Quote:As the team continues to improve on the field, the wins and losses will follow. How do you measure improvement? I look at the stats compared to the past 2 years. It's not rocket science.
Stats aren't everything. Garbage time stats can skew the overall picture and create perceived improvement. I think the talent is headed in the right direction, but it will take a different captain to steer this ship in the right direction.
Quote:Stats aren't everything. Garbage time stats can skew the overall picture and create perceived improvement. I think the talent is headed in the right direction, but it will take a different captain to steer this ship in the right direction.
Not all of the stats this team is putting up are coming in garbage time, but hey, grasp at whatever you need to in order to avoid seeing improvement.
Quote:Where do you think improvement starts? And what do you think the end result will be as the team continues to gel? We're 4 games into the season. FOUR games into a new offensive system. Things take time to develop. There's a heck of a lot of football left in the season for the team to show improvements that start to result in more wins. They're already well ahead of the last 2 seasons.
Saying this team wouldn't have lost on Sunday if JDR and Gene Smith were still in charge is laughable. Del Rio lost PLENTY of games with a much more experienced group that the team should have won during his tenure in Jax. Let's not rewrite history here.
lol Yea. Thats because we have 1 win compared to zero.
It sure "looks" like we are improving but we still aren't winning games we should. We should have beat the Panthers with their stars being injured and we definitely should have beat the Colts on Sunday. You can't lose those games if you're arrow is supposedly pointing up.
Quote:Not all of the stats this team is putting up are coming in garbage time, but hey, grasp at whatever you need to in order to avoid seeing improvement.
The majority of our stats are coming from the 1st half which is the opposite of garbage time.
Quote:The majority of our stats are coming from the 1st half which is the opposite of garbage time.
We have a total of 17 2nd half points thru 4 games, 14 of which were in garbage time in a NE blowout. Not sure how that could put in the improvement category.
Quote:Where do you think improvement starts? And what do you think the end result will be as the team continues to gel? We're 4 games into the season. FOUR games into a new offensive system. Things take time to develop. There's a heck of a lot of football left in the season for the team to show improvements that start to result in more wins. They're already well ahead of the last 2 seasons.
Saying this team wouldn't have lost on Sunday if JDR and Gene Smith were still in charge is laughable. Del Rio lost PLENTY of games with a much more experienced group that the team should have won during his tenure in Jax. Let's not rewrite history here.
They are writing history, as in Bradley being historically bad. 6-28 in 2 seasons and 4 games. The team is way ahead of where they were last season? Why? Because they didn't start 0-7? Im still holding out hope they would change it around, and have not called for anyones head, but i can't really blame anyone who has. Where do i think improvement starts? How about actually scoring in the second half of a game? My point is, yes there is inprovement by players, but as a team, its hard to see any improvement. They keep shooting themselves in the foot and can't get out of their own way to win a game. An improving football team doesn't literally give the other team a TD just by causing penalties.
Quote:We have a total of 17 2nd half points thru 4 games, 14 of which were in garbage time in a NE blowout. Not sure how that could put in the improvement category.
It's not an improvement.
I'm just saying the majority of our points have come in the 1st half. We have been god awful in the 2nd half.
This team is technically improved but you can't really be improved if you lose the games you should win.
Quote:It's not an improvement.
I'm just saying the majority of our points have come in the 1st half. We have been god awful in the 2nd half.
This team is technically improved but you can't really be improved if you lose the games you should win.
We won't really know until the end of the season if we have improved. If we win 5 games, we have technically improved in most peoples eyes. Look at the schedule. Where do you see 4 more wins?
Quote:We have a total of 17 2nd half points thru 4 games, 14 of which were in garbage time in a NE blowout. Not sure how that could put in the improvement category.
So, they're not racking up a lot of garbage time stats based on your own analysis. You get that, right?
Quote:Funny stuff.
The definition of yes men in your world is someone who doesn't have knee jerk reactions demanding heads roll following a loss.
Its not just one loss. Its 29 over the span of 3 seasons
Quote:So, they're not racking up a lot of garbage time stats based on your own analysis. You get that, right?
You can still generate garbage stats without actually scoring points. There are other statistics in football besides points, which I assume are the ones you are looking at to gauge improvement, right?
Quote:We won't really know until the end of the season if we have improved. If we win 5 games, we have technically improved in most peoples eyes. Look at the schedule. Where do you see 4 more wins?
Dude. I'm agreeing with you.
From all accounts it seems like we have improved but we are not winning. So, in my eyes, we still haven't improved until we win the games we should win.
Quote:Dude. I'm agreeing with you.
From all accounts it seems like we have improved but we are not winning. So, in my eyes, we still haven't improved until we win the games we should win.
