Quote:Hargreaves is a better defensive back and football player. The film does not lie. Ramsey is a better athlete.
Hargreaves might be the better pure man cover and ball hawk but no way in hell is he the better football player. I've seen Hargreaves routinely avoid tackles and let guys blow him up, way more than I've seen Ramsey blown up (only once or twice). I'll take Ramsey's elite measurables and baseline skillset (which is still pretty good) over Hargreaves. At the end of the day I would bet on both becoming elite, shutdown corners Ramsey is just a better fit for us, more versatile, and has higher upside.
Quote:Hargreaves is a better defensive back and football player. The film does not lie. Ramsey is a better athlete.
no one asked for a comparison stop pushing this weak [BLEEP] agenda no one cares lol
"Lets discuss why Jalen might be gone by our pick"
"Vernon is better! Jalen is just an athlete!"
Man go take a nap
Quote:stanley isnt close to ramsey jack or bosa, id say its a reach. And why are you assuming they would trade?
Lack of a premium position to take at 3 if they don't want Stanley (doubt it). Stanley for his position is plenty close to Bosa and as far as the other guys who cares, they play positions that are not as high of a premium. Stanley has prototypical size, strength, and technique for the position. He may not be quite as athletic as Tunsil but it doesn't matter that much, he is not that far behind Tunsil from a prospect perspective. Bosa is not the best fit for the Chargers' 3-4. You might call it a reach but so was taking Bortles. So is Wentz going 2 and Goff going 4. The positions of pass rusher, QB, and OT are premiums and their stock is inflated in the draft every year because of it.
Quote:I've already gone over this adnauseum. Ramsey is not going top 4. In the last 17 years the highest a DB has gone is at 5. I don't see Ramsey bucking that trend. Two tackles and two QBs, or two QBs and Bosa going in the top 4 is far more likely than Ramsey going in the top 4. Those positions just take precedence over CB and especially S. Teams already knew Ramsey was going to blow up the combine, that was never in doubt. The questions with Ramsey are ones that will only be answered once he's in the league and that combined with the position hierarchy rank in the first place will push him pass pick 4. To put it another way, the NFL's question of his position and his lack of TOs alone is something that would drop him, the fact CB's have not broken the ceiling of 5 since 1998 is just icing on the cake.
Exactly. That is why he falls to the Jags at #5. That is about the right spot for him. Shouldn't go any higher due to his position, shouldn't go much lower due to his skill and freakish abilities, and lines up with our needs.
I'm not saying I personally think he is the BEST pick for us, and will be lights out, but I think that is where he lands given all the other factors pointed out by Vino.
Quote:Lack of a premium position to take at 3 if they don't want Stanley (doubt it). Stanley for his position is plenty close to Bosa and as far as the other guys who cares, they play positions that are not as high of a premium. Stanley has prototypical size, strength, and technique for the position. He may not be quite as athletic as Tunsil but it doesn't matter that much, he is not that far behind Tunsil from a prospect perspective. Bosa is not the best fit for the Chargers' 3-4. You might call it a reach but so was taking Bortles. So is Wentz going 2 and Goff going 4. The positions of pass rusher, QB, and OT are premiums and their stock is inflated in the draft every year because of it.
i wouldnt say stanley is close to bosa but it doesnt really matter cause like you said scheme fit throws that off a bit. Still dont really think its all that clear cut, its not hard to think they can disregard premium position and go BPA.
I think someone will trade to the 3rd spot to get Ramsey. He was a monster today, no way he falls to us. If he did I would take him. I'm still happy with Bosa or Jack.
Quote:i wouldnt say stanley is close to bosa but it doesnt really matter cause like you said scheme fit throws that off a bit. Still dont really think its all that clear cut, its not hard to think they can disregard premium position and go BPA.
Hasn't happened in 17 years.
You guys are putting way too much stock in the combine. Teams already knew Ramsey was an elite athlete. Everything he did today he already did 4 years ago.
Hang on, no one really thinks LT is a more premium position than FS in today's NFL right? That needs to be cleared up first.
Someone like Sean Taylor made highlight plays for the Hurricanes. This guy doesn't even do anything
spectacular on the football field.
Quote:Hang on, no one really thinks LT is a more premium position than FS in today's NFL right? That needs to be cleared up first.
So you're saying the guy who protects the QB's blindside is less important than a position that is not involved in the game on a play by play basis half the time??
Quote:Hang on, no one really thinks LT is a more premium position than FS in today's NFL right? That needs to be cleared up first.
lol, you are the only one who thinks this. How mamy FS has been taken in the top 10 to LT. You want to protect your franchise qb which is much more important than a FS. I know you think you do but you dont know more than all the other GMs over the last decade
I have to agree that an Elite LT will always be taken over a safety; if the teams' needs are there. If a team has a stud LT, then I could see a safety being taken over one. It's all about team needs and position value. However, regarding this year's draft, I don't see a team needing a LT taking Ramsey over the highly touted LT.
Notta neva.....
GO JAGS!!
Quote:Hang on, no one really thinks LT is a more premium position than FS in today's NFL right? That needs to be cleared up first.
Yeah for sure. That's why Panthers lost the Super Bowl - shoddy FS play.
Quote:Hang on, no one really thinks LT is a more premium position than FS in today's NFL right? That needs to be cleared up first.
So the guy who protects the franchise's most important player isn't a more premium position than FS in your eyes?
You're trying a little too hard to be "that guy."
Hmmm.
Sprinter and long jumper performs well in sprinting and long jumping...
Was anyone really surprised?
Quote:So you're saying the guy who protects the QB's blindside is less important than a position that is not involved in the game on a play by play basis half the time??
Yep, it's been true for a while now but it's finally being accepted as pretty common knowledge.
Quote:Hang on, no one really thinks LT is a more premium position than FS in today's NFL right? That needs to be cleared up first.
Sometimes I think people give you too much grief on this board. Then you say things like this and it reminds me of how pompous you are and why nobody likes you.
I still think it's 50-50 he is our pick. It will depend on how Stanley looks at his personal workouts. Left tackle is still more critical than free safety and the Chargers need one. However, if the Chargers or Cowboys do take Ramsay I'd gladly settle for Karl Joseph in the 2nd round. He should be on the board due to his inability to participate in the combine despite what Mayock says about him. In the unlikely case that he is also gone the Jaguars will have to consider Darian Thompson. They saw a lot of him Senior Bowl week and he may even be higher on their board than Joseph.
Jack or Bosa in the 1st and Joseph in the 2nd would be very strong. I have a hunch there will also be much talk about Buckner in the first. He isn't an explosive edge rusher, but that doesn't mean Caldwell won't love his versatility. This is the reason I am never upset when the Jaguars lose meaningless games at the end of the season. If they had only one or two more wins none of us would even be talking about having the opportunity to draft an elite player. Jack, Ramsay, Bosa and possibly Buckner all have that much potential.