Quote:Put Rob Johnson higher than that. We flipped him into Donovin Darius, who was much better than Matthews and Gabbert. I'd rank Rob Johnson 5th just because we were able to trade him for a 1st rounder.
I went based off wins and other stuff. Big plays in big games.
Btw we flipped him into Fred Taylor
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Garrard doesn't nearly get the credit he should.
Quote:Brunell won 7 straight games in 96, then only lost to one tesm in 99 and also won a division title, also made the Pro Bowl MVP.
Garrard made the Pro Bowl because 7 QBs said No Thanks.
Bro, you just lost all credibility with that non-sense.
O.K. I hear you. Yes, Brunell had more career passing yards than Garrard which is true but just because Brunell was the starting QB when we went 13-3 only means that the entire team was on point. Also the reasoning to which I spewed the "Non Sense" of selecting Garrard is that he has the franchise record w/respect to yardage within an calander year. In "MY OPINION" the offense was more overall potent w/Garrard. Also if Garrard was played shortly after he was drafted instead of sitting for four years, his #s would be comparable.
Just a personal opinion... BTW I did'nt know that I or anyone else on this message board had Creditibility...
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Quote:Bortles is mostly a guess at this point. I'd rate him #1 based on what I've seen so far, but that's just a very uncertain projection.
Bortles
Brunell
Garrard
Leftwich
Gray
Henne
Gabbert
Garrard had the best single season thus far in 2007, but other than that one year he was nothing special.
Garrard had a good number of wins in 2007, and a decent statistical season in terms of % and yards, but he didn't break Brunell's team record of 20 touchdowns until 2010. And he never broke Brunell's team record of yards.
And 2007 is a huge outlier because he opened that season with a huge bomb that a 7th round draft pick dived and caught for a touchdown. The pass was a fluke; it was not a good pass because the receiver had to faceplant to get it. Yet that made everyone play Garrard with deep safeties the rest of the year and he was able to pick defenses apart underneath and beat them with scrambles for the next 16 games.
From 2008 on, all bets were off and teams started playing Garrard with more 8 in the box and he never really did crack that code to produce even one more winning season.
Brunell and Bortles are the only QBs that have ever suited up for the Jaguars and shown an ability to consistently win over the top even when pressured. Bortles certainly could improve his accuracy going deep and his accuracy under pressure, but he has shown more in both areas than Garrard did. Garrard was the king of the floater and had a stronger instinct to run when pressured rather than step up or to the side.
Quote:Garrard doesn't nearly get the credit he should.
Agreed... It baffles me that Johnson whom didn't even start Two games for us gets more acknowledgement than Garrard. It's more interesting that Johnson played how many games upon being traded Buffalo before Doug Flutie replaced him...
Another Personal Opinion though...
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Quote:Henne over Leftwich? Nah
I agree. Leftwich was better then Henne.
I also contend that Leftwich would have been much better in a more progressive offense (more shotgun formations) than that which JDR was willing to implement.
Leftwich, like Bortles was much better in a 2 minute type offense.
Quote:I agree. Leftwich was better then Henne.
I also contend that Leftwich would have been much better in a more progressive offense (more shotgun formations) than that which JDR was willing to implement.
Leftwich, like Bortles was much better in a 2 minute type offense.
Right. The guy's lead feet and long throwing motion meant he simply didn't have the time to do a three step drop. He had to make his decision about where the ball should go and start throwing it well before most other QBs. We saw Leftwich have some good games, and then, next game, they'd put him back under center, because Fred Taylor did best out of that formation. As a Jags fan, I certainly wouldn't have taken Taylor off the roster just to build an offense around Leftwich.
We'll never know if Leftwich could have become great on a different team. But if he was paired with a better pass-blocking o-line and more of a scatback at RB, he could have won a lot more games than he did in Jacksonville.
As of right now, however when it's all said and done, I see Bortles being at the top.
1) Brunell
2) Garrard
3) Bortles
4) Leftwich
5) Gray
6) Henne
7) Fiedler
8) Johnson
9) Matthews
10) Ace Sanders throwing to Toddman
11) Gabbert
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ja...arterbacks
The worst QB to ever start for the Jaguars is Trent Edwards. In his one game, he threw three INTs and averaged less than 6 yards per attempt.
