LOL, reading this thread, especially the "play-by-play" comments earlier was entertaining. We did find one thing out though. TJBender is really a liberal/socialist. I guess I'll turn it on and try to muddle through it for as long as I can. I really can't stand listening to either Billary or Bernie.
Quote:LOL, reading this thread, especially the "play-by-play" comments earlier was entertaining. We did find one thing out though. TJBender is really a liberal/socialist. I guess I'll turn it on and try to muddle through it for as long as I can. I really can't stand listening to either Billary or Bernie.
In my defense, I was drunk at the time, but it held up. I consider same-sex marriage, gender equality, rich men not being allowed to tell poor women what they do to their bodies and separation of church and state to be very important issues, and I always liked Sanders' stance on those. What I didn't like (and still don't) is his tax plan, but let's be honest with ourselves for a second here: that's not going to affect me anytime soon. I'm still early in my career, and though I am pretty well compensated for the work I do (the pros of being an outside consultant), I'm not going to be in a tax bracket that takes a hit, so just this once I'm going to look out for number one. I also think the notion of climate change being this nation's number one defense issue is laughable, but that's a minor thing for me.
Sanders and Paul share their views on foreign policy. Most importantly to me, Sanders shares Paul's view on the NSA, the DHS and the gradual stripping of American civil liberties in the name of "national (in)security". That, to me, is the single most important issue in this election, and since I agree with Sanders on enough other things that I can overlook a tax plan that doesn't screw me, I'll shed my desire for a centrist candidate and, just this once, gleefully embrace a socialist who, unlike many other candidates, has aggressive plans to actually change the way business is done in this country. That earns my respect, and his rant against the NSA last night earned my vote.
Doesn't mean I won't vote for Republicans, third parties or independents in November. I certainly will, but like I've always said here (and elsewhere), I vote based upon the person, not the party, and if I feel like Bernie Sanders is the best option in this election, then that's who I'm voting for regardless of party label.
*Edit: JIB, whatever you do, make sure you watch the last ten minutes or so of the debate, where the candidates were asked how they would differ from a third Obama term. Hillary's answer is comedy gold.
Quote:LOL, reading this thread, especially the "play-by-play" comments earlier was entertaining. We did find one thing out though. TJBender is really a liberal/socialist. I guess I'll turn it on and try to muddle through it for as long as I can. I really can't stand listening to either Billary or Bernie.
If you want to hear about policy it's worth a watch but not if you are looking for all out attacks.
LOL, I'm part way through this "debate" so far and if I was playing my "drinking game" I would already be passed out.
It was hilarious to me that after Jim Webb talked about foreign policy they asked Bernie Sanders to respond. It was almost like they just woke him up and he was stammering trying to answer the question.
WOW! Greatest national security threat according to Bernie Sanders is global warming climate change. Absolutely fails on the subject of foreign policy. So far the only reasonable one is Jim Webb.
Quote:WOW! Greatest national security threat according to Bernie Sanders is global warming climate change. Absolutely fails on the subject of foreign policy. So far the only reasonable one is Jim Webb.
The DoD agrees with him. You knew that already though.
The only reasonable one to you is a republican. Shocker of the day.
Quote:WOW! Greatest national security threat according to Bernie Sanders is <del>global warming</del> climate change. Absolutely fails on the subject of foreign policy. So far the only reasonable one is Jim Webb.
You are more likely to be killed by a toddler than a terrorist in America today. If not climate change, what is the #1 security threat? I can't think of a greater challenge facing this nation.
After sitting through this, the only one that is reasonable in my opinion is Jim Webb. It's too bad that CNN wouldn't give him more time.
Quote:You are more likely to be killed by a toddler than a terrorist in America today. If not climate change, what is the #1 security threat? I can't think of a greater challenge facing this nation.
that's easy, government itself is the #1 threat.
It is government that passes legislation against you
It is government that steals your income from you
It is government that incarcerates you at the highest rate in the known world
It is government that spies on you
It is government that sends you to die in foreign lands for foreign leaders
It is government that restricts your movement
It is government that restricts your choice
It is government that threatens your existence
which is why we should ALWAYS default to limit government.
