Quote:One just because someone sees value in the defensive backs at the top of the draft does not mean we are opposed to upgrading the pass rush.
As far as Buckner is concerned I wouldn't be completely opposed to taking him but you have to understand the track record of 300 pounders being true impact players against the pass is very rare.
He looks very quick and nimble for his size. Worst case you have him play as the 3 tech DT to help generate interior pass rush.
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He only weighs 2 more lbs than Watt (288)
Watt is a singularity. Reggie Williams was the size of calvin johnson etc.
We were told that leonard williams was jj watt. Go look at his season.
Further when you look at suh sapp henderson stroud you see that even very good or elite dts dont have the same production as edge players.
The primary characteristic of our secondary is not lack of a free safety, it's chronic confusion. Busted coverages every single game.
Maybe it's the players, maybe it's the coaches. I just think we have far bigger issues in our secondary than lack of a true free safety.
Quote:The primary characteristic of our secondary is not lack of a free safety, it's chronic confusion. Busted coverages every single game.
Maybe it's the players, maybe it's the coaches. I just think we have far bigger issues in our secondary than lack of a true free safety.
FS, a good FS at least, is the QB of the secondary.
Quote:I don't want Ramsey at CB either. I think he could be a great safety in the NFL, but I want nothing to do with him at CB.
If we're going to go for a CB, it's Hargreaves.
Hargreaves is to small to play corner in this defense.
Quote:Hargreaves is to small to play corner in this defense.
His size makes me think he ends up a Nickel eventually. He's much more slender than I realized.
The michigan game didnt help either.
Quote:The michigan game didnt help either.
I think his body of work is better than just the last game, but his actual body might be a limiting factor to what he can be on the field.
To your point michigans guy was 6 3. Vernon couldnt compete for the ball. He got torched against lsu as well. Im a florida fan and i like him but i can see a lot of risk.
Quote:Watt is a singularity. Reggie Williams was the size of calvin johnson etc.
We were told that leonard williams was jj watt. Go look at his season.
I don't know who said that. Williams was touted as having natural ability for a DL, but it's not like he blew everyone away at his combine like Watt did. The only DL I ever recall having a combine quite like JJ Watt's was Julius Peppers. Such freaks of nature only come along once a decade.
Quote:I don't know who said that. Williams was touted as having natural ability for a DL, but it's not like he blew everyone away at his combine like Watt did. The only DL I ever recall having a combine quite like JJ Watt's was Julius Peppers. Such freaks of nature only come along once a decade.
Mike Mamula comes to mind.
The Jags don't need a great FS to play great defense, who's the Broncos FS? What we need is impact edge rushers (at least 2), more speed at the Mike linebacker and Otto position, another CB that can effectively play press man (Trumaine Johnson fits this description), and competent play at the FS position.
Quote:While a safety doesn't have the same impact as a QB, I agree with him.
Put it this way, there are more teams in the NFL that have found Franchise QBs than there are ones who have found top level safeties.
as someone said earlier the good prototype FS often gets moved to corner (sometimes by choice for the money).
Quote:The Jags don't need a great FS to play great defense, who's the Broncos FS? What we need is impact edge rushers (at least 2), more speed at the Mike linebacker and Otto position, another CB that can effectively play press man (Trumaine Johnson fits this description), and competent play at the FS position.
Fowler returning provides the Jaguars with one edge rusher. We can use one more for depth behind him. On the other side, whoever they get at the OTTO spot should be able to provide some edge pressure. What don't need to get "at least 2" more edge rushers ("want" is a different story, as like CB you can never have too many good edge rushers). Fowler is an impact edge rusher, and there's no reason to think he won't be. In the three LEO package, we'd have Fowler, his backup LEO we do need to add, and Ryan Davis.
If you're talking about Odrick's DE spot, there's nothing wrong with him. He held his edge against the run effectively and led the Jaguars DLs in sacks.
I was happy to hear DC acknowledge that Sample is more a strong safety, similar to Cyprien. Following the draft, I seem to remember they were spoon feeding us that Sample would be a good transition to a free safety.
I think they liked picking up House, a low-mileage veteran in the secondary this year, It would not surprise me to see DC find a similar free safety, if he is not able to garner one of the top big safety names in free agency. As mentioned by an earlier post, the FS is often the captain of the secondary, making the calls. A veteran back there would be preferred in my mind, rather than a rookie.
Quote:Fowler returning provides the Jaguars with one edge rusher. We can use one more for depth behind him.
We hope, but can't count on that. We surely need more depth, and someone not on the roster now who is capable of starting at LEO.
We need to acquire a starting LEO as if Fowler won't be available again. That takes the pressure off him, and the risk off the Jaguars. We can't afford to bank on an unproven player coming back from injury to play like a superstar.
Quote:All this talk about Ramsey or Hargreaves to help our secondary. I don't understand the logic in that. Football starts in the trenches. It's all about the front four. At one point Aaron Colvin, a CB, was leading this team in sacks or very well could have finished up the year as our leading sacker. THAT's a problem. I don't care how gifted or fast Ramsey or Hargreaves may be. Bottom line, allowing the opposing QB to have 6 - 8 seconds is too long at this level, coverage will breakdown and guys will get open. So I don't see the point in investing in the secondary until that's been addressed first or fixed. If Caldwell banks a few DE's or DPR's through Free Agency prior to the draft. Okay, sure, knock yourself out. But I'd feel more comfortable with a guy like Bosa or Buckner on the line teaming up with HOPEFULLY a fully rested and ready to go Fowler and Marks next year on the front four. I just think we spend an awful amount of time knocking guys like Cyprien, Brown and House when in reality, they get next to nothing in consistency from their big guys up front.
You nailed it. You can't count on Fowler helping at all (I wasn't sold on him before his injury, but I digress). We need a pass rush, and should not be putting all of our eggs in the Fowler egg basket. Drafting in the top 5 for anything else would be disappointing to the nth degree.
Quote:You nailed it. You can't count on Fowler helping at all (I wasn't sold on him before his injury, but I digress). We need a pass rush, and should not be putting all of our eggs in the Fowler egg basket. Drafting in the top 5 for anything else would be disappointing to the nth degree.
I don't think anybody disagrees about needing more pass rush. The main point is, show me where there's a pass rusher worth the 5th overall pick? If Bosa is there, he's a no brainer pick. Pass Rusher is weak at the top of this draft though. There's some big bodies on the DL we could go after (not worth 5th overall though), but there's literally no "edge rushers" at the top of this draft.