Quote:No, they make a pass if it's there because someone got open, they're not the one making the play. That's what game managers are and what game managers do, they win if the team around them is good enough to carry them without them ever having to make a tough throw. If they could be the playmaker they wouldn't be called a game manager.
Youre really just describing a bad quarterback, not a good game manager.
How many of you would take Eli over Bortles? Look at the numbers, they're the same guy. Eli's 10th year in the league he threw 27!!! INTs.
But he was able to win 2 super bowls with a good coach who now is running out front office. Gus was a trainwreck on the development of everybody. Bortles deserves the BOTD for one more season.
Quote:The very definition of a game manager is someone who is able to keep the offense "ticking over" enough so that it keeps the team in the game and doesn't end drives with silly mistakes or turnovers.
The very definition of a game manager is someone that doesn't take chances and doesn't make the plays that a franchise level passer would.
The problem here is you seem to be assigning credit to the game managing QB that actually belongs to the team around him. That's wrong, the game manager QB does not make plays to keep drives alive, other players make plays to keep the drive alive, and the game manager QB doesn't make turnovers trying to force passes he's not good enough to make.
Quote:Like I said, in 2016 I don't remember a lot of dropped INTs for Bortles, so if some web site did the work and you can find the link I'd give it a look, but by my memory it was the case that when guys got their hands on his passes they usually held on.
Well for example do you remember the Broncos game? Bortles could have thrown 6 or 7 picks that day. Texans game also stands out.
Quote:How many of you would take Eli over Bortles? Look at the numbers, they're the same guy. Eli's 10th year in the league he threw 27!!! INTs.
But he was able to win 2 super bowls with a good coach who now is running out front office. Gus was a trainwreck on the development of everybody. Bortles deserves the BOTD for one more season.
Blakes problems dont just start and stop at interceptions though.
Eli does a lot of good things outside of his terrible interception throwing plays. Blake doesnt do much of anything.
I'd say give Bortles a chance to right the ship with the running game but we better have a backup plan that is not Henne.
Hear me out on this, what if we go get Brett Favre? He can come off the tractor one more time for us. ... nah im kidding. But can't we make a go for Foles or Osweiller?
Quote:Youre really just describing a bad quarterback, not a good game manager.
No, a bad QB does things that hurt his team. Forces throws into coverage and such.
Bortles was a bad QB in significant stretches last year.
Good game manager is an oxymoron. By definition the game manager isn't good or bad, he's relieved of the need to be good or bad, he's just a cog in the machine, he's not the one making the machine go.
Quote:Well for example do you remember the Broncos game? Bortles could have thrown 6 or 7 picks that day. Texans game also stands out.
I don't remember it that way. I recall him throwing a pick six against the broncos and against the texans, but I don't recall a bunch of dropped INTs.
Quote:I'd say give Bortles a chance to right the ship with the running game but we better have a backup plan that is not Henne.
Hear me out on this, what if we go get Brett Favre? He can come off the tractor one more time for us. ... nah im kidding. But can't we make a go for Foles or Osweiller?
There is no way you think Osweiler is better than Bortles man…
Osweiler is pure garbage, who thankfully was employed by the tinhorns last season and was benched for a sub-par Hoyer, who is now signed to another garbage team (49ers).
Quote:No, a bad QB does things that hurt his team. Forces throws into coverage and such.
Bortles was a bad QB in significant stretches last year.
Good game manager is an oxymoron. By definition the game manager isn't good or bad, he's relieved of the need to be good or bad, he's just a cog in the machine, he's not the one making the machine go.
I disagree. Ive always viewed game managers as not aggressive but not strictly guys that cant make plays when necessary. Alex Smith and Sam Bradford are pretty regularly classified as game managers despite them making plays when necessary.
Quote:The very definition of a game manager is someone that doesn't take chances and doesn't make the plays that a franchise level passer would.
The problem here is you seem to be assigning credit to the game managing QB that actually belongs to the team around him. That's wrong, the game manager QB does not make plays to keep drives alive, other players make plays to keep the drive alive, and the game manager QB doesn't make turnovers trying to force passes he's not good enough to make.
"The very definition of a game manager is someone who is able to keep the offense "ticking over" enough so that it keeps the team in the game and doesn't end drives with silly mistakes or turnovers."
We are describing the exact same thing.
This guy really just said to sign Osweiler hahahahaha
This thread assumes that BB can be an effective (accurate and smart) game manager. That has yet to be proven as a capability of his.
Like nick foles was a straight up bad game manager with the rams. He literally couldnt do anything.
But Alex Smith is generally just better at everything than he is, same with ol Sammy B
Quote:I disagree. Ive always viewed game managers as not aggressive but not strictly guys that cant make plays when necessary. Alex Smith and Sam Bradford are pretty regularly classified as game managers despite them making plays when necessary.
Alex Smith at this point I'd call a low tier franchise passer. Not on the level of the top tier guys, but middle of the league, can make some plays and some runs, but not a guy you can count on to carry a team. Game managers are guys that need their team to be the ones making the plays, not them.
Quote:No offense, but there aren't many GOAT's walking around looking for a team or coming out of college. And like the other poster above me, Bortles is definitely a GUN SLINGER, like Favre and not a game manager like Alex Smith.
Another thing most of you who are clamoring for Bortles becoming a game manager forget, a game manager NEEDS a good running game to supplement them. And guess what, our running game last year was nonexistent.
Expanding on my previous post here.
Some of us may have forgotten that we had a game manager here in Jacksonville in David Garrard.
Do you know why he, and as a function, our offense was successful with him being a game manager? MJD+Freddy T and a beast of an offensive line who could run block for days with average pass blocking.
Where did we end up in rushing the past couple years? Once you answer this question, you will find out that this is a big problem for "game-managing" QBs and QBs in general (for the most part).
Quote:This thread assumes that BB can be an effective (accurate and smart) game manager. That has yet to be proven as a capability of his.
He cant. If he was accurate or smart he wouldnt need his game limited at all.
Quote:This guy really just said to sign Osweiler hahahahaha
I can't believe I had to address his post, with how outrageous that was lol...
Quote:I don't remember it that way. I recall him throwing a pick six against the broncos and against the texans, but I don't recall a bunch of dropped INTs.
You should watch them again. Also the Raiders game.
Biff Bortles on the bench is our best option.