09-30-2015, 10:35 PM
09-30-2015, 10:41 PM
What did he say that Caldwell didn't address when he was drafted? Bortles is incredibly raw and the team planned on sitting him the entire year so he could learn from the bench and work on his craft. But because Henne was so horrible the first few weeks of the season the team was forced to make a decision to start him earlier than planned or risk losing the fan base by trotting out Henne every Sunday.
Also:
Fail.
Also:
Quote:Right now, I would take Bridgewater, Manziel, McCarron, Derek Carr, David Fales and Brett Smith before I would take Bortles.
Fail.
09-30-2015, 10:44 PM
Quote:What did he say that Caldwell didn't address when he was drafted. Bortles is incredibly raw and the team planned on sitting him the entire year so he could learn from the bench and work on his craft. But because Henne was so horrible the first few weeks of the season the team was forced to make a decision to start him earlier than planned or risk losing the fan base by trotting out Henne every Sunday.
Also:
Fail.
You don't select an "incredibly raw" (as you described it) QB with the 3rd overall pick, project QB's are best selected in the later rounds.
09-30-2015, 10:49 PM
Quote:You don't select an "incredibly raw" (as you described it) QB with the 3rd overall pick, project QB's are best selected in the later rounds.I believe he wouldn't have made it to the later rounds. Regardless of what the Browns say they traded back immediately as soon as Bortles was off the board. Ray Farmer wanted him and ended up with Johnny Boozeball instead.
Regardless, potential franchise QBs trump all draft rules. If he pans out would anyone care if he was drafted 1st overall or 255th overall?
09-30-2015, 11:00 PM
Quote:I believe he wouldn't have made it to the later rounds. Regardless of what the Browns say they traded back immediately as soon as Bortles was off the board. Ray Farmer wanted him and ended up with Johnny Boozeball instead.
Regardless, potential franchise QBs trump all draft rules. If he pans out would anyone care if he was drafted 1st overall or 255th overall?
Also both Arizona and New England supposedly were going to pick him in the first round if he lasted to their picks.
09-30-2015, 11:01 PM
I disagree with his review of Blake Bortles talent.
He has 479 rushing yards on 65 attempts an average of 7.4 which if he was a running back people on here would be screaming to start him. Granted a QB is able to get more yards especially when he is not viewed as a running style QB, but the Patriots HC viewed him simply as that and game planned for it. He needs to protect the ball better having 8 fumbles so far in his career including one last week.
Many had stated that he doesnt throw well on the run, but when he rolls out to the right last year he was more accurate than most QBs running & throwing on the move.
He is tied 7th with the longest pass 59 yards this season (which he has thrown many this year that were over 45 yards in the air & well placed), in fact other than the M. Lewis INT last week most of his deep passes this season have been accurate (whether caught or not).
If anything his short to mid tend to be over thrown because of the velocity in which he throws the ball.
Critiques would be that he only has one winning drive this year, and that he tries too hard to make first downs often at the expense of either his body or the team turnovers (INTs, Fumbles, etc).
He has 479 rushing yards on 65 attempts an average of 7.4 which if he was a running back people on here would be screaming to start him. Granted a QB is able to get more yards especially when he is not viewed as a running style QB, but the Patriots HC viewed him simply as that and game planned for it. He needs to protect the ball better having 8 fumbles so far in his career including one last week.
Many had stated that he doesnt throw well on the run, but when he rolls out to the right last year he was more accurate than most QBs running & throwing on the move.
He is tied 7th with the longest pass 59 yards this season (which he has thrown many this year that were over 45 yards in the air & well placed), in fact other than the M. Lewis INT last week most of his deep passes this season have been accurate (whether caught or not).
If anything his short to mid tend to be over thrown because of the velocity in which he throws the ball.
Critiques would be that he only has one winning drive this year, and that he tries too hard to make first downs often at the expense of either his body or the team turnovers (INTs, Fumbles, etc).
09-30-2015, 11:11 PM
Quote:Also both Arizona and New England supposedly were going to pick him in the first round if he lasted to their picks.
Exactly. You don't try to get cute when it comes to picking the guy you believe is your franchise QB. You take him and don't look back.
09-30-2015, 11:15 PM
Quote:You don't select an "incredibly raw" (as you described it) QB with the 3rd overall pick, project QB's are best selected in the later rounds.Disagree. As others have pointed out other teams had their eyes set on Blake, you take the guy you want when you have the chance. Doesnt matter when, get him or lose him.
