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I'd love to see Chase Daniel come in. I think he'd be a terrific backup and an ok-enough starter if we lost Blake for a couple of games.
That said, if we lose Blake for more than a game or two, we're screwed regardless. He's the centerpiece of this offense, with a rare blend of mobility and arm strength. Daniel lacks arm strength, but he can move in the pocket. Henne isn't much for rolling out, but he's got a gun. There aren't a lot of QBs with Bortles' skill set out there, and there's typically a term for those who do have it: starter.
We could do better than Henne, sure, and I suspect Dave will make some phone calls before deciding what to do with Henne's job. If all else is equal, though, including price tag, I think he'd be more inclined to stick with Henne, who knows the system inside out, rather than spending big for a guy who might offer a little more physically, but is far from a sure thing to become as comfortable with the offense and as good a sounding board for Bortles as Henne is.
Quote:A total of 52 different QBs started games in 2015. 15 different teams started multiple QBs this year for one reason or another. Let that sink in. These numbers make it sound like your complaining just to complain, or you just don't have a grasp as to the importance of competent backup QB play. On top of that, Henne is a free agent so it's not as if we're talking about cutting a guy under contract. And lastly, as I mentioned in the OP, Gus is coaching for his life this year. You don't think he and the staff think the backup QB spot is important? Good grief indeed.
Did I say anything about the
number of QBs that played? My statement was that if a starting QB goes down, you're in trouble anyway.
Let that sink in.
It sounds like your posting just to post.
Good grief.
Quote:A total of 52 different QBs started games in 2015. 15 different teams started multiple QBs this year for one reason or another. Let that sink in. These numbers make it sound like your complaining just to complain, or you just don't have a grasp as to the importance of competent backup QB play. On top of that, Henne is a free agent so it's not as if we're talking about cutting a guy under contract. And lastly, as I mentioned in the OP, Gus is coaching for his life this year. You don't think he and the staff think the backup QB spot is important? Good grief indeed.
Well said, especially the part about him being a free agent. It's not like we're saying to cut the guy. We're just saying, you gotta sign somebody, and there are certainly better options out there to sign. Why re-sign Henne over other qbs who give you a better chance to win?
Quote:My statement was that if a starting QB goes down, you're in trouble anyway.
So somehow this justifies re-signing him. You know we're in trouble with Henne, and yeah you're probably in trouble with someone else, but why not look to find someone who would minimize that trouble as much as possible? Again, it's not like Henne is actually signed to next year's roster.
Currently Bortles is the only roster signed for next year. We're going to have to sign a backup. Why not look for the best possible backup?
Quote:So somehow this justifies re-signing him. You know we're in trouble with Henne, and yeah you're probably in trouble with someone else, but why not look to find someone who would minimize that trouble as much as possible? Again, it's not like Henne is actually signed to next year's roster.
Currently Bortles is the only roster signed for next year. We're going to have to sign a backup. Why not look for the best possible backup?
It's not justification of re-signing him. It's simply a statement of fact.
The justification for bringing Henne back is tied to his history with this organization, and with this particular coaching staff and roster. If there's a true upgrade to be had, I'm sure they'll look, but I don't think the team is uncomfortable in any way, shape, or form with bringing Henne back as Bortles backup.
Quote:So somehow this justifies re-signing him. You know we're in trouble with Henne, and yeah you're probably in trouble with someone else, but why not look to find someone who would minimize that trouble as much as possible? Again, it's not like Henne is actually signed to next year's roster.
Currently Bortles is the only roster signed for next year. We're going to have to sign a backup. Why not look for the best possible backup?
Who's to say they don't think he's the best available?
Who signed him to an extension in the first place? They're still here.
Quote:Well said, especially the part about him being a free agent. It's not like we're saying to cut the guy. We're just saying, you gotta sign somebody, and there are certainly better options out there to sign. Why re-sign Henne over other qbs who give you a better chance to win?
And once again, who said that they think someone else will 'give them a better chance'?
Quote:Who's to say they don't think he's the best available?
Who signed him to an extension in the first place? They're still here.
Quote:And once again, who said that they think someone else will 'give them a better chance'?
There are better options out there, and I give Dave at least some credit for being a competent GM meaning he surely realizes as much.
Wow...it's the backup QB...who cares? Totally replaceable. If we can find somebody at the same level (which we should be able to do) and is cheaper (most backups would be), then sign him. If not, re-sign Henne....Either way, don't really care.
