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<p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(59,59,59);">If he’s as highly regarded as Marcus Mariota was coming out of OR then he has to be in play at 4, especially with Tom Coughlin at the helm. To me, Watson is a similar prospect to Mariota, an athletic guy that processes information fast and delivers an accurate ball with a tight compressed throwing motion, he reportedly aced his combine interviews and has a ridiculously high football IQ, a Peyton Manning-esque football IQ.

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<p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(59,59,59);">This should come as no surprise to most who’ve watched him dissect Alamba’s elite pass defense in consecutive years on the biggest stage in college sports, there has been a ridiculous amount of positive buzz surrounding Watson after the combine and at this point he’s destined for a top 10 selection. While I’d never advocate selecting a player based off what they’d do for the this team off the field, one can’t deny the impact Watson would have in terms of rejuvenating this fan base, while bringing some national attention to the scene as well, both are a positive.

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<p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(59,59,59);">Imo, Watson is as good as a prospect as Marcus Mariota was coming out of OR, and he’s certainly a better prospect than Prescott was coming out of Miss ST, I have to believe the Jaguars have legitimate interest in a guy like Watson who posses’s a high floor and ceiling. If you take a look at what we did in free agency, and try to predict what we’re going to do in the draft, you can probably rule out defensive back, outside of a tradeback you can rule out OL, and Lat Murray's interest tells me they're not considering a RB in that spot either, so that leaves DL, TE, QB. It’s certainly possible they take Allen or Thomas if they’re available, it’s also possible we take a guy like OJ Howard, but I think a dark horse is a QB, and imo Watson is the best in this class.

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<p style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(59,59,59);">Doug Farrar (a guy with connections) wrote this piece on Watson after the combine, its a good read

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If he has such a "Peyton Manning-esque football IQ" then why all the INTs?

Quote:If he has such a "Peyton Manning-esque football IQ" then why all the INTs?

 

You know Matt Ryan threw a lot of interceptions his final year at Boston College, Jameis Winston threw a lot of int's at Fl St, sometimes int's don't tell the entire story. This guy is immensely skilled and can clearly read defenses, I'm not saying it's not an issue, I just don't know how big of an issue it is for teams considering him.

Quote:You know Matt Ryan threw a lot of interceptions his final year at Boston College, Jameis Winston threw a lot of int's at Fl St, sometimes int's don't tell the entire story. This guy is immensely skilled and can clearly read defenses, I'm not saying it's not an issue, I just don't know how big of an issue it is for teams considering him.

I understand that but I would not compare Ryan nor Winston to Peyton Manning in terms of football IQ either. Manning is the smartest QB to ever play the game and Watson is not even in the same world in terms of IQ.


I do think Watson is a talented QB who can have success in the league in the right place but there's also questions about his arm strength in addition to the interceptions. Too much of a risk for us at 4 IMO.

If anyone is the dark horse its OJ Howard

Quote:I understand that but I would not compare Ryan nor Winston to Peyton Manning in terms of football IQ either. Manning is the smartest QB to ever play the game and Watson is not even in the same world in terms of IQ.


I do think Watson is a talented QB who can have success in the league in the right place but there's also questions about his arm strength in addition to the interceptions. Too much of a risk for us at 4 IMO.

 

Where I was getting at is it's possible for QB's to struggle with int's in college, and clean it up (Matt Ryan) in the pros, that was my point, I understand what you're saying though. I'm not saying I advocate, I just wouldn't be overly surprised considering who's in charge, and the fact that you can (almost) rule out defensive back, RB, WR, OL, and LB (maybe they'll consider a guy like Rueben Foster) it's obvious (at least to me) that outside of a trade-back, we'll be selecting either a DL, or TE, with the dark horse being QB

 

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Haha, anything is possible but I don't see it. Barnett has a nice floor but doesn't have the same upside as a guy like Solomon Thomas, or Jonathan Allen. I believe one of those two will be available at 4, I see Barnett going in the 20's

There's a possibility that Garrett, Allen & Thomas all go in that order on draft night. Really leaving only a handful of very productive pass rushers in this class coming out of a big school program. Barnett could be nasty off the edge for this team when paired up next to Jackson or Campbell. 

Quote:There's a possibility that Garrett, Allen & Thomas all go in that order on draft night. Really leaving only a handful of very productive pass rushers in this class coming out of a big school program. Barnett could be nasty off the edge for this team when paired up next to Jackson or Campbell. 

 

Yea you're right, I just prefer to take physical freaks in that spot, we can agree that Barnett isn't a physical freak. But in your scenario that would make things interesting for the Jags, I have to think the phones would be ringing off the hook for a potential tradeback, from a team looking to move up ahead of the QB needy Jets to secure a QB, your scenario is actually good for the Jags

Quote:Haha, anything is possible but I don't see it. Barnett has a nice floor but doesn't have the same upside as a guy like Solomon Thomas, or Jonathan Allen. I believe one of those two will be available at 4, I see Barnett going in the 20's

 

 

I could easily see Barnett going to the Bengals at #9. They need a DE opposite Carlos Dunlap. 