The second worst QB to ever start for the Jaguars is Luke McCown. His stats for two starts are only slightly better, when averaged together, than Edwards' stats for one start.
Other Jags QBs had games that were similarly bad, but they also had good games. Even Gabbert had a couple of good games - one in 2011 and two or three in 2012. Edwards and McCown did not have good games for the Jaguars.
1. Brunell
2. Garrard
T-3. Bortles
T-3. Leftwich
5. Johnson
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Last. Gabbert
Quote:Brunell has multiple playoff wins.
Brunell is #1 and it ain't even close.
1. Brunell
2. Garrard
3. Leftwich
4. Bortles
5. Matthews
6. Gabbert
7. Miller
8. Johnson
9. Fiedler
10. Quinn
11. Gray
12. Bouman
EVERY LIST NEEDS TO HAVE GABBERT AT THE BOTTOM !!!
The investment and adverse impact that he had to this team set us back 5 years. We're just recovering now.
1- Mark Brunell
2- David Garrard
3- Blake Bortles
4- Byron Leftwich
5- Rob Johnson
6- Quinn Gray
7- Chad Henne
8- Todd Bouman
9- Blaine Gabbert
How in the world can everyone forget about the Jaguars first starter, Beuerlein. He was actually one of the best with the Jaguars winning or losing shout-out their inaugural season?
I'll say...
1. Mark
Brunell
2. Blake Bortles
3. David Garrard
4. Steve Beuerlein
5. Byron
Leftwich
6. Rob Johnson
7. Quinn Gray
8. Jay Fiedler
9. Chad Henne
10. Todd Bouman
11. Jonathan Quinn
12. Blaine Gabbert
13. Jaime Martin
14. Steve Matthews
15. Trent Edwards
16. Luke McCown
Quote:Garrard is that he has the franchise record w/respect to yardage within an calander year.
Brunell had over 4,000 yards in a season.
I can't even take you serious right now. You saud if Garrard played instead of sitting for 4 years. He sat behind Brunell AND Leftwich.
Quote:I agree. Leftwich was better then Henne.
I also contend that Leftwich would have been much better in a more progressive offense (more shotgun formations) than that which JDR was willing to implement.
Leftwich, like Bortles was much better in a 2 minute type offense.
Completely agree. Leftwich had severe limitations with mobility. Leftwich would've only been really successful in a shotgun system similar to what the Colts did with Manning.
Unfortunately for Byron,, the Jags were built for a QB like Garrard and Brunell. The Jags had an excellent defense, running game, and WRs and QBs that could take advantage of that.
Byron was a statue built for another system.
Garrard was much more a "fit" for the Jags.
Quote:EVERY LIST NEEDS TO HAVE GABBERT AT THE BOTTOM !!!
The investment and adverse impact that he had to this team set us back 5 years. We're just recovering now.
I agree.
Gabbert goes to the bottom, with Henne above him.
Also Buerlien goes above Matthews.
NOTE @ whover said Bortles will be on top when it's all said and done. Statistically, maybe.
But Brunell won a lot of games as our QB. He upset Buffalo and Denver in the same year during the playoffs. He dismantled Miami in 99.
He won a division title.
He help put Jimmy Smith in the HOF discussion. He led us to the playoffs in 96,97,98,99
Bortles might put up gawdy numbers but without wins, Brunell will always be the guy out front.
Quote:I agree.
Gabbert goes to the bottom, with Henne above him.
Also Buerlien goes above Matthews.
NOTE @ whover said Bortles will be on top when it's all said and done. Statistically, maybe.
But Brunell won a lot of games as our QB. He upset Buffalo and Denver in the same year during the playoffs. He dismantled Miami in 99.
He won a division title.
He help put Jimmy Smith in the HOF discussion. He led us to the playoffs in 96,97,98,99
Bortles might put up gawdy numbers but without wins, Brunell will always be the guy out front.
But, you are not accounting for something...
His career, along with hopefully many more playmakers on the future roster, have many years ahead of them.
Right now? Yes, Brunell has to be above Bortles.
Quote:But, you are not accounting for something...
I accounted for it by saying without wins and playoff wins, Brunell will be in front of him. I also said based on stats he will probably pass Brunell.