Quote:Did you take a look at his TDs (4th behind Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Palmer), #3 league in 20+ yard passes, and top 10 in yards. Not sure what more you can expect out of a second year QB who has to do everything because the line can't protect him or get push to run the ball?
Do you suppose that just might have "anything" to do because we have an inconsistent running game and an OL that can't run block that directly effects our running game? Of course, the TD's MUST come from somewhere so isn't it logical it comes from the air? He is STILL making horrendous mental mistakes and Blake Bortles (by the way) will NEVER be confused with Bret Favre. Is he NOT tied for third in throwing interceptions too?
Quote:Do you suppose that just might have "anything" to do because we have an inconsistent running game and an OL that can't run block that directly effects our running game? Of course, the TD's MUST come from somewhere so isn't it logical it comes from the air? He is STILL making horrendous mental mistakes and Blake Bortles (by the way) will NEVER be confused with Bret Favre. Is he NOT tied for third in throwing interceptions too?
He is also 30th in completion percentage (ahead of mallet who is out of the league and Luck who has been injured all year, so he's effectively the most inaccurate starting qb in the league) and 28th in yards per attempt. But if you think those stats actually matter, you don't understand football.
Quote:He is also 30th in completion percentage (ahead of mallet who is out of the league and Luck who has been injured all year, so he's effectively the most inaccurate starting qb in the league) and 28th in yards per attempt. But if you think those stats actually matter, you don't understand football.
I knew your nonsense would make it to this thread
He throws the ball 40 times a game, yea he is going to have a lot of picks, Brees throws picks too. When you throw 20 more times than most qbs, gonna lead the NFL in ints. They also throw more tds than most qbs at 20 and 19 for Brees and Bortles. Or we could have Teddy Bridgewater and Russell Wilson who are 7-6 and 10-7 in tds to ints. We would be 0-9 right now.
Quote:Do you suppose that just might have "anything" to do because we have an inconsistent running game and an OL that can't run block that directly effects our running game? Of course, the TD's MUST come from somewhere so isn't it logical it comes from the air? He is STILL making horrendous mental mistakes and Blake Bortles (by the way) will NEVER be confused with Bret Favre. Is he NOT tied for third in throwing interceptions too?
Lol no it is very definitely NOT logical. There do not have to be touchdowns. The reason he scores lots of touchdowns is because he's a talented guy.
This QB just continues to amaze.. His growing pains are fairly easy to take when he's throwing TD'S.. He's exciting to watch, he's leaps and bounds better than last year (which was expected, but I wasn't thinking this much better), dude has wheels and can use his legs and feet to get outta trouble.. I wish I could fast forward in time to see his peak in his career, but I'd be missing out on tons of excitement, so I just have to hang on, game to game..
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WOW football outsiders have QB Blake Bortles ranked 5th in ALEX 3rd down
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Awesome!!! Can you now explain what an ALEX is so I can rub it in a certain tack fan's face?
When is the last time this team was able to convert anything longer than 3 and 5? Now its like a regular thing
Quote:Football outsiders has Blake Bortles ranked 18th overall with a QBR of 59.4
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb'>http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb</a>
(Not including this game against the Ravens)
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Allen Hurns is ranked 7th and Allen Robinson is ranked 15th according to FO...
all with the 27th ranked pass protection OLine
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol'>http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol</a>
DVOA is a better stat than QBR in my opinion, but they are similar for Bortles so it doesn't matter too much in our case. I am a huge fan of football outsiders especially in comparison to other analytic systems.
Quote:When is the last time this team was able to convert anything longer than 3 and 5? Now its like a regular thing
Under Del Rio, anything more than 3rd and 5 was usually a draw play.
Quote:He is also 30th in completion percentage (ahead of mallet who is out of the league and Luck who has been injured all year, so he's effectively the most inaccurate starting qb in the league) and 28th in yards per attempt. But if you think those stats actually matter, you don't understand football.
There is never any malice or spite in your posts, which I respect, but I need to ask you...why are you so hellbent on portraying Bortles in the worst light possible? Seriously...several of you are coming across like you're on a personal mission to try and tear the kid down in the eyes of fans. Why is that?
Quote:There is never any malice or spite in your posts, which I respect, but I need to ask you...why are you so hellbent on portraying Bortles in the worst light possible? Seriously...several of you are coming across like you're on a personal mission to try and tear the kid down in the eyes of fans. Why is that?
