Best Trump debate by far. Ted had the biggest lie of the night commenting on his donors. Ted has more wall street donors and super pac money than anyone on that stage,yet says he is running on small campaign contributions. Absolutely hogwash.
Quote:Best Trump debate by far. Ted had the biggest lie of the night commenting on his donors. Ted has more wall street donors and super pac money than anyone on that stage,yet says he is running on small campaign contributions. Absolutely hogwash.
None of this was talked about before Don came on board. He is their worst nightmare.
Wasn't trump a Ted donor? Obviously he approves of Ted?
Yes he gave Ted Cruz $5,000 dollars according to Ted Cruz, and Donald Trump & Ted Cruz both have said that they like each other several times in several debates...
but politics get nasty...
and Donald didn't really change his mind until the Iowa Caucasus debacle where Ted's people claimed Dr. Ben Carson had dropped out of the race and encouraged they vote for him instead, which Ted Cruz claims was a mistake made based upon some CNN quick blurb (which they fixed rather quickly, yet didn't stop Ted Cruz people for doing it hours after, even after CNN had said it was a mistake on air and online). Ted Cruz also says that Donald Trump was only upset because he had lost Iowa, and thus realized Ted Cruz was his biggest competition (which very well could be true too).
Quote:Best Trump debate by far. Ted had the biggest lie of the night commenting on his donors. Ted has more wall street donors and super pac money than anyone on that stage,yet says he is running on small campaign contributions. Absolutely hogwash.
I think Dr. Ben Carson made Donald Trump promise not to hit them and act presidential in order to gain his support tomorrow.
Quote:Cruz just hit my opposition to Trump on the head, he just wants "smarter" people in government, I want less government.
Cruz waa contextually innaccurate.
Quote:Ok Trump supporters, ponder this, According to what Trump JUST said his policy is going to be to threaten China with a tarriff and if they don't do what he want's he will TAX all imported good from China. Then assuming the competition here in the United States will build factories and sell products domestically because it'll be cheaper than importing china made goods. But think about it it will be cheaper than adding whatever tax he levy's against China imported goods. Either way the price of goods is guaranteed to go up unless he convinces China to do whatever he wants. What I'm hearing is another reason for more government, higher taxes and an increase in the cost of goods?
Uh no thanks..........
We get taxed to the hilt for operating in their markets they dont get taxed for operating in ours. That cant be allowed to happen. If your trade partner is ripping you odd you cant allow it.
And they wouldnt be able to pass the entire expense to the consumer because they have to compete against products we make here.
Quote:Was currency manipulation even a topic before Trump entered?
No. Trump defined this race. Cruz still hasnt addressed chinas underhanded behavior.
Quote:Trump is not a "moderate." He's running as an extreme populist. I see him as a sociopath, i.e. anything he can get away with is acceptable if it's to his benefit. He's another Hillary Clinton without the baggage.
And Reagan was never called a moderate. Not even close. Bush 41 was the moderate in the 1980 Republican primaries, and Republican Anderson ran as a 3rd party moderate candidate to opposed Reagan, who was frequently called a right wing extremist by the opposition, including Bush 41 and Anderson, as well as Carter and the mainstream media (which even then was pretty far left, and was the only media around in those days).
In his second term reagan bailed out social security raised taxes signed amnesty and appointed the deciding pro choice vote and the guy who authored the decision in favor of gay marriage.
Quote:He can go win the simple people's votes, let the professionals try and implement the policy, then he can blame them when he can't deliver what he's claimed.
Lol, you misspelled O-b-a-m-a.
Quote:We get taxed to the hilt for operating in their markets they dont get taxed for operating in ours. That cant be allowed to happen. If your trade partner is ripping you odd you cant allow it.
And they wouldnt be able to pass the entire expense to the consumer because they have to compete against products we make here.
No they don't go to Walmart flip over any item and try to find something made here. Even in your ideal situation where all the sudden we start manufacturing widgets here it'll take at least a few years to get the plants built, the EPA approvals, the manufacturing up and running and the product to market. It's the consumers that pay the price. and again why is it we should advocate using government to increase cost of imported goods instead of getting government the hell out of the private sector and making domestic goods cheaper to produce.
Quote:No they don't go to Walmart flip over any item and try to find something made here. Even in your ideal situation where all the sudden we start manufacturing widgets here it'll take at least a few years to get the plants built, the EPA approvals, the manufacturing up and running and the product to market. It's the consumers that pay the price. and again why is it we should advocate using government to increase cost of imported goods instead of getting government the hell out of the private sector and making domestic goods cheaper to produce.
Higher consumer prices are the cost of higher wages. Either we pay what it takes to get manufacturing back onshore or we continue to leak jobs and create a permanently unemployed class. Man can't live on the service industry alone.
Quote:Higher consumer prices are the cost of higher wages. Either we pay what it takes to get manufacturing back onshore or we continue to leak jobs and create a permanently unemployed class. Man can't live on the service industry alone.
