Quote:Everyone is going to assume Ramsey is playing safety in the nfl?
Quote:Hang on, no one really thinks LT is a more premium position than FS in today's NFL right? That needs to be cleared up first.!!!
Quote:Hang on, no one really thinks LT is a more premium position than FS in today's NFL right? That needs to be cleared up first.
Quote:4. DAL - DE Bosa (they are a mess at DE, and that will override any smaller need in the secondary, Bosa still #1 on many boards)Dallas needs Romo's replacement which could shake things up
Quote:Although the analysis of LTs have changed due to the proliferation of quick passes/bubble screens and the spread offenses, I strongly disagree with your conclusions here.
LT just isn't nearly as important now for many reasons. Mostly because pass rushes are far more exotic. Stud LT vs stud pass rusher all game just doesn't happen anymore. To lesser but still important degrees, QBs release times are way down and they are also more mobile in general across the board than in the past. RT is pretty much just as important as LT now, and interior oline has never been more important.
Quote:Although the analysis of LTs have changed due to the proliferation of quick passes/bubble screens and the spread offenses, I strongly disagree with your conclusions here.I'm not going to do the amount of research it would take to seriously refute this, but I watched a lot of Bruce Smith and Reggie White and I didn't remember them moving much at all. In the two fairly brief videos I found (they could be extremely coincidental, so I'm not saying it's ironclad), but Reggie White posted up at LE every single snap and a video of the career high 19 sacks in Bruce Smith's 1990 season 18 of them came at RE and ony 1 at LE. Based on my memory and the 15 minutes of cutups I will link below they were both exceedingly stationary compared to how pass rushers are used today. Lawrence Taylor was a LB so I'm not really sure he counts. You might be right about Charles Haley, I didn't watch a whole lot of him growing up and I didn't find any good cutups of his to watch either. If you are right about Haley then it was a significantly unique situation. I think my point stands.
First off, teams have been moving around their dominant pass rushers at least since the 1980s. The Giants rushed Lawrence Taylor from the left, right and middle on occasion. Buffalo did the same thing with Bruce Smith, the Eagles did the same with Reggie White, and Dallas did the same with Charles Haley. But even with that, teams still drafted LTs highly then.
Quote:I'm not going to do the amount of research it would take to seriously refute this, but I watched a lot of Bruce Smith and Reggie White and I didn't remember them moving much at all. In the two fairly brief videos I found (they could be seriously cherry picked, so I'm not saying it's ironclad), but Reggie White posted up at LE every single snap and a video of the career high 19 sacks in Bruce Smith's 1990 season 18 of them came at RE and ony 1 at LE. Based on my memory and the 15 minutes of cutups I will link below they were both exceedingly stationary compared to how pass rushers are used today. Lawrence Taylor was a LB so I'm not really sure he counts. You might be right about Charles Haley, I didn't watch a whole lot of him growing up and I didn't find any good cutups of his to watch either. If you are right about Haley then it was a significantly unique situation. I think my point stands.Point of clarification is needed from me. I did not mean to suggest those teams FREQUENTLY moved those players around. As you pointed out, the bulk of their snaps took place at their home positions (i.e. Reggie White at LDE, Bruce Smith at RDE). My intent was to show that the concept of moving the best pass rusher around was not unheard of at that time. It was not my intent to suggest a high level of frequency on that point. Actually, a better example than all of those I mentioned would be Howie Long. But here is a clip of Bruce Smith rushing from LDE. https://youtu.be/tuYxVgghk-k?t=1m54s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZitnUJziLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtMYS6xlaRk
And yes multiple LT will always be drafted in the 1st round every...along with pretty much every position outside of running back and interior oline. As I showed in the other post, the results of those recent LT draft picks show that they were most likely not the right picks.
Quote:I'm not going to do thgomount of research it would take to seriously refute this, but I watched a lot of Bruce Smith and Reggie White and I didn't remember them moving much at all. In the two fairly brief videos I found (they could be extremely coincidental, so I'm not saying it's ironclad), but Reggie White posted up at LE every single snap and a video of the career high 19 sacks in Bruce Smith's 1990 season 18 of them came at RE and ony 1 at LE. Based on my memory and the 15 minutes of cutups I will link below they were both exceedingly stationary compared to how pass rushers are used today. Lawrence Taylor was a LB so I'm not really sure he counts. You might be right about Charles Haley, I didn't watch a whole lot of him growing up and I didn't find any good cutups of his to watch either. If you are right about Haley then it was a significantly unique situation. I think my point stands.they werent the right picks because the players turned out to not be very good. Its just as hard or harder to find a good LT than it is FS which is just another reason teams take them early to try and get the cream of the crop. You are the only one who believes this except from the guy who told you this on twitter and of course you start believing it. You are wrong again as usual. You dont know more than everyone on this board and every GM over the last decade. Its clear you just read something on twitter and they have you believeing it. You need to lay off twitter for a little bit lol. I think it would help
And yes multiple LT will always be drafted in the 1st round every...along with pretty much every position outside of running back and interior oline. As I showed in the other post, the results of those recent LT draft picks show that they were most likely not the right picks.
Quote:As to your closing point, a drafted tackle proving to be a failure or bust is not the same as saying teams don't value LT as much as they did in the past. It means the teams missed on the players in question. Huge difference.Even the ones that were hits didn't make the team get better. For the most part the best left tackles in the league play on bad teams, while the best safties in the league play on teams that went deep into the playoffs. Could it be a major coincidence...possibly but doubtful.