Quote:Really? I've never met a millionaire at least not that I'm aware. I was just joking but to me a millionaire was always the mythical unicorn no one every really becomes a millionaire it was something you had to be born into.
Now I know people that have businesses who have recieved millions but that's not all profit nor the same as being a millionaire, your a millionaire when you got 1,000,000 sitting in an account and nothing to spend it on, if that's you congrats man! Can I get 100 bucks? Lol just joking .....kinda....
I don't have a million sitting in the bank with nothing to spend it on, but I do have a very healthy 401k as well as a couple of IRA's that combined together is close to the mark. That is my retirement nest egg, and doesn't include my wife's retirement savings. Both of us worked hard all of our adult lives to earn and save that money. When we do reach the million mark, does that make us "millionaires"? Does that mean that we would be one of the "millionaires and billionaires" that doesn't deserve it?
Along with that, I owe less on my house than some people have on their credit card and my only other debt is a car payment that has a balance less than that.
Quite frankly I live a pretty modest life and make a pretty modest income. My home is not a "mansion" by any means. It's a modest 3BR 2 bath home in an older neighborhood here in Jagsonville. I drive a 2003 pickup truck and my wife drives a 2014 Pathfinder.
Quote:I don't have a million sitting in the bank with nothing to spend it on, but I do have a very healthy 401k as well as a couple of IRA's that combined together is close to the mark. That is my retirement nest egg, and doesn't include my wife's retirement savings. Both of us worked hard all of our adult lives to earn and save that money. When we do reach the million mark, does that make us "millionaires"? Does that mean that we would be one of the "millionaires and billionaires" that doesn't deserve it?
Along with that, I owe less on my house than some people have on their credit card and my only other debt is a car payment that has a balance less than that.
Quite frankly I live a pretty modest life and make a pretty modest income. My home is not a "mansion" by any means. It's a modest 3BR 2 bath home in an older neighborhood here in Jagsonville. I drive a 2003 pickup truck and my wife drives a 2014 Pathfinder.
Did someone here say that?
Quote:I don't have a million sitting in the bank with nothing to spend it on, but I do have a very healthy 401k as well as a couple of IRA's that combined together is close to the mark. That is my retirement nest egg, and doesn't include my wife's retirement savings. Both of us worked hard all of our adult lives to earn and save that money. When we do reach the million mark, does that make us "millionaires"? Does that mean that we would be one of the "millionaires and billionaires" that doesn't deserve it?
Along with that, I owe less on my house than some people have on their credit card and my only other debt is a car payment that has a balance less than that.
Quite frankly I live a pretty modest life and make a pretty modest income. My home is not a "mansion" by any means. It's a modest 3BR 2 bath home in an older neighborhood here in Jagsonville. I drive a 2003 pickup truck and my wife drives a 2014 Pathfinder.
Good job man, hell no it doesn't mean someone else deserves it you earned it. I'm skittish about 401k and IRA's I just don't have any faith they'll be around in 40 years when I'm looking to retire. My plan is to just be debt free in 20 years, then buy as much land as I can get my hands on, the thought is land is always worth something.
Quote:In my defense, I was drunk at the time, but it held up. I consider same-sex marriage, gender equality, rich men not being allowed to tell poor women what they do to their bodies and separation of church and state to be very important issues, and I always liked Sanders' stance on those. What I didn't like (and still don't) is his tax plan, but let's be honest with ourselves for a second here: that's not going to affect me anytime soon. I'm still early in my career, and though I am pretty well compensated for the work I do (the pros of being an outside consultant), I'm not going to be in a tax bracket that takes a hit, so just this once I'm going to look out for number one. I also think the notion of climate change being this nation's number one defense issue is laughable, but that's a minor thing for me.