When you factor in the high regulatory cost, the union cost, and the cost of living here, it will never be cost effective to manufacture 90% off products here. If anything you'll have a system of robots manufacturing products here with minimal employees. Why are we advocating using government to increase cost of goods to make a more fair market!? Has conservatism lost its mind?????
Quote:No they don't go to Walmart flip over any item and try to find something made here. Even in your ideal situation where all the sudden we start manufacturing widgets here it'll take at least a few years to get the plants built, the EPA approvals, the manufacturing up and running and the product to market. It's the consumers that pay the price. and again why is it we should advocate using government to increase cost of imported goods instead of getting government the hell out of the private sector and making domestic goods cheaper to produce.
They won't have to flip it over it will be naturally reflected in the price some of their Ultra protectionist policies should we don't have to implement a terror and you don't have to worry about the EPA since Donald Trump already said he's going to eliminate it
Quote:When you factor in the high regulatory cost, the union cost, and the cost of living here, it will never be cost effective to manufacture 90% off products here. If anything you'll have a system of robots manufacturing products here with minimal employees. Why are we advocating using government to increase cost of goods to make a more fair market!? Has conservatism lost its mind?????
Because, again, the free market cannot compete with a rigged market. You cannot, ever, no matter what you do, drive your own expenses lower than a country that uses slave labor. The ONLY method to bring them into line is to artificially inflate their products in your market so that your people buy your products and keep your country financially healthy. Because let's face it, the Free [BLEEP] Army ain't gonna buy American just to be patriotic.
So where does it stop, do we tax all imported goods so domestic manufacturing is competitive? Made in Mexico, Korea, Japan or just China?
This illustrates the problem, when you use government to influence markets regardless of the reason being justafiable or not you only complicate the problem. Instead of eliminating our governments interference in the form of regulation, union laws, and EPA regulations were just going to tax imported goods so it's fair.
That's no different then welfare distribution using government to solve market distribution is NEVER the solution.
Whatever hopefully it's just bluster and he's smart enough to know the economy can't handle more taxes in any form.
Quote:So where does it stop, do we tax all imported goods so domestic manufacturing is competitive? Made in Mexico, Korea, Japan or just China?
This illustrates the problem, when you js government to influence markets regardless of the reason being justafiable or not you only complicate the problem. Instead of eliminating our governments interference in the form of regulation, union laws, and EPA regulations were just going to tax imported goods so it's fair.
That's no different then welfare distribution using government to solve market distribution is NEVER the solution.
Whatever hopefully it's just bluster and he's smart enough to know the economy can't handle more taxes in any form.
Yes, the government protects the American market, that is one of the things it's there for and Madison et al knew it. I'm not advocating all of the other tacked on internal stuff like the EPA and such, and collective bargaining in the private sector is a right. What must happen is for some form of gatekeeping to our market to protect the quality of our lifestyle.
What you advocate is a race to the bottom, suffering an adversary's unfair advantage with no means to retaliate except to join him in his nefarious behavior.
Quote:In his second term reagan bailed out social security raised taxes signed amnesty and appointed the deciding pro choice vote and the guy who authored the decision in favor of gay marriage.
The original discussion was about Reagan bringing in Dem voters. What counts in that context is the campaign rhetoric, not what happened after he was elected, and especially not what happened in the second term. Reagan ran his campaign as a very strong conservative, so conservative that it spawned a moderate Republican opponent running as an independent to save the country from the "extremist."
Quote:Yes, the government protects the American market, that is one of the things it's there for and Madison et al knew it. I'm not advocating all of the other tacked on internal stuff like the EPA and such, and collective bargaining in the private sector is a right. What must happen is for some form of gatekeeping to our market to protect the quality of our lifestyle.
What you advocate is a race to the bottom, suffering an adversary's unfair advantage with no means to retaliate except to join him in his nefarious behavior.
I think the idea is to threaten to shut down the US market for Chinese goods unless China agrees to stop blocking and taxing US imports. China has a lot more to lose in a trade war than we do, and would have to open their markets to a fair trade with US goods. It's very unlikely it would come down to a tax on consumers, and if so it would only be for a short time, China would fold quickly. I can put off buying a Chinese-made toaster for a few months.
There are a lot of things I find disagreeable about Trump's policies, but pushing for fair trade isn't one of them. If this is Trump's plan, I'm fine with it. I prefer the Fair Tax method of dealing with this problem, but that's not going to happen.
Quote:Yes, the government protects the American market, that is one of the things it's there for and Madison et al knew it. I'm not advocating all of the other tacked on internal stuff like the EPA and such, and collective bargaining in the private sector is a right. What must happen is for some form of gatekeeping to our market to protect the quality of our lifestyle.
What you advocate is a race to the bottom, suffering an adversary's unfair advantage with no means to retaliate except to join him in his nefarious behavior.
No I'm advocating we clean up our problems here and let China be China. So what if 100% of the manufacturing went to China we'd be fine, it's an industry that is being overran with more advanced robotics, the need for even human labor is minimal and only going to decrease over time. I'm not for taxing consumers to try and curve the behavior of foreign government. This isn't about protecting our quality of life, it's about making it fair for domestic manufactures to compete with foreign manufactures.