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Here's the official details as of right now. Here's my problem the first action regarding the business of selling a firearm. There is no definition of who is in the business of dealing firearms, so now I have to wonder if I sell one or two of my firearms to purchase a different firearm of being labeled as a dealer. The license for a firearm dealer is incredibly difficult and expensive. It's a very small step now to eliminating all private sales and purchasing of firearms. This is incredibly dangerous.


The rest is just more spending on research and hiring more enforcement.


All that's left is a national registry

The background checks are going to deem you mentally ill if one time your Doctor prescribed you Xanax or something.

 

If the government deems you "mentally ill" (a subjective concept)... no guns. Keep in mind that some of these people think you're mentally ill if you believe in God. It just gives the Feds more control on who is and isn't qualified to have guns, which is all they want.

 

There used to be a thing known as doctor-patient privelege.  Not anymore. They are now going to overrule that and have doctors reporting information to the FBI.

No. This is not ok. Executive orders do not exist to circumvent Congress, and certainly not on Constitutionally questionable policy decisions. This is borderline criminal on Obama's part, and regardless of what I think of the policy itself, I hope this is promptly hammered in the courts and puts an end to the recent trend of Presidents, particularly Obama and Bush, abusing executive orders when they know they won't get their way in Congress.

The action will only put more guns in homes.  But in politics, it's more profitable (in the form of votes) to posture in the name of "doing something," even when that something has the opposite of the intended effect.  Yet another example of claiming "victory" when the truth says otherwise.  The only real winners here are the manufacturers.  And, yet another chance to falsely pander to those already in pocket, who are more than willing to lap anything up and claim a win.  Winning is what the manufacturers are doing right now.  It's been that way more and more with each successive threat.

Only outlaws will be gun dealers?

For reference:


fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/every-presidents-executive-actions-in-one-chart/


I think these things get blown out of context when in truth, the number of times executive orders are given has been in a progressive decline over the years.


Obama and W both have issued fewer than any president since McKinley.

Quote:For reference:


fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/every-presidents-executive-actions-in-one-chart/


I think these things get blown out of context when in truth, the number of times executive orders are given has been in a progressive decline over the years.


Obama and W both have issued fewer than any president since McKinley.

More about what they have used them for. This is clear example of Obama using them to get around the legislative branch and even the constitution.

Considering the sitting Congress during his entire tenure has been focused on undermining his every move and essentially being the least helpful/productive Congress any sitting president has ever had, you'd think he would have used it more.

Quote:Considering the sitting Congress during his entire tenure has been focused on undermining his every move and essentially being the least helpful/productive Congress any sitting president has ever had, you'd think he would have used it more.

Check and balance they weren't elected to help Obama's transformation along, they where elected on campaigns and with direct instructions to do everything possible to stop Obama's transformation. They failed on healthcare but have at least held the line on gun control. That's the way our system works.

Moreover, our system is designed so that any action taken by the federal government should represent the signifigant will of the people within the framework of the consitution. The idea thay the congress has a responsibility to a fringe minority that has failed to gain electoral representation just to support the presidents agenda is asinine.


If he wanted to pass a law he should have convinced the people of the country and thus their representatives that these measures would sofnifigantly reduce violence while preserving the second amendment. Instead we have the emperor writing edicts on his own with the gaul to blame his own lack of leadership for congress not goong along with him. Because we all know john boegner and mitch mcconnel were the champions of hard right conservatism.

If your talking significant will of the people, 80-90% of Americans are in favor of stricter gun laws.

Quote:If your talking significant will of the people, 80-90% of Americans are in favor of stricter gun laws.

 

is that a CNN poll?

Doing nothing has worked out well so far (unless you're a victim or family member of someone killed in a shooting). Fear mongering about Obama "taking away guns" has meant record profits for gun makers.

Quote:If your talking significant will of the people, 80-90% of Americans are in favor of stricter gun laws.

You got a source for that number?

Quote:Doing nothing has worked out well so far (unless you're a victim or family member of someone killed in a shooting). Fear mongering about Obama "taking away guns" has meant record profits for gun makers.

Actually the 2nd amendment has worked exactally as intended, name any other country in the history of the world that has never been overtaken by a foriegn nation and not subject to a dictator in its history.

Quote:Doing nothing has worked out well so far (unless you're a victim or family member of someone killed in a shooting). Fear mongering about Obama "taking away guns" has meant record profits for gun makers.

 

And then when another shooting occurs after this? Then what? Well, lets increase restrictions even more. This process will be repeated until there is a full gun ban similar to European countries.

I have one thing to say to Obama

 

 

Molon Labe

Quote:I have one thing to say to Obama

 

 

Molon Labe

 

Make no mistake, the day is coming when police will knock on your door and confiscate your weapons. You can comply or go to jail. To make this happen they need to national gun registry first.

Quote:Actually the 2nd amendment has worked exactally as intended, name any other country in the history of the world that has never been overtaken by a foriegn nation and not subject to a dictator in its history.

 

England?

 

Canada?

 

South Africa?

Quote:Considering the sitting Congress during his entire tenure has been focused on undermining his every move and essentially being the least helpful/productive Congress any sitting president has ever had, you'd think he would have used it more.

Executive orders don't exist to ensure a President gets his way. They're designed--actually, they're not designed at all, more on that later--to facilitate the operations of the government itself rather than putting minute policies through Congress. The way Obama and Bush used them patently violated that ages-old understanding, and probably the Constitution itself.

 

Although it's hard to violate the Constitution when it doesn't specify anything, right? The concept of an "executive order" is not presented anywhere in the Constitution, and it's instead a slight override of the checks and balances system allowed by all parties as an administrative function. There's a pretty wide gulf between issuing an executive order that allows an office within the executive branch to add funding for a special project and issuing one that is Constitutionally questionable because the President knows it would never make it through Congress. The first check and balance on Presidential decisions is Congress. By removing that hurdle, he's taken his only check and balance to the court system, which could take years to push this through. During that time, the Second Amendment rights of Americans are being infringed upon.

 

IMO, what Obama did is nothing short of illegal. I agree with the sentiment behind it, maybe even the actions the order puts forward, but giving the President the ability to run roughshod over the Constitution when he doesn't feel like waiting for Congress to do its thing is an extremely dangerous precedent to set.