Quote:Yea you're right, I just prefer to take physical freaks in that spot, we can agree that Barnett isn't a physical freak. But in your scenario that would make things interesting for the Jags, I have to think the phones would be ringing off the hook for a potential tradeback, from a team looking to move up ahead of the QB needy Jets to secure a QB, your scenario is actually good for the Jags

 

We took a physical freak in Fowler Jr. in 2015. In fairness, he was injured that year but sometimes being a freak athlete can lead to freak injuries. Barnett has been a handful over the last three years. He may not be the biggest or fastest defensive end of this class but he has the production that matches up with what most guys his size and athletic ability should be capable of reproducing at the next level. 

Quote:I could easily see Barnett going to the Bengals at #9. They need a DE opposite Carlos Dunlap. 

 

You can't rule anything out, so yea i theoretically I can see any team doing a number of different things, especially in this draft. Although I think the Bengals might also consider an OL in that spot considering they just lost their LT and RG

Quote:We took a physical freak in Fowler Jr. in 2015. In fairness, he was injured that year but sometimes being a freak athlete can lead to freak injuries. Barnett has been a handful over the last three years. He may not be the biggest or fastest defensive end of this class but he has the production that matches up with what most guys his size and athletic ability should be capable of reproducing at the next level. 

 

The thing about Fowler is he's not a physical freak, yea he's big an ran well but he disappointed in the most important drills for a edge rusher. 3 cone, vertical, and the broad jump, Fowler isn't overly explosive and doesn't bend well.

No way we take Watson at 4, that's crazy talk. He's too inconsistent  with his accuracy.  He does not compare to Mariota, I haven't seen any serious evaluator online make that comparison. He's more like Robert Griffin, inconsistent accuracy, inconsistent decision making, good running ability but lack of bulk, and he already has knee injuries. I think he's better than rg3, and has a chance to develop mostly cause he doesn't seem like a self absorbed fool, but the thought of us taking Watson at 4 is laughable. I wouldn't take him in round 1 but I am sure someone will.

Quote:We took a physical freak in Fowler Jr. in 2015. 

No, no we didn't. We passed on the freaks like Beasley, Dupree, or hell even Frank Clark who would have been in the mix that high if not for off field issues. 

 

How, in the year 2017, do people still believe this myth. Mystifying. 

Quote:The thing about Fowler is he's not a physical freak, yea he's big an ran well but he disappointed in the most important drills for a edge rusher. 3 cone, vertical, and the broad jump, Fowler isn't overly explosive and doesn't bend well.

He's not even big at all. That's why people are trying to put him at OLB, but yikes trying to put that lack of athleticism in space. 

Quote:No way we take Watson at 4, that's crazy talk. He's too inconsistent  with his accuracy.  He does not compare to Mariota, I haven't seen any serious evaluator online make that comparison. He's more like Robert Griffin, inconsistent accuracy, inconsistent decision making, good running ability but lack of bulk, and he already has knee injuries. I think he's better than rg3, and has a chance to develop mostly cause he doesn't seem like a self absorbed fool, but the thought of us taking Watson at 4 is laughable. I wouldn't take him in round 1 but I am sure someone will.

 

Agree to disagree, I think he's more similar to Mariota/Prescott than he is to RGIII. If Dak Prescott can come into the league and set it a fire early in his career I don't see why Watson can't do the same, as he's is a superior prospect. Speaking of Prescott, if we redrafted the 2016 draft how high would he'd go? He'd be a shoe-in top 5 pick, I think we're going to seep some major surprises on draft night and have a feeling Watson will be at the center of one of those surprises.

Quote:Agree to disagree, I think he's more similar to Mariota/Prescott than he is to RGIII. If Dak Prescott can come into the league and set it a fire early in his career I don't see why Watson can't do the same, as he's is a superior prospect. Speaking of Prescott, if we redrafted the 2016 draft how high would he'd go? He'd be a shoe-in top 5 pick, I think we're going to seep some major surprises on draft night and have a feeling Watson will be at the center of one of those surprises.

Too early to tell with Dak. Robert Griffin lit the nfl on fire too, so did Kaep, so did Vince Young. One year and No playoff wins is too soon to crown him anything. He plays behind the best o-line with a top grade running game. Mariota has more to look at, he should be great. There's a lot of swing with where experts say Watson should/will go. Some are saying he is a 3rd round talent, some say he goes in the top 10.  On a good day, like the national championship, he is every bit as good as Mariota, but it's not like that all the time. He has some of the more difficult throws down like that sick back shoulder fade, but othertimes it looks like he cant hit the side of a barn on a slant route. He's an enigma in a draft where there are a lot of almost sure things available at 4. 

Quote:Haha, anything is possible but I don't see it. Barnett has a nice floor but doesn't have the same upside as a guy like Solomon Thomas, or Jonathan Allen. I believe one of those two will be available at 4, I see Barnett going in the 20's

Agree on Thomas, disagree on Allen. I think he has NO upside. He is what he is, I don't see him improving much. He's already polished with good technique. Athletically he is subpar.