Quote:they werent the right picks because the players turned out to not be very good. Its just as hard or harder to find a good LT than it is FS which is just another reason teams take them early to try and get the cream of the crop. You are the only one who believes this except from the guy who told you this on twitter and of course you start believing it. You are wrong again as usual. You dont know more than everyone on this board and every GM over the last decade. Its clear you just read something on twitter and they have you believeing it. You need to lay off twitter for a little bit lol. I think it would helpI'll bet the front offices for the big market, big payroll teams like the Cubs, Mets, Dodgers, etc sounded a whole lot like this while the A's and Rays were outperforming them year after year despite being dwarfed in payroll. Just keep digging those heels in the dirt.
Quote:Now are we talking winninh a superbowl or just in general. Most teams that win superbowls have multiple pass rushers. Pass rushers have always been the key to success.
I feel like you are kond of making my point. A dominant LT removes the best pass rusher which then allows you to double or chip or good players on the defensive front. A good FS can cover a lot of ground but I in my life have never seen a FS who can play like that out side of Ed Reed. He was a special player. Now if you can get me an Ed Reed id agree with you all day. But what other FS has played the game that can cover sidelines to sideline, los to pylon (literally lol)? I have never seen one that good before him or after him.
And again if that FS has no rush in front of him he wont dictate anything but getting bombed up after being on the field for so long. You cant consistently chase guys for 6-7 seconds every play. Fatigue will set in. Von Miller hell Chandler Jones will dictate what you offense can do. And tell that short pass game stuff to Cam and Brady lol.
If you have guys that can get to the qb fast your corners can play tight and up close. You can sit on routes and jump everything cause you know the ball is coming out quick. A FS with no rush in feont of him does not make this happen. A FS with rush in front of him gives the CB more confidence to jump routes because they know everything deep is covered up.
Quote:Well, I view it differently.Yeah we just view it differently.
By the defense flipping their DE to the opposite side, your dominant LT is now facing a DE that a good LT can block one-on-one. Meanwhile, you'll still need to account for the superstar DE because he's now matched up with your RT (which finding a RT who is a great pass blocker is tough). So as you said, you chip. Which means you're accounting him with two guys.
Now, if you have an above average to good LT going against a premier rusher? Well, you give him help and chip. If he flips to the right side, you give him help and chip. So either way, you're giving him help most of the time.
Like I said, the only time, IMO that a great LT will really see his full value shine is if the opposing team have two very good rushers that you'll have to help on both sides. In this instance, it will allow you to help only on one side and allow your elite LT to go one-on-one.
As for the FS, I already stated that scheme very much dictates the value of this position. For most teams running Cover 2/4 variations, obviously I wouldn't think they value it that high. But for a team like us running 3/1 even zero (might be wrong but I seem to recall the Seahawks going Cover 0 when they really wanted to be aggressive in their "prime sb years). And I don't think there's any question that pass rushers is high on the list, higher than both tackles/safety/corner (I already mentioned this on my previous post, but we're not debating pass rushers vs. safety anyway)
And as far as your "tell that to Brady and Newton", you seem to have missed my point about the Broncos being a perfect storm of pass rushers (from just about every front four position), rangy linebackers, and physical but fast corners (thus eliminating the quick passing game)
Tell that to Brady and Newton? Tell that to every single defense that those two shredded not named the Broncos. That Denver D were/are the exception to the rule...not the rule.
Quote:LT is still more of a premium position over all, but priority of need and scheme tilt things the other way for the Jags currently.
It's not about one position being more important than the other.
It's that we have a decent player (three bad games last season) at LT, and nothing at the other (zero good games last season.)
LT can wait a year , but FS needs to be fixed yesterday.
One should also consider scheme, and Bradley's is fairly safety-centric compared to some others.
Quote:8 of the top 10 PFF safeties made the playoffs this year, including both super bowl teams. Only two top 10 PFF LTs made the playoffs this year (Whitworth and Trent Williams did), and they were both first round exits. Bakhtiari probably would have made 3 if he didn't get hurt, but still the point is clear. You are going to win a whole lot more games with Earl Thomas with Joe Thomas.This is exactly what I have been thinking. It used to be OL's were the safest picks. Now we have been fewer QB's that are bust than LT's. This is even given the fact that most teams reach to draft a QB. The Browns will probably draft a QB at #2 that isn't even rated in the top 10. I have the Bortles rated about 8-9 but the Jags took him #3. However he is definitely not a bust. Will he be great or elite, only time will tell. Now look at Luke Jockel taken the previous season at #2. Right now he is a bust. At best he might be good or above average but currently he is not even that. Eric Fisher taken ahead of Jockel is almost as bad. in the last 3-4 years who are the QB busts taken in the first round, Johnny Football and RGIII and RBIII had a great rookie year. After that most of the other QB's have turned out okay or better.
LT just isn't nearly as important now for many reasons. Mostly because pass rushes are far more exotic. Stud LT vs stud pass rusher all game just doesn't happen anymore. To lesser but still important degrees, QBs release times are way down and they are also more mobile in general across the board than in the past. RT is pretty much just as important as LT now, and interior oline has never been more important.