Quote:He could've intervened at any time. He is being a good owner in that he hires the President & probably had influence over the GM and then lets them do their jobs but at any time he could suggest that something get done (and it will).
Yeah, never mind. You win.
Quote:Are ya really sure?
I'll make a sig bet with anyone on here that Gus doesn't get resigned with 9 wins unless he wins a playoff game.
I'd bet every dollar Ive ever worked for that he doesn't get a new contract w 8 wins.
Lol I'll take that bet
Quote:Lol I'll take that bet
Bet. If Gus wins 8 games or less and gets resigned, or if Gus wins 9 games AND a playoff game and gets resigned, my sig is yours to create. If Gus gets fired, or wins more than 9 games, I get to make yours. Got it.
If the Jags 2016 season is relatively normal, when comparing it to the typical NFL team season, I think Gus Bradley will probably get at least a 1 year contract extension if the Jags win 8 or more games. With a losing season though under the parameter I mentioned, I don't think Gus Bradley will be the Jags HC for the 2017 season.
Quote:It's not really about wins for me. For instance, if the defense and run games improve, but Bortles gets injured for a lot of the year (God forbid) I wouldn't expect to see more than about 6 wins but I'd still want to keep the coach.
You're not being honest with yourself then. For Bradley next year, it is all about wins.
Quote:Seeing as Shad has been ok with a losing record for 3 straight years. Im sure Shad would be content with 8-9 wins this extending Gus
Sure. Why not? 8 wins would mean a non-losing record for the first time in a long time. Besides, have you seen the schedule? It's packed with top teams.
I don't see gus making it through the entire season. His track record of preparing this team is obvious. He'll start 0-4 or 1-5, then be fired. Olsen will be interim. Then 2017 all new staff again.
I don't think making the playoff's is a realistic expectation for judging Gus, given the utterly abysmel talent on our defense. Oh certainly it's possible we could 'back' into a play off spot... but I would'nt expect it. I think a more realistic goal would be for us to see the Jags achieve at least a .500 season, to see them go at least 8-8 in 2016. That type of record would've got us in the play off's this season, but I'll be surprised if it did in 2016. Still... 8-8 would represent a pretty substantial leap from the 3-13, 4-12, and 5-11 records we've seen since Gus has been here.
Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly no Gus apologist; I'm of the opinion that Gus should've been shown the door at the end of this season, but that point is mute now. What I do think is that there is no point in having an unrealistic goal in mind; all it does is set you up for disappointment.
IF... we can get back our injured players in 100% ready to play condition, and...
IF... we can get some high quality up grades to key positions on our defense, and...
IF... we are fortunate enough to see Fowler live up to realistic expectations for his draft level, and ...
IF... we can do something to improve the left side of our offensive line, and ...
IF... we have a better defensive coordinator, then ...
MAYBE... we have a chance to reach at least a .500 season. If after four full season of drafting and f/a with Gus at the helm, if we can't reach at least a .500 record... or if it becomes obvious by mid season that we're on our way to another losing season, then in my opinion Gus should be fired immediately and an interim coach can fill in while the search is on. Seriously, I think that there should probably already be a search on and maybe a few telephone conversations taking place with potential candidates.
It is disappointing that the odds are that we'll probably be continuing to ride the HC merry-go-round yet again at the end of this coming season. I guess it's fair to say that finding a good NFL HC is at least as hard as finding the elusive franchise quarterback.
4 Years is enough for anyone to get a team to the playoffs. The only reason 8-8 or 7-9 would seem like progress is because the team did not make enough progress the last 2 years with 3-13 and 5-11 records. So yes it is playoffs are see what team needs a DC in 2017 for Gus.
It's playoffs or bust for sure.
Even Khan said it himself that he expects Gus to have a career year in 2016. I believe a 9-7 or 10-6 record without a playoff berth means the Jags will be looking for a new coach for 2017.
If Gus does happen to make the playoffs, I don't expect anything more than a one or two year contract extension.
Quote:Gus is almost certainly gone after next years brutal schedule. I'm just hoping that it isn't going to be as ugly as I think its gonna be.
The team will be built to hang with anyone. The offense will have the confidence. The defense will finally have the pieces. This is the whole point of going through this process.
I think .500 or better keeps the HC around regardless of a playoff berth.
Those clamoring about the 2016 schedule should consider what your thoughts in August were about teams like:
Carolina, Arizona, Baltimore, Indy, NYJ, SF, NO, and KC.
None of those teams really did what they were "supposed to" according to most popular opinion.
2016 - like every season - will be the same. A few of those teams that look daunting now won't be when we face them while others will be tougher than anticipated. That list of teams means little right now, IMO.
No offense, but this idea that the talent on the defense is so terrible is kinda dumb...
You guys are acting as though the jaguars drafted and signed players from the school of the deaf, dumb, and blind.
In fact, the team has drafted players just like every other team. It's not like we were given 'd' or 'f' grades for the 2013, 2014, and 2015 drafts. And the guys we got in free agency, while not all pros were for the most part ok players at the least.
But from how some of you guys talk, out defensive players were acquired from the coma ward of Our Lady of the Worthless Miracle Hospital.
