialist immigration policies and anti-crime efforts have failed Sweden. It is so bad women are being told by police it is too dangerous for them to go out at night.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-08/sweden-warns-women-not-go-out-alone-after-dark-serious'>http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-08/sweden-warns-women-not-go-out-alone-after-dark-serious</a>


Also, we spend more-per-pupil on public education than any Scandinavian country, but our students have some of the worst educational scores compared to other first-world nations. Socialized education in the US has failed to keep us competitive.

I wouldn't say it has failed, but it certainly isn't up to snuff when compared to other countries. So socialized education is doing exceedingly well in other countries which would suggest socialized education isn't the issue, but our government and how it is run is. There's no need to cherry pick. I'm not here to defend a position. And I'm not here to be right.

Quote:And the US such a safe place at night eh?


Europe has a problem with immigration, but that doesn't mean lessons can't be learned in health, education etc

Wait, what? We are the great and all knowing US except everyone complains about our government, how it is run, our terrible school systems and insanely expensive health care along with infrastucture we can't pay for, debt we continue to accumulate, jobs we continue to lose, shrinking middle class and the ever increasing gap between the rich and everyone else. Nah, we got it all figured out. Are we really trying to put down other countries?

Quote:Yes especially at the federal level. Education and welfare can work as socialist programs but on smaller scales which is why it should be distributed and maintained at the state level. Medicare and social security should be abolished as they are not sustainable socialist programs at any level. What's the difference two programs (welfare and education) provide temporary assistance for a duration the other two (Medicare and social security) require more payers and less beneficiary's to support payments made for an unspecified duration.

I'm a fan of doing things at the State level, but just depends on what it is and the pro's and con's.


Social security could have worked. "The payroll tax hike of 1983 generated a total of $2.7 trillion in surplus Social Security revenue. This surplus revenue was supposed to be saved and invested in marketable U.S. Treasury bonds that would be held in the trust fund until the baby boomers began to retire in about 2010. But not one dime of that money went to Social Security." - See more at: <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.fedsmith.com/2013/10/11/ronald-reagan-and-the-great-social-security-heist/#sthash.4bFnukgj.dpuf.'>http://www.fedsmith.com/2013/10/11/ronald-reagan-and-the-great-social-security-heist/#sthash.4bFnukgj.dpuf.</a>


Now I haven't researched enough to hear the counter argument to this article, but interest to get your thoughts on it.

Quote:I wouldn't say it has failed, but it certainly isn't up to snuff when compared to other countries. So socialized education is doing exceedingly well in other countries which would suggest socialized education isn't the issue, but our government and how it is run is. There's no need to cherry pick. I'm not here to defend a position. And I'm not here to be right.

Yeah it is strange that people are so angry and disillusioned with the state of the US, but their answer is to be a more extreme version of today rather than follow countries with a better living standards for the average person...

I love how people say that Donald Trump can't beat Hilary Clinton when she had a hard time beating a Communist Independent that switched solely to get media attention for his so called 'Democracy Socialism' (i.e. USSR A).

Many that support Bernie Sanders had no idea what socialism even meant or what Bernie had truly planned to do with policies.

 

Uneducated voters are scary.

Quote:I love how people say that Donald Trump can't beat Hilary Clinton when she had a hard time beating a Communist Independent that switched solely to get media attention for his so called 'Democracy Socialism' (i.e. USSR A).

Many that support Bernie Sanders had no idea what socialism even meant or what Bernie had truly planned to do with policies.

 

Uneducated voters are scary.

 

You really don't know the difference between a Socialist and a Communist do you?

Quote:You really don't know the difference between a Socialist and a Communist do you?

Communist - tyrant by gun

Socialist - tyrant by vote

Quote:Communist - tyrant by gun

Socialist - tyrant by vote

 

I don't think you know what Socialism is either.  This doesn't surprise me though.  (Hint: Socialism is not a form of government)  You probably also don't know what a Tyrant is.

Quote:I don't think you know what Socialism is either.  This doesn't surprise me though.  (Hint: Socialism is not a form of government)  You probably also don't know what a Tyrant is.

 

Yeah, we just don't understand how wonderful it is and this time it really will work, pinky swear!

 

Boy if this isn't still true...

 

Quote:I love how people say that Donald Trump can't beat Hilary Clinton when she had a hard time beating a Communist Independent that switched solely to get media attention for his so called 'Democracy Socialism' (i.e. US<del>SR</del> A).

Many that support Bernie Sanders had no idea what socialism even meant or what Bernie had truly planned to do with policies.


Uneducated voters are scary.

I believe he can definitely beat Hillary. Simply because he is unorthodox and because this year, predictions have meant diddily squat.

Quote:Yeah, we just don't understand how wonderful it is and this time it really will work, pinky swear!


Boy if this isn't still true...

Aspects of socialism are working all over the world. Universal Healthcare has shown to work significantly better than our approach by many other countries. I'm not sure how what you said makes any sense unless I'm completely misunderstanding it. Our Government and police force is known to abuse their powers and overpolice. Look at NSA. We hold more people in prison than anyone else. We have 5% of the entire population and 25% of the world's prison population. What's even scarier is those numbers are up from the past even though crime is down.


Says inspectors, but they look like police. Some similarities.

Quote:I'm a fan of doing things at the State level, but just depends on what it is and the pro's and con's.


Social security could have worked. "The payroll tax hike of 1983 generated a total of $2.7 trillion in surplus Social Security revenue. This surplus revenue was supposed to be saved and invested in marketable U.S. Treasury bonds that would be held in the trust fund until the baby boomers began to retire in about 2010. But not one dime of that money went to Social Security." - See more at: <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.fedsmith.com/2013/10/11/ronald-reagan-and-the-great-social-security-heist/#sthash.4bFnukgj.dpuf.'>http://www.fedsmith.com/2013/10/11/ronald-reagan-and-the-great-social-security-heist/#sthash.4bFnukgj.dpuf.</a>


Now I haven't researched enough to hear the counter argument to this article, but interest to get your thoughts on it.

 

So government raised taxes and then proceeded to waste all of the money, prime example of why I'm always against giving government more money. We don't have a revenue problem we have a budget problem at the federal level.

 

The payroll tax hike in 1983 wouldn't have been a permanent solution to the Social Security deficit even if they would have kept the 2.7 trillion in treasury bonds.  The entire problem with social security is when they developed the plan they didn't ever expect the amount of beneficiaries to out weigh the amount of payers. The social security beneficiaries are not just retired individuals it also all the people on disability.

 

https://www.ssa.gov/news/press/basicfact.html 

 

when you get close to a 2-1 ratio of payers and beneficiaries one of two things happens, there's not enough funding to sustain the payments or the burned is increased on the payers. it's not a sustainable program regardless of what we do at this point, it has to be abandoned and the sooner the better. They can do something like continuing payments for people within 10 years of collecting or already collecting, then phase it out for everyone else 11 years out or more. They should return all payments collected from people that are not going to receive any benefits and make those returns non-taxable. As for disability that's not the governments responsibility, there's disability insurance if a worker really wants to be covered for that.