Quote:The threads about Bortles being a game manager. What myself and others have said is that he makes too many turnovers, bad decisions and is too inaccurate to be a game manager. Wouldn't you agree?
And for those who want Bortles to
be a game manager pose an inherent flaw in their reasoning - because in order to be an effective game manager you must have a strong running game - which we CLEARLY failed to do (hence my previous posts about the crappy running game).
We didn't even field a
decent running attack.
Quote:What does it matter? Do you think Ryan Fitzpatrick is a game manager? From what I can recall his biggest problem has been trying to make throws he should be trying to make.
I don't think it matters what we label Fitzpatrick, but we know he's no good
Quote:The threads about Bortles being a game manager. What myself and others have said is that he makes too many turnovers, bad decisions and is too inaccurate to be a game manager. Wouldn't you agree?
I disagree and this is why if you have a running game your offense isn't as predictable and when your offense is predictable defensive backs can sit on Rock and be more aggressive in the passing game under those circumstances. Give him a running game like Mariota in Tennessee, dak has in Dallas, Derek Carr has in Oakland and Teddy Bridgewater had in Minnesota and Blake would be fine.
Quote:We have never seen a Borts with a good running game, so maybe it is a focus in the draft to upgrade the line.
Borts is my new favorite nickname for bb5
Quote:I disagree and this is why if you have a running game your offense isn't as predictable and when your offense is predictable defensive backs can sit on Rock and be more aggressive in the passing game under those circumstances. Give him a running game like Mariota in Tennessee, dak has in Dallas, Derek Carr has in Oakland and Teddy Bridgewater had in Minnesota and Blake would be fine.
You disagree that Bortles makes too many turnovers, is too inaccurate and makes bad decisions, or you disagree that he can't become a game manager type?
Everyone already agrees a run game would be a big help.
Quote:I disagree and this is why if you have a running game your offense isn't as predictable and when your offense is predictable defensive backs can sit on Rock and be more aggressive in the passing game under those circumstances. Give him a running game like Mariota in Tennessee, dak has in Dallas, Derek Carr has in Oakland and Teddy Bridgewater had in Minnesota and Blake would be fine.
You disagree that Bortles makes too many turnovers, is too inaccurate and makes bad decisions, or you disagree that he can't become a game manager type?
Everyone already agrees a run game would be a big help.
He doesn't need to be a game manager, he needs to be managed. He needs a run game and an o line to keep him upright and fresh, his arm can't handle the amount of throws he's making this is obvious.
Lol, bortles a game manager, guy makes short throws seem so difficult
Bortles needs to get on PED's and lead us to a Super Bowl, then get suspended and we can cut bait for 2018.
Quote:You disagree that Bortles makes too many turnovers, is too inaccurate and makes bad decisions, or you disagree that he can't become a game manager type?
Everyone already agrees a run game would be a big help.
What I'm saying is the Turnovers and bad decision-making by him is a direct result of him being in a predictable offense with no running game and being in a lot of 3rd and long. If the running game exists for this team the office as a result would not be so predictable and what Blake having less pass attempts per game the decision making, accuracy, and turnovers would improve dramatically.
Quote:What I'm saying is the Turnovers and bad decision-making by him is a direct result of him being in a predictable offense with no running game and being in a lot of 3rd and long.
Yes.
That. And that thing where he drops the ball to his belt-line, pulls it up at an awkward angle and releases is semi-side-arm without setting his feet, stepping into the throw, or turning his hips to the target.
Besides what you said and those little nit-picky things I mentioned, he's Dan flippin' Marino!
:teehee:
(I'm messing with you)
Quote:Yes.
That. And that thing where he drops the ball to his belt-line, pulls it up at an awkward angle and releases is semi-side-arm without setting his feet, stepping into the throw, or turning his hips to the target.
Besides what you said and those little nit-picky things I mentioned, he's Dan flippin' Marino!
:teehee:
(I'm messing with you)
It's all good my man and I appreciate your analysis on his play. His mechanic wasn't as funky in 2015 when he had a good year so my point still stands.
Quote:What I'm saying is the Turnovers and bad decision-making by him is a direct result of him being in a predictable offense with no running game and being in a lot of 3rd and long. If the running game exists for this team the office as a result would not be so predictable and what Blake having less pass attempts per game the decision making, accuracy, and turnovers would improve dramatically.
Sure, I fully agree that a good run game would help him out but that's not to say having a good run game would be able to make him into a game manager type. Its just not his style of play and he doesn't have the traits to play that way.
Will a run game turn him into a cerebral passer? No, I tend to think Bortles will always be prone to throwing picks due to his aggressive style , you can win with that style but he needs to tighten up everywhere else. Trying to make him a game manager just isn't going to happen.
Quote:It's all good my man and I appreciate your analysis on his play. His mechanic wasn't as funky in 2015 when he had a good year so my point still stands.
No, they "wasn't as flunky in 2015" but they still weren't what anyone would call good.
And he still didn't have good decision making, or quick decision making, or good accuracy. He just very inefficiently compiled a ton of stats while trailing by double digits, often because he dug us into a hole. That's the antithesis of game managing.
Blake Bortles has pyramid power when he throws from his Egyptian wind up.
Quote:People forget that Alex Smith looked like a bust at one point. He was drafted 1st overall by the 49ers and never looked the part. He worked with Any Reed and the rest is history. Reed made a team built by defense and running the ball. It took the pressure off of Smith and he thrived. One would hope Bortles could benefit from the same scenario.
Blake Bortles record is just horrific when he throws for over 300 yards. (only 1 win) Tom and Dave just poured a ton of money for the defense. It makes sense to use the draft to build the offense and almost looks certain to pick a RB high in this draft. Establish a running game, play solid consistent defense, and take the pressure off of Blake. I could see him thriving if the situation is right.
There's a problem with this, and it's Alex Smith has and always been a conservative dink and dunk type of QB. He fits the mold of a game manager.
Blake has a gunslinger mentality who has inaccuracies throwing the routine throws and lived on big plays downfield for his 2015 sophomore year. Not saying Blake can't do it, but based on 2016, he has a ways to go to become a game-manager.
Game manager is a stupid term to describe qbs of average quality on good terms who don't need to throw as much