Quote:At this point it seems unfair to rank Bortles over Garrard given that DG has a playoff win under his belt. Hopefully by the end of the year I'll agree with your ranking. If Bortles comes close to his current projected stats, it will be hard to argue against.
^ This
I see where the OP is coming from, I like the post actually. But if you're putting Brunnel over Bortles, it's because He's the best QB in franchise history, right?
If you're making this thread based on current numbers, and not projected ones, Garrard should be right under Mark. Hell, even if Bortles exceeds Garrard's numbers, I still say he stays under him until he wins a playoff game.
And I think Leftwich should be over Henne, but that isn't too big of a deal.
Quote:How in the world can everyone forget about the Jaguars first starter, Beuerlein. He was actually one of the best with the Jaguars winning or losing shout-out their inaugural season?
I'll say...
1. Mark
Brunell
2. Blake Bortles
3. David Garrard
4. Steve Beuerlein
5. Byron
Leftwich
6. Rob Johnson
7. Quinn Gray
8. Jay Fiedler
9. Chad Henne
10. Todd Bouman
11. Jonathan Quinn
12. Blaine Gabbert
13. Jaime Martin
14. Steve Matthews
15. Trent Edwards
16. Luke McCown
Quinn Gray and Jay Fiedler above Chad Henne? C'mon now. Also, hard to believe Luke "Freaking" McCown started for us at one point. This club actually thought playing him over Garrard was a good idea. 2011 was such a bad year, it is like the whole season was one really bad acid trip.
Quote:I agree.
Gabbert goes to the bottom, with Henne above him.
Also Buerlien goes above Matthews.
NOTE @ whover said Bortles will be on top when it's all said and done. Statistically, maybe.
But Brunell won a lot of games as our QB. He upset Buffalo and Denver in the same year during the playoffs. He dismantled Miami in 99.
He won a division title.
He help put Jimmy Smith in the HOF discussion. He led us to the playoffs in 96,97,98,99
Bortles might put up gawdy numbers but without wins, Brunell will always be the guy out front.
It was me. I think Bortles has the potential to put up better stats and to lead the Jags just as far as Brunell did. This is all speculation as a lot can happen, but I see potential in Bortles to have a better peak.
Brunell is obviously our best QB but his stats are actually underwhelming when you consider the cast of guys he had around him.
Quote:Quinn Gray and Jay Fiedler above Chad Henne? C'mon now. Also, hard to believe Luke "Freaking" McCown started for us at one point. This club actually thought playing him over Garrard was a good idea. 2011 was such a bad year, it is like the whole season was one really bad acid trip.
LOL couldn't have said it any better
I'd put Edwards and Mccown over Gabbert tbh
Brunell
Garrard
Bortles
Byron
Henne
Johnson
Fiedler
Quinn
Gray
Bouman
McCown
Gabbert
Edwards
Lemon
Beuerlein - Broadcast so bad!
LeVefour
well let's see... there was that guy before Mark Brunell, then there was Mark Brunell, then there was...was... uh, who else has been a quarterback here? I forget the names of all those other little guys who never amounted to much.
Quote:Right. The guy's lead feet and long throwing motion meant he simply didn't have the time to do a three step drop. He had to make his decision about where the ball should go and start throwing it well before most other QBs. We saw Leftwich have some good games, and then, next game, they'd put him back under center, because Fred Taylor did best out of that formation. As a Jags fan, I certainly wouldn't have taken Taylor off the roster just to build an offense around Leftwich.
We'll never know if Leftwich could have become great on a different team.
But if he was paired with a better pass-blocking o-line and more of a scatback at RB, he could have won a lot more games than he did in Jacksonville.
I am gonna call [BAD WORD REMOVED] on this comment. Yeah we do know. We gave him plenty of shots here before he was cut. He went to Atlanta and got beat out by JOEY HARRINGTON! Then he went to the Steelers as a backup and looked alright, and then was signed by the Bucs to start (which he got beat out again by Josh Johnson in his 3rd game!). Leftwich had plenty of chances he was never great. But in the right scheme (Steelers) he was serviceable.
Quote:Brunell had over 4,000 yards in a season.
I can't even take you serious right now. You saud if Garrard played instead of sitting for 4 years. He sat behind Brunell AND Leftwich.
That was due to him being a 4th round pick and Leftwich being a 1st round who wasn't a complete bust. Nothing more.
Quote:Garrard doesn't nearly get the credit he should.
LOL, what?!?!?!?!?!
Yes he does, and more often than not, he probably gets more than he deserves. He had one pretty good year. After that, it was game over and keeping him on the roster after the 2008 season just delayed the search for a new QB. Not that following it up with Gabbert was any better.
Garrard is pretty much considered the 2nd best QB this team has ever had behind Brunell which is a pretty fair assessment and is absolutely giving him the credit he deserves.
Quote:Brunell is obviously our best QB but his stats are actually underwhelming when you consider the cast of guys he had around him.
And this. I'm always surprised when people post Brunell's stats at how "average" most of them are. Underwhelming is spot on. But he's still the best this franchise has ever seen.
Brunell and Garrard are clearly the best two QBs this team has ever had. But Bortles is quickly flying up the list and I expect him to surpass Garrard by the end of the season. Yes, Garrard has the one playoff win, but I'd argue that exact same team with Bortles this year, gets the same playoff win and possibly more.
You don't put up the stats that Bortles and the two Allens are putting up without it eventually turning into Ws. How long that takes depends on the coaching staff until those 3 develop enough to carry the team on their backs for an entire season.
Quote:It was mainly due to Garrard just being a bad passer. He almost single-handedly lost at home against the tacks in 2004, and his loss against them in 2006 was entirely his fault, with three tack TDs scored off of Garrard turnovers. He didn't break out as a good QB until the coaching change in 2007.
And in 2007, he missed a three game stretch. All three were road games, two were playoff teams. He was not really missed as Quinn Gray went 2-1.
Blake has potential to be number one. Imagine if he had Keenan McCardell, Jimmy Smith, Tony Boselli, Fred Taylor, and a Defense that disrupted things, and got turnovers.
For now though: (Only counting guys who have at least 1 start for the Jags)
1. Mark Brunell
2. David Garrard
3. Blake Bortles
4. Byron Leftwich
5. Chad Henne
6. Jay Fiedler
7. Rob Johnson
8. Steve Matthews
9. Quinn Gray
10. Trent Edwards
11. Todd Bouman
12. Jamie Martin
13. Steve Beuerlein
14. Blaine Gabbert
15. Jonathan Quinn
16. Luke McCown
Quote:That was due to him being a 4th round pick and Leftwich being a 1st round who wasn't a complete bust. Nothing more.
Very Much So... If Garrard had played upon the departure of Brunell instead of GM Harris drafting Leftwich, Garrard would've had more franchise yardage, records, TDs etc. He backed up both Brunell and Leftwich for two years each (4 total) before he became an full time starter...
The Possibilities, The Unknown... :whistling:
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