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We cant unilaterally surrender all the means of production to a foreign nation.

Quote:No I'm advocating we clean up our problems here and let China be China. So what if 100% of the manufacturing went to China we'd be fine, it's an industry that is being overran with more advanced robotics, the need for even human labor is minimal and only going to decrease over time. I'm not for taxing consumers to try and curve the behavior of foreign government. This isn't about protecting our quality of life, it's about making it fair for domestic manufactures to compete with foreign manufactures. 

 

That's not possible when the other guy isn't playing by your notion of "Fair." 

And you have to have a job to buy consumer goods

Quote:That's not possible when the other guy isn't playing by your notion of "Fair."

What China does is irrelevant. If we simply focused on lowering the highest corporate tax rate in the world, rolled back the over regulation and dismantled the unions there wouldn't be a job shortage issue.


Manufacturing going somewhere else with low overhead is natural, the American welfare recipients have a higher living standard than most of the world so it's cheaper to pay poor countries to maas produce products. Advocating taxing the consumer as punishment is ludicrious.

Quote:And you have to have a job to buy consumer goods

Not in manufacturing you don't. Your advocating government levying taxes I'm always agaiant that

Quote:What China does is irrelevant. If we simply focused on lowering the highest corporate tax rate in the world, rolled back the over regulation and dismantled the unions there wouldn't be a job shortage issue.


Manufacturing going somewhere else with low overhead is natural, the American welfare recipients have a higher living standard than most of the world so it's cheaper to pay poor countries to maas produce products. Advocating taxing the consumer as punishment is ludicrious.

Its not just lower overhead. Theyre blockong off billions of consumers with their own protectionist policies. As their population climbs further into the middle class companies will naturally relocate to have access to their markets even if u have tax and regulatory parody.

Quote:Its not just lower overhead. Theyre blockong off billions of consumers with their own protectionist policies. As their population climbs further into the middle class companies will naturally relocate to have access to their markets even if u have tax and regulatory parody.

 

They're population isn't climbing into middle class. The communist state will always have a perpetual underclass it requires a large underclass to function by nature. Taxing our citizen isn't going to change anything in China and is only redistributing money from the working class to the business class, republicans are supposed to be against redistribution. If we really wanted to deal with China and their currency manipulation we would just ban imports from China, but since they buy our debt and we spend like drunken sailors that's not an option. But saying we have to tax imports from ___ country so that products made domestically are competitive is using the federal government to equalize what the free market is supposed to decide. You want domestic manufacturing we have to deal with the unions, regulations, and over taxation not add on additional taxes.

So the threat of a ban is superior to the threat of a tariff because #reasons. The point is to curtail their behavior. And in theory ur right. Communist countries generally have a permanent underclass. If that underclass produces all the tangible goods for the globe that underclass will stil represent a signifigant consumer base.

Quote:So the threat of a ban is superior to the threat of a tariff because #reasons. The point is to curtail their behavior. And in theory ur right. Communist countries generally have a permanent underclass. If that underclass produces all the tangible goods for the globe that underclass will stil represent a signifigant consumer base.

Yes if China is so horrible and we all the sudden have found a reason to be upset about stop them from importing here period. Instead we want to go half way and raise taxes, those taxes are not going to harm China theyre not paying them we are. Unless your arguing to raise the taxes to the point the price is beyond the markets ability to pay, which in that case why the hell would we let them import goods in the first place? And it's ridiculous to think private enterprise is going to undercut prices when government is creating higher prices. Just look at healthcare the moment you introduce government oversight on anything the price always skyrockets.

The point is to offset the fraudulent competative price advantage. We can disadree about the tactic but the point is to block or tariff the imports of a country that treats us unfairly.

Quote:Yes if China is so horrible and we all the sudden have found a reason to be upset about stop them from importing here period. Instead we want to go half way and raise taxes, those taxes are not going to harm China theyre not paying them we are. Unless your arguing to raise the taxes to the point the price is beyond the markets ability to pay, which in that case why the hell would we let them import goods in the first place? And it's ridiculous to think private enterprise is going to undercut prices when government is creating higher prices. Just look at healthcare the moment you introduce government oversight on anything the price always skyrockets.

 

it has nothing to do with them being horrible and everything to do with making them play on a level playing field. Tariffs are not taxes in the usual sense, they're the cover charge they should have to pay to gain access to our market. Yes, prices go up, but that is the cost of protecting your own populace.