Sanders and Paul share their views on foreign policy. Most importantly to me, Sanders shares Paul's view on the NSA, the DHS and the gradual stripping of American civil liberties in the name of "national (in)security". That, to me, is the single most important issue in this election, and since I agree with Sanders on enough other things that I can overlook a tax plan that doesn't screw me, I'll shed my desire for a centrist candidate and, just this once, gleefully embrace a socialist who, unlike many other candidates, has aggressive plans to actually change the way business is done in this country. That earns my respect, and his rant against the NSA last night earned my vote.
Doesn't mean I won't vote for Republicans, third parties or independents in November. I certainly will, but like I've always said here (and elsewhere), I vote based upon the person, not the party, and if I feel like Bernie Sanders is the best option in this election, then that's who I'm voting for regardless of party label.
*Edit: JIB, whatever you do, make sure you watch the last ten minutes or so of the debate, where the candidates were asked how they would differ from a third Obama term. Hillary's answer is comedy gold.
Here is where you and I differ. The social issues mean very little to me. I wish the Republican party would stop talking so much about Planned Parenthood because even though the issue is important, it's NOT the THE issue that most (sane) people are worried about.
I didn't hear anything about DHS or NSA stuff during the debate.
Quote:Here is where you and I differ. The social issues mean very little to me. I wish the Republican party would stop talking so much about Planned Parenthood because even though the issue is important, it's the THE issue that most (sane) people are worried about.
I didn't hear anything about DHS or NSA stuff during the debate.
did you mean to say it's NOT the the issue most people are worried about? If you didn't I understand that statement. Sorry.
Second part, you didn't listen to the debate if you didn't hear Sanders and Clinton directly address the NSA wiretapping as well as Snowden.
Quote:The DoD agrees with him. You knew that already though.
The only reasonable one to you is a republican. Shocker of the day.
The DoD thinks that
global warming climate change is the greatest national security threat?
Quote:You are more likely to be killed by a toddler than a terrorist in America today. If not climate change, what is the #1 security threat? I can't think of a greater challenge facing this nation.
Tell that to the families of the service members killed in Chattanooga.
#1 security threat is our porous southern border. Next in line is a nuclear enabled regime in an unstable part of the world.
Quote:The DoD thinks that global warming climate change is the greatest national security threat?
Tell that to the families of the service members killed in Chattanooga.
#1 security threat is our porous southern border. Next in line is a nuclear enabled regime in an unstable part of the world.
My mistake, I misread your comment and missed the "most" part. Apologies for skimming.
Still, the DoD does consider it a national security threat.
Quote:did you mean to say it's NOT the the issue most people are worried about? If you didn't I understand that statement. Sorry.
Second part, you didn't listen to the debate if you didn't hear Sanders and Clinton directly address the NSA wiretapping as well as Snowden.
Edited my post. It is not the most important issue at all. If Sanders and Clinton directly addressed the NSA it must have been at the end. I've heard enough of all of their nonsense not to mention how CNN was putting the focus clearly on Hillary and Sanders with very little opportunity for the other candidates to share their views. It was pretty clear that they didn't like Jim Webb.
Quote:Edited my post. It is not the most important issue at all. If Sanders and Clinton directly addressed the NSA it must have been at the end. I've heard enough of all of their nonsense not to mention how CNN was putting the focus clearly on Hillary and Sanders with very little opportunity for the other candidates to share their views. It was pretty clear that they didn't like Jim Webb.
That much was obvious and even though I thought Cooper did pretty well at moderating I would have liked to see them be more fair. There are only 5 of them after all not 37.
Quote:The DoD thinks that <del>global warming</del> climate change is the greatest national security threat?
Tell that to the families of the service members killed in Chattanooga.
#1 security threat is our porous southern border. Next in line is a nuclear enabled regime in an unstable part of the world.
1. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.defense.gov/News-Article-View/Article/612710'>http://www.defense.gov/News-Article-View/Article/612710</a>
You won't find a link to that on foxnews btw^^ food for thought
2. What's your issue with Mexicans? They do the work we won't for dirt cheap. And their food is delicious.
3. Obama took care of that soooooo....
