Everyone is talking up the Myles Garrett kid as the possible #1 in the draft and best DE to come out in a while. He's good, but what about the Derek Barnett kid from Tennessee? He set SEC and Tennessee records by recording 10+ sacks for three years straight. Not a fast dude, but violent and strong to the QB! I'd venture to say I'd take him over Garrett.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y9LsAFOeqUc
"Not a fast dude." That is enough for me to write him off.
I'd have to heavily consider Barnett should he fall to round two.
Quote:I'd have to heavily consider Barnett should he fall to round two.
lol
I know it's unlikely he falls, but I've yet to see a mock with him in the top 10, and he's typically listed in the late teens to early 20s. It's conceivable he could slip in a see of names. If the Jaguars were seriously interested in Barnett they'd need to make a trade, up or down, to get to right about #18.
Quote:"Not a fast dude." That is enough for me to write him off.
He has closing speed but we'll have to wait to see what 40-time he posts and compare to Garrett.
Interested to hear what puts Garrett in the top 10, possibly top 5, but a guy more durable that has outproduced within the same conference isn't a consideration until later rounds.
Barnett belongs closer to round 2 than pick 4.
Yeah, not a guy I'm looking at for the 4th pick. Wouldn't be opposed to moving up into the late first round if he falls far enough.
Quote:I know it's unlikely he falls, but I've yet to see a mock with him in the top 10, and he's typically listed in the late teens to early 20s. It's conceivable he could slip in a see of names. If the Jaguars were seriously interested in Barnett they'd need to make a trade, up or down, to get to right about #18.
Do you realize how much we would have to give up? It would have to be like the Julio Jones trade.
Trading down that far would also be stupid. We can't afford to miss out on great players with a top five pick.
Quote:He has closing speed but we'll have to wait to see what 40-time he posts and compare to Garrett.
The 40 is meaningless for defensive linemen.
Quote:The 40 is meaningless for defensive linemen.
No, it is not as important as other factors like quickness, flexibility, power, etc. To say it is meaningless is flat out wrong. You aren't worried about closing burst? How about coverage skills in a 3-4? Run defense if he can't shed and a runner gets outside? You have to consider whether the individual is a true DE or more of a linebacker hybrid.
Quote:No, it is not as important as other factors like quickness, flexibility, power, etc. To say it is meaningless is flat out wrong. You aren't worried about closing burst? How about coverage skills in a 3-4? Run defense if he can't shed and a runner gets outside? You have to consider whether the individual is a true DE or more of a linebacker hybrid.
No he's right, 40 time is useless. Zero correlation between 40 time and DL success.
Quote:No, it is not as important as other factors like quickness, flexibility, power, etc. To say it is meaningless is flat out wrong. You aren't worried about closing burst? How about coverage skills in a 3-4? Run defense if he can't shed and a runner gets outside? You have to consider whether the individual is a true DE or more of a linebacker hybrid.
Quote:No he's right, 40 time is useless. Zero correlation between 40 time and DL success.
You are both right. The 40-yard dash is less important to linemen because they never have to run nearly that far, but teams look for the quick start (burst) and stop (closing speed) for all players. For linemen they care more about the 10 or 20 yard shuttle because the much shorter distance applies to them. The 40-yard time does hold more weight for undersized linemen scouts believe would be better as 3-4 linebackers. I agree with the poster who mentioned the three cone drill as they need good agility in a short distance to reach the quarterback.
Shuttle, 10 yard split, 3 cone are things I always keep an eye on for d linemen
3 cone is king. 3 cone >>>> vertical and broad jumps >>>> short shuttle. Those are the only drills that have positive correlations to DE success. 40 yard, 10 yard, long shuttle, and bench press can be all but ignored.
Quote:No, it is not as important as other factors like quickness, flexibility, power, etc. To say it is meaningless is flat out wrong. You aren't worried about closing burst? How about coverage skills in a 3-4? Run defense if he can't shed and a runner gets outside? You have to consider whether the individual is a true DE or more of a linebacker hybrid.
Running a 40 isn't going to tell me any of those things because those are things you get from individual drills. If a defensive lineman is running 40 yards, then things have already gone horribly wrong.
Quote:No, it is not as important as other factors like quickness, flexibility, power, etc. To say it is meaningless is flat out wrong. You aren't worried about closing burst? How about coverage skills in a 3-4? Run defense if he can't shed and a runner gets outside? You have to consider whether the individual is a true DE or more of a linebacker hybrid.
I agree with you here. It's completely ignorant to say it's meaningless.
Quote:Running a 40 isn't going to tell me any of those things because those are things you get from individual drills. If a defensive lineman is running 40 yards, then things have already gone horribly wrong.
Chasing a scrambling QB? Closing in on the QB once you get off your block? Catching a RB out of the backfield? Etc.
I know there are other more important factors, but to pretend like that's meaningless for DE/DT is like I previously said, ignorant.