Quote:I don't think pass protection was as bad as it looked. Bortles had one play I remember where if he rolled left he could have run for 20 yards easy. He stayed in the pocket and tried to pass. Hard to fault him for that as he always keeps his eyes downfield. Just something I noticed. I feel his internal clock is a little long.
The clock is definitely long. Maybe more than just 'a little.'
He can get better at that. He already has to some degree, but he took hits and sacks yesterday when he should have thrown it away.
Quote:Yea that's right. Point remains.
Still not sure it does, though I understand and appreciate your point.
Thing is, the team forced one more Jets punt after the Marshall muff.
With about a minute remaining, the team needed a long punt return even more than before.
Did they have the more explosive Marshall in to return the punt?
No.
They put in the sure handed Walters.
Why?
Because they needed to give themselves another shot to score, a shot they would not have had if they muffed another punt.
Quote:Still not sure it does, though I understand and appreciate your point.
Thing is, the team forced one more Jets punt after the Marshall muff.
With about a minute remaining, the team needed a long punt return even more than before.
Did they have the more explosive Marshall in to return the punt?
No.
They put in the sure handed Walters.
Why?
Because they needed to give themselves another shot to score, a shot they would not have had if they muffed another punt.
Fair point. On the other hand, Marshall could've just gotten himself benched.
nick marshal didn't sleep much last night.
The oline continues to struggle after starting the season pretty well with pass protection. Whos to blame?
My preacher had a good note for me this weekend....
If you are counting on just hope then that is hopeless. You have to put in the work and do what it takes to finish. I think there is a bunch of work being put in but the focus is off a little and that is just enough to derail winning. At least the team is getting better.
Glad that was in NY. I would have been mighty upset if I had to sit in the torrential rain yesterday and watch Bortles give the game away again.
Quote:The oline continues to struggle after starting the season pretty well with pass protection. Whos to blame?
I would say Parnell looks like the weak link right now. I think Joeckel played well yesterday. Cann as well. Also, it seemed like on at least two occasions there were guys unblocked. And Yeldon let one get by him.
Quote:I would say Parnell looks like the weak link right now. I think Joeckel played well yesterday. Cann as well. Also, it seemed like on at least two occasions there were guys unblocked. And Yeldon let one get by him.
Yea i noticed Parnell got beat a couple times. He started the season off strong.
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I'd like to add to your list...
Yeldon is the anti-Fred Taylor, but not in a bad way. Fred was always dynamite from the first carry and on, but Yeldon takes a little more time to get going. Fred had burst that allowed him to jump on a Defense before they really knew what was happening; that was his best trait. To me, Yeldon's best trait is his balance. He never goes down with the first hit and is always moving forward, I love that about him. Thing is, that means he needs to be fed the ball a lot. His two yard gains start turning into eight yard gains as the game goes on. I am curious as to how effective it would be to have Denard Robinson start the game at RB and then move to Yeldon as the defense wears down.
The little things are killing this squad. There just seems to be a lack of attention to detail on so many parts of the team and it's maddening. I don't know if I could articulate further but there is just a feeling I get when I watch this team that they need to be a little more "professional".
Bortles is really feeling the pressure on Offense. It just seems like he is pressing so hard to make big plays that he's getting himself into trouble. The Offensive Line did him no favors yesterday, but I get the feeling that he needs to settle a bit and focus more on just putting a good play together. You don't have to go 80 yards on every play, chip away at the Defense a little.
The passing game is coming along nicely. Let's be honest, that's a top notch Defense NYJ has there and Blake and Co. just hung 400+ yards on them. If not for turnovers, yesterday was a win (duh).
The lack of a feared pass rusher is very apparent. Nothing trumps talent and when a Defensive Tackle is generating more pressure than a Defensive End, that speaks to talent. This team misses Fowler, or what Fowler is supposed to be. That being said...
There seems to be a something strategically wrong with the Defense. I'm not exactly certain what it is, but why is the middle of the field always so open? Why does the team choose to never take inside leverage on a player and force the QB to make the tougher throw to the outside? Or... am I just wrong and it's another talent issue as far as coverage goes?
Quote:There seems to be a something strategically wrong with the Defense. I'm not exactly certain what it is, but why is the middle of the field always so open? Why does the team choose to never take inside leverage on a player and force the QB to make the tougher throw to the outside? Or... am I just wrong and it's another talent issue as far as coverage goes?
I'm not making excuses, just an observation. Doesn't that seem like the above has always been a problem with this team...since its inception? They've
always seemed to be vulnerable over the middle.
Maybe it just seems that way...
Quote:I'd like to add to your list...
Yeldon is the anti-Fred Taylor, but not in a bad way. Fred was always dynamite from the first carry and on, but Yeldon takes a little more time to get going. Fred had burst that allowed him to jump on a Defense before they really knew what was happening; that was his best trait. To me, Yeldon's best trait is his balance. He never goes down with the first hit and is always moving forward, I love that about him. Thing is, that means he needs to be fed the ball a lot. His two yard gains start turning into eight yard gains as the game goes on. I am curious as to how effective it would be to have Denard Robinson start the game at RB and then move to Yeldon as the defense wears down.
The little things are killing this squad. There just seems to be a lack of attention to detail on so many parts of the team and it's maddening. I don't know if I could articulate further but there is just a feeling I get when I watch this team that they need to be a little more "professional".