Yeah, I know. We are on the same page. If we are "improving" without winning, who does that fall on? Perhaps the person all of these threads are being created for? It doesn't take a football historian to see that Gus Bradley is in over his head as a HC. I don't see any threads for Cut X, Cut Y, Cut Z. I am just astounded people (not you) can defend this team after all this.
Quote:Funny stuff.
The definition of yes men in your world is someone who doesn't have knee jerk reactions demanding heads roll following a loss.
It didn't take a genius to see that Gene Smith was [BLEEP] on the wall. I know you believed in his process. How'd that work out for you?
Quote:It didn't take a genius to see that Gene Smith was [BAD WORD REMOVED] on the wall. I know you believed in his process. How'd that work out for you?
I was trying to dig up some of FBT's old belittling people about questioning Gene Smith posts, but they only go back so far.
What a shame. Solid gold archived from a database.
Quote:It didn't take a genius to see that Gene Smith was [BAD WORD REMOVED] on the wall. I know you believed in his process. How'd that work out for you?
Allowing the process to happen doesn't mean someone is endorsing the process. Giving someone the benefit of the doubt to let things pan out or not is hardly a great defense.
I know this is a difficult concept for some of you, but you can't demand they blow it up every year and expect anything to improve. You have to let the process happen in order to come to a conclusion.
Nobody thought Gene Smith was useless when he was promoted. Many actually celebrated that move by Weaver because they were so angry about Shack Harris, who wasn't nearly as bad as the same message board geniuses wanted to portray. He wasn't good, but a lot of his guys were still contributing after he left.
Smith was considered one of the better scouts in the league. Unfortunately, that didn't translate to being the guy making the decisions.
Quote:I was trying to dig up some of FBT's old belittling people about questioning Gene Smith posts, but they only go back so far.
What a shame. Solid gold archived from a database.
Belittling because I didn't jump on the same bandwagon you and others do where you need to fire the GM and head coach every other year? Sorry.
Quote:Allowing the process to happen doesn't mean someone is endorsing the process. Giving someone the benefit of the doubt to let things pan out or not is hardly a great defense.
I know this is a difficult concept for some of you, but you can't demand they blow it up every year and expect anything to improve. You have to let the process happen in order to come to a conclusion.
Nobody thought Gene Smith was useless when he was promoted. Many actually celebrated that move by Weaver because they were so angry about Shack Harris, who wasn't nearly as bad as the same message board geniuses wanted to portray. He wasn't good, but a lot of his guys were still contributing after he left.
Smith was considered one of the better scouts in the league. Unfortunately, that didn't translate to being the guy making the decisions.
Do you really need to give someone 3 years or more to see what they offer? So, someone has an agenda or is a whiner because they can see trash earlier than 3 years? I remember getting flamed on here for saying Derek Cox, Alualu, Gabbert, and Anger were bad picks. How did that work out? Let me ask you somethinng, in any other job if you're trash, do they give you 3 years?
Quote:Do you really need to give someone 3 years or more to see what they offer? So, someone has an agenda or is a whiner because they can see trash earlier than 3 years? I remember getting flamed on here for saying Derek Cox, Alualu, Gabbert, and Anger were bad picks. How did that work out? Let me ask you somethinng, in any other job if you're trash, do they give you 3 years?
When they completely blow up the roster and take the long game approach by going extremely young? Yes, you do.
Building an NFL roster isn't the same thing as any other job. There's a timeline involved in implementing a process. They gutted the team and got rid of pretty much everything Gene Smith brought in, starting from scratch. They didn't race out and use free agents to rebuild, preferring to use the draft to build the core for the future. That gives them a bigger window to completely the rebuild. They said 3 years to start to see the transition. 4 years to compete for the playoffs. I'm not a math genius, but I can read a calendar, and we're in year 3 right now. This is the year where we will see the team start to make the turn. If it doesn't happen, there will undoubtedly be change.
Suppose you're on a project that's a major reengineering of some corporate entity that has many moving parts and has a project plan that is 4 years long. You know going in that there is going to be a lot of struggle along the way, but when the newly implemented procedures start to roll into the system, that there will be improvement. Suppose you've got this boss who wants everything that is on that 4 year plan done in year 2, and when it's not, he incessantly complains about it and demands you be fired? Did the process fail? Or did someone not have the patience to allow it to do complete so that you could look at the end result?
You can't start a process, and mid-stream decide it's not working, especially if you're starting to see improvements. Just because they're not coming fast enough for the message board GMs to be satisfied doesn't mean the team abandons the plan. Fortunately, we've got people running the actual business who possess a little common sense not to react every time the fans whine.