What are we? The Jacksonville Parapalygics?
Quote:8-8/9-7 or below and no playoffs = no extension.
10-6/11-5 or above and no playoffs = probable extension.
Playoffs no matter the record = extension
This sounds about right
Quote:No offense, but this idea that the talent on the defense is so terrible is kinda dumb...
You guys are acting as though the jaguars drafted and signed players from the school of the deaf, dumb, and blind.
In fact, the team has drafted players just like every other team. It's not like we were given 'd' or 'f' grades for the 2013, 2014, and 2015 drafts. And the guys we got in free agency, while not all pros were for the most part ok players at the least.
But from how some of you guys talk, out defensive players were acquired from the coma ward of Our Lady of the Worthless Miracle Hospital.
What are we? The Jacksonville Parapalygics?
I'm not one of the posters you're referring to, but there have always been glaring holes on this defense, IMO. They've been different from year to year with a few exceptions -- but they've been real.
- We've never had two quality starting outside corners simultaneously unless you count a few games with Ball/McCray before the latter fell off of a cliff.
- We've had about 17 different "starters" at OLB over three seasons. (at least we have one of them now - the other is still a patch)
- We have yet to see a FS of any ability to play single-high cross the chalk in Jacksonville during the Caldwell/Bradley era.
- Edge pass rush has been a total patch-job outside of drafting a guy who's yet to play a snap.
It's VERY possible all four of these are addressed in this offseason and this defense makes a significant jump forward. Just my opinion.
Now - do I think more may have been accomplished with the guys we fielded? Yes. I do. Especially when it comes to sloppy play, repeated mistakes from week to week and dumb, unforced errors. These guys could have been coached to play with more discipline IMO. While I don't share your opinions on Bradley in general - I do feel strongly about this. ^
I voted no and as Caldwell stated in his interview, there could be a lot of hypothetical scenarios that play into it. Like he said in his press conference, lets say Blake went down the last game of the season and we lose the game finish 9-7 but miss the playoffs, does that mean we pull the cord and gut the roster and coaching staff? No. Its a extreme scenario but its true, I dont think its necessarily "playoffs or bust" or putting a number on the season next year. Gus does not need to win 10-11 games to keep his job, but he does need significant improvement.
For Gus to get a new contract, the team has to significantly improve. Meaning, we win a lot more games than we lose. The team has got to show that it truly is here to contend. The team cant be 4-12, 5-11 or 6-10 etc. He's got to have the team winning football games and contending for the playoffs.
The team essentially has to be in the playoffs, thats what winning games does. But its not like Dave sat down with with Bradley wand was like, "okay, if you dont get 10 wins and be in the second round of the playoffs and win the division your out Bradley!" Does not work that way, there could be extreme circumstances that hinder the team from making the playoffs, something coaching has no control over, like injuries.
Its going to be the eye test, is the team actually getting better? Are they winning games early on? Are they competing for the playoffs? Is the win to loss ratio better? We could win 9 games and i could see Bradley remain a Jag. I do think his seat is very warm and he does have big expectations from the front office and owner next season, he does have to win, he does have to get to the playoffs, but its not so black and white. Its not playoffs or bust, or win 10 to 11 games or your out. Its not going to work that way.
Quote:I don't see gus making it through the entire season. His track record of preparing this team is obvious. He'll start 0-4 or 1-5, then be fired. Olsen will be interim. Then 2017 all new staff again.
Sadly, I could see this happening.
I'm not so sure there is a specific number of wins required for Gus to stay. Mr Khan has never said anything other than he's"looking for improvement"... Mr Khan did say there is a "higher expectation" this year, but I don't think he means playoffs or pack your bags...,
Quote:I'm not one of the posters you're referring to, but there have always been glaring holes on this defense, IMO. They've been different from year to year with a few exceptions -- but they've been real.
- We've never had two quality starting outside corners simultaneously unless you count a few games with Ball/McCray before the latter fell off of a cliff.
- We've had about 17 different "starters" at OLB over three seasons. (at least we have one of them now - the other is still a patch)
- We have yet to see a FS of any ability to play single-high cross the chalk in Jacksonville during the Caldwell/Bradley era.
- Edge pass rush has been a total patch-job outside of drafting a guy who's yet to play a snap.
It's VERY possible all four of these are addressed in this offseason and this defense makes a significant jump forward. Just my opinion.
Now - do I think more may have been accomplished with the guys we fielded? Yes. I do. Especially when it comes to sloppy play, repeated mistakes from week to week and dumb, unforced errors. These guys could have coached to play with more discipline IMO. While I don't share your opinions on Bradley in general - I do feel strongly about this. ^
Your final paragraph is the basis of what I'm trying to say. I've said before that we have some glaring weaknesses on our d. There's no denying that.
I just think some folks set the bar too low. While we have holes, we also have some talent out there too. I just think we could have had a better output by that side of the field.
As far as 2016, I see this season as similar as 2015. Based on the talent and how the season plays out, I think a specific goal should be to win the division. I think that because we were so close to winning the division in 2015, it's reasonable to demand that type of production in 2016.