For me anyways, there is NO agenda going on to start a "I hate Bortles campaign". I simply don't believe he is nearly as good as "some" on this board think he is. I still think he makes way too many mental mistakes (even for a young 2nd year QB). Look, we have plenty more games on tap to let the cream rise to the top on this subject of Bortles. So at the end of the season, let's see how he stands in wins and also personal stats. Of course he should show improvement over last year in just about every category. My concern does he actually have the "right stuff" to take his team to the next level? Time is the only guage we can use as a mark. If it turns out he does have it.........good for him and good for the Jags. If it turns out he is just an average NFL QB...........what then?
Quote:For me anyways, there is NO agenda going on to start a "I hate Bortles campaign". I simply don't believe he is nearly as good as "some" on this board think he is. I still think he makes way too many mental mistakes (even for a young 2nd year QB). Look, we have plenty more games on tap to let the cream rise to the top on this subject of Bortles. So at the end of the season, let's see how he stands in wins and also personal stats. Of course he should show improvement over last year in just about every category. My concern does he actually have the "right stuff" to take his team to the next level? Time is the only guage we can use as a mark. If it turns out he does have it.........good for him and good for the Jags. If it turns out he is just an average NFL QB...........what then?
Well what could you possibly point to to justify calling him average? He's near the top of the league in a bunch of stats, and near the bottom in percentage as you said. There's nothing Average about him.
Quote:Well what could you possibly point to to justify calling him average? He's near the top of the league in a bunch of stats, and near the bottom in percentage as you said. There's nothing Average about him.
Good question & easy answer. Wins and losses my friend ........wins and losses. Thee very same thing the great ones are judged on. The Brady's, Manning's (both of them) The Rodgers, The Aikmans, The Montana's, on and on. That's the yardstick at the end of the day. Dan Marino was one of the all time greats. Do you think for a moment he would have given up any of that for a title or two? I do.
Admittedly, way too early to wonder or not if he will reach these pinnacles. But, at what point do you say.............really good QB but he just isn't going to take us to the big party. The great teams "expect" to be in the hunt for that invitation every year. I watched the locker room after the ravens win. There's a big difference between being happy with a win and celebrating something remarkable. These guys were running around like they just made it to the playoffs. I'm all for positive attitudes, but come on guys..............it's almost as if the JAGS are surprised they win a game. It was Baltimore for crying out loud. Like I said in another thread. The reality here was that a 2-6 team simply beat another 2-6 team. What's the big deal about that? I guarantee you the Patriots didn't celebrate like the Jags did with their last second win against the Giants. The really great ones "EXPECT" to win.
Quote:Well what could you possibly point to to justify calling him average? He's near the top of the league in a bunch of stats, and near the bottom in percentage as you said. There's nothing Average about him.
If it turns out he does have it.........good for him and good for the Jags. If it turns out he is just an average NFL QB...........what then?
Where in this comment did I call him average? read it in it's entire context you will notice I said what if
Quote:Awesome!!! Can you now explain what an ALEX is so I can rub it in a certain tack fan's face?
Alex is a measure of the air yards traveled beyond the first down marker on third downs. So if it's 3rd and 10 and you throw a 12 yard pass, your alex is 2.0. A measure of 0.0 means the qb is throwing the ball to the first down marker and anything negative means the qb thew the ball before the marker.
Not a particularly good stat to evaluate qbs, but rather how well they succeed in their offensive system/with their offensive philosophy. You'll notice that while bortles is 5th in ALEX, he is 22nd in 3rd down conversions. So while he was throwing the ball beyond the marker, he was converting at a very poor clip. Not a good stat for you to try and rub in my face, particularly because it again shows mariota as being better on 3rd downs than bortles.
Quote:There is never any malice or spite in your posts, which I respect, but I need to ask you...why are you so hellbent on portraying Bortles in the worst light possible? Seriously...several of you are coming across like you're on a personal mission to try and tear the kid down in the eyes of fans. Why is that?
I just state the facts and hope for rational discussion. I come to other forums because I'm usually dealing with people who have contrary opinions and that forces me to greater focus on objectivity and developing my own position.
If it seems like I have an agenda against bortles it's only because his evaluation is what most posters are deluded about. They beat they're chest and stomp their feet because he had good td and yardage totals, claiming he is a top 10 qb or that he is a definite answer as a franchise qb despite the fact that he is near the bottom of the league in just about every other important metric (completion %, ypa, qb rating, etc). His success has been a huge step up from his historically bad rookie year, but he has a long way to go. His success is predicated on volume and having two great young wrs who are making a lot of plays for him. I've never knocked his potential, I actually think it's exciting the afc south has three potentially great qbs (the division has been a joke long enough). But to crown bortles at this point and write off mariota (who in his rookie year beats out bortles in just about every available metric) is stupid.
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