Bortles is really feeling the pressure on Offense. It just seems like he is pressing so hard to make big plays that he's getting himself into trouble. The Offensive Line did him no favors yesterday, but I get the feeling that he needs to settle a bit and focus more on just putting a good play together. You don't have to go 80 yards on every play, chip away at the Defense a little.
The passing game is coming along nicely. Let's be honest, that's a top notch Defense NYJ has there and Blake and Co. just hung 400+ yards on them. If not for turnovers, yesterday was a win (duh).
The lack of a feared pass rusher is very apparent. Nothing trumps talent and when a Defensive Tackle is generating more pressure than a Defensive End, that speaks to talent. This team misses Fowler, or what Fowler is supposed to be. That being said...
There seems to be a something strategically wrong with the Defense. I'm not exactly certain what it is, but why is the middle of the field always so open? Why does the team choose to never take inside leverage on a player and force the QB to make the tougher throw to the outside? Or... am I just wrong and it's another talent issue as far as coverage goes?
I agree with most of what you said, but especially the underlined part. Maybe I wouldn't notice it as much if we were winning, but there are a lot of mistakes out there. They just look kind of sloppy at times. Neglecting to block someone, or not knowing whom to block, or taking the wrong angle in run support, or failing to find the ball when it's in the air on pass defense, or failing to cover someone, or just looking confused at times. Safeties get pulled out of position. Often they look unprepared for what the opponent throws at them. It looks like opposing coaches are exploiting our mental weaknesses. They know the plays and formations to throw at us that will confuse us.
It makes me wonder sometimes if coaching isn't to blame. So many mental errors out there. It's like preseason sometimes.
One factor in that defensive 'over the middle' anomaly seems to come on play action.
Poz, Telvin and the nickel are so keyed on then run they are a step slow dropping into coverage on TE'S and slot receivers.
Quote:One factor in that defensive 'over the middle' anomaly seems to come on play action.
Poz, Telvin and the nickel are so keyed on then run they are a step slow dropping into coverage on TE'S and slot receivers.
I remember one play yesterday where Poz was left to cover a slot receiver about 40 yards downfield because the safeties had been pulled out of position. It resulted in a long gain for the Jets. No way Poz should have been left on that guy. No MLB can possibly cover a slot receiver that far down field.
It's just an example of the type of confusion that is constantly exhibited by our defensive backs, especially our safeties.
The 3rd down defence truly is frustrating to watch.
Quote:The 3rd down defence truly is frustrating to watch.
Honestly, I think the two most maddening things about this team (aside from the HC at times) is you can count on two things:
a) A backbreaking turnover in some capacity while also exhibiting a strong aversion to collecting many ourselves
b) Opponents are going to convert entirely too many 3rd-and-longs
After watching this young offense, even with their mistakes, literally take it to a really good NYJ defense. If these kids stay healthy, focused and ever get settled down, this offense is going to be scary. Now, being a defensive-minded football fan this is a somewhat bitter pill to swallow, but if it leads to wins and ultimately a championship, I'll take it.
If rising to mediocrity is satisfying, so be it. The team has nice stats and are relevant in Fantasy Football. The fact remains that the Jets had no kicker, Fitz wasnt healthy, Cromartie went out, Mangold went out, Marshall was limited and it didnt help.
When you lose 13-14 ( forget how many) road games in a row, all the sugar coating doesnt cover the facts that there are issues.
That being said, the rest of the schedule is the easiest in the NFL. Half of those, at the very minimum should be won..and that is mediocrity.
It just seems for every step forward, they take a couple back...and they cant use the injury excuse any longer.
Just frustrated to see them lose in this fashion..again. Self inflicted.
Do they snap the losing streak next week in Baltimore? Another 2 win team?
Quote:If rising to mediocrity is satisfying, so be it. The team has nice stats and are relevant in Fantasy Football. The fact remains that the Jets had no kicker, Fitz wasnt healthy, Cromartie went out, Mangold went out, Marshall was limited and it didnt help.
When you lose 13-14 ( forget how many) road games in a row, all the sugar coating doesnt cover the facts that there are issues.
That being said, the rest of the schedule is the easiest in the NFL. Half of those, at the very minimum should be won..and that is mediocrity.
It just seems for every step forward, they take a couple back...and they cant use the injury excuse any longer.
Just frustrated to see them lose in this fashion..again. Self inflicted.
Do they snap the losing streak next week in Baltimore? Another 2 win team?
To be fair, Cromartie coming out of the game on defense actually helped the Jets.
Quote:I'm not making excuses, just an observation. Doesn't that seem like the above has always been a problem with this team...since its inception? They've always seemed to be vulnerable over the middle.
Maybe it just seems that way...
I'm having Frank Wycheck nightmares again. Yeah this team even with the exciting early defensive players was killed over the middle.
Quote:If rising to mediocrity is satisfying, so be it. The team has nice stats and are relevant in Fantasy Football. The fact remains that the Jets had no kicker, Fitz wasnt healthy, Cromartie went out, Mangold went out, Marshall was limited and it didnt help.
When you lose 13-14 ( forget how many) road games in a row, all the sugar coating doesnt cover the facts that there are issues.
That being said, the rest of the schedule is the easiest in the NFL. Half of those, at the very minimum should be won..and that is mediocrity.
It just seems for every step forward, they take a couple back...and they cant use the injury excuse any longer.
Just frustrated to see them lose in this fashion..again. Self inflicted.
Do they snap the losing streak next week in Baltimore? Another 2 win team?
A Baltimore team with no offensive weapons outside of Forsett and a secondary getting completely gashed.