Quote:Wow...it's the backup QB...who cares? Totally replaceable. If we can find somebody at the same level (which we should be able to do) and is cheaper (most backups would be), then sign him. If not, re-sign Henne....Either way, don't really care.
You must have overlooked the post about how nearly have the league had to use multiple qbs this past season. Besides, if Blake does go down, suddenly there's a whole lot of people who care.
It doesn't matter because Henne is replaceable. It's not like he's the best backup in the league.
Quote:There are better options out there, and I give Dave at least some credit for being a competent GM meaning he surely realizes as much.
So since he's already signed him to one extension I guess he must be incompetent then....right?
So... back ups... who have been career back ups... are going to be better than the back up we currently have, who has starting experience, a good rapport with this team and coaching staff....
The thinking behind this stems from a overall dislike of Henne. Now that it is clear Gus is going no where. There has to be a new target.
That target is Henne.
Anyone who thinks Chase Daniel is better than Henne is being silly. Daniel hasn't proven to be better than anyone.
QBs are available because they aren't good enough to start.
One back up is as good as another, especially on a team like ours.
Without Bortles in the line up, it won't matter if it is Henne or anyone else.
But continue the beating of this particular drum...
I'm sure this thread will have the results you guys want...
like the fire Gus threads.
Quote:Only a mental midget would consider Mike Vick or RGIII an upgrade BTW.
Easy there, tiger. The last memories we have of Henne playing aren't good and finding his good performances amongst the sea of bad is a challenge in and of itself. Remember virtually the entire stadium was chanting for Bortles when Henne struggled at the beginning of last season, as he did the year before. If the QB play wasn't atrocious I don't think that would have happened so quickly. Who knows? Maybe he's gotten better since we last saw him in regular season action.
I'm not championing the cause of bringing in either guy you mentioned, but I would still consider either of them just as I would consider re-signing Henne. Vick is old and inconsistent and RGIII seems to have fallen off a cliff, but we're holding them up to Henne, not Bortles. And both QBs have played at a higher level at times than Henne has ever shown he could. It may be clear for Caldwell on what to do since Henne has been in the building for 4 years, but we're not operating with the same info he is. I would also say that Blake's mobility and ability to buy extra time has helped him tremendously behind the lackluster line we have. Henne hasn't shown he has that ability, but RGIII and Vick might bring more of that to the table. The question is, is Vick too old and did RGIII's injury take too much of what made him good away and/or is he still a head case? He's been served a big ol' piece of humble pie and to his credit we haven't really heard a peep out of him.
Maybe Caldwell has a plan he's confident that will vastly improve the Oline this offseason and if that happens Henne could have some success if called upon. I'm ok with that, but it's not mental midgetry to do your due diligence and at least consider all options. I also like the idea of drafting a guy to be the backup and developing him, but I can't see Gus liking that too much without someone more experienced being the #2.
Quote:Vick sucks compared to just about any QB in the league at this point, including Henne.
Henne doesnt even compare to Vick .. He doesnt have the mobility,arm strength nor accuaracy... Sry ... Vicks not great but hes middle of the road and far better then Henne.
Quote:So since he's already signed him to one extension I guess he must be incompetent then....right?
The circumstances were different when Henne was extended. We didn't have any idea who we had in Blake so having someone with knowledge of the current system was imperative, and moreover the free agent field was nowhere near as attractive as it currently is.
Quote:Blasephemy. Duuuhhhhhh? Yeah, a great career has a whole hell of a lot to do with last year.
Tom Landry had a great career as a head coach. Let's hire him. Oh wait, he's dead....but he did have a great career.
last year what did Henne do? Nothing !! Vick lets not forget just got signed in July...Why i am i wasting my time u idiots blind and ignorant ... Im still laughing at the idea that Henne is better then Vick.
Quote:last year what did Henne do? Nothing !! Vick lets not forget just got signed in July...Why i am i wasting my time u idiots blind and ignorant ... Im still laughing at the idea that Henne is better then Vick.
You should totally run an NFL franchise...
Quote:I'd love to see Chase Daniel come in. I think he'd be a terrific backup and an ok-enough starter if we lost Blake for a couple of games.
I don't know. Chase is 6'0". Guys that height that play well enough are the exception not the rule. A game or two? Yeah maybe. 4 or more? No way. He had success this year in two games for KC where they play Andy Reid's west coast offense. I think he's a good backup in that system. I don't think he would be able to take advantage of Robinson's ability to win the 50/50 balls downfield though. We'd have to run a completely different offense if he came in as the backup here.
Quote:You should totally run an NFL franchise...
I agree and i would hire you as my coach!
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