09-30-2015, 11:18 PM
Brett Smith. Lol
09-30-2015, 11:35 PM
Quote:Brett Smith. LolI laughed to. Just for saying he would take Brett Smith over Bortles, this Greg Gabriel is a joke.
09-30-2015, 11:57 PM
that garbage was printed in January of 2014 .
09-30-2015, 11:58 PM
Considering this is an early scouting report from January just after he concluded his senior season, I'm surprised by how accurate this is. I do see much of what he's talking about. He's improved some on the following, but much of this is right on...
<p style="margin-left:40px;">He has a good feel for pass rushers, but he will often run out of the pocket when he is pressured instead of stepping up into the pocket. He shows he can go through a progression and find the open receiver, but there are also times when he will stare down his primary receiver. While he can go through a progression, you seldom see him look off a receiver and come back to another. He flashes making some really good throws, showing good timing, and getting good zip on the ball.
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We did see him look off receivers in the preseason, but he'll still regress and stare down receivers a bit. The following was something we saw more of last year where he seems to have considerably improved this past offseason...
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<p style="margin-left:40px;">He also has a lot of throws where his timing is off and he doesn’t set his feet. You see a lot of throws where he is not in proper balance.
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Here's another example of where he's improved drastically from last year by dramatically improving his throwing motion and becoming far more consistent with his release...
<p style="margin-left:40px;">His throwing motion and release quickness are adequate. When you watch enough tape, you can see that he will change his throwing motion at times. He doesn’t have a really quick release. There are guys who make a decision, and the ball is out of their hand instantly. That isn’t the case with Bortles, and it allows DBs to get a jump on the ball.
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This part, however, is still true...
<p style="margin-left:40px;">I feel his decision making is inconsistent. He is at his best against weaker opponents and when he isn’t pressured, but in games like South Carolina, when the competition is very good, he can struggle and make poor decisions.
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Against Miami he was making great decisions as the OL allowed no sacks he at times found himself with all day to throw, but <strong>against the Panthers and Patriots who together totalled 7 sacks, he had some throws he wished he could do over. The following I don't totally agree with but it makes some sense...</strong>
<p style="margin-left:40px;">Bortles' best throws are on the shorter passes (15 yards and less). The further downfield he throws, the less accurate he becomes. His ability to throw the deep ball is average at best. Many of his longer plays, that I saw, were actually shorter passes with long runs after the catch. He has good arm strength, but he does not have a cannon. While he can throw a tight ball, he also throws a lot of balls that “flutter”.
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Some of Bortles best throws have actually been his deeper throws. I've seen passes deep passes float right into Hurns hands, or example, with great touch, however I've also noticed ARob having to make a specuatular catch to come down with a pass, and that deep throw to Marcedes was way off the mark. He's surely improved here as well from his college days with his better mechanics by planting his feet, etc, but I totally notice that "flutter" on his deep balls. I even made the comment the other day to some idiot comparing him to Gabbert, that the only thing Gabs has on Bortles is a stronger arm. Unfortunately for Gabbert, he never could see what's happening downfield and he had no control over his depth accuracy. Bortles can quickly decipher exactly what's happening and has excellent depth placement. His accuracy issues when they do arise are more about them being off target laterally.
This part he nailed...
<p style="margin-left:40px;">Bortles has good running skills. He is not going to remind anyone of “Johnny Football” with his run skills but they are good enough. While he is not elusive, he is strong and can find an open lane.
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Garrard was elusive. Bortles isn't going to run around defenders, but he does have an excellent pocket presence and will take off when he needs to or if the opportunity arises.
As for his QB comparisons, last year Bridgewater had far better stats to the point that we were almost kicking ourselves, but if you saw any of Teddy in weeks one or three this year then you're surely praising Caldwell for taking Blake over Teddy. I feel like Blake's offseason work propelled him from being squarely behind Teddy to being flat out in front of him. That said, Derek Carr really does look better so far this year if you've actually had a chance to watch him. Manziel is looking better out of the gate, but I'm still supicious of his low release, and if you've take a look at the stats you might have noticed that Blake has a better overall qb rating for weeks two and three combined. Take out week one where the pitiful Bucs had no tape on Manziel, and Blake at least edges him out. Granted it's year two for Blake and year one for Manziel, but still...let's just say it's not a forgone conclusion just yet that the tacks have the better qb. The other qbs he mentioned don't even compare.
<p style="margin-left:40px;">He has a good feel for pass rushers, but he will often run out of the pocket when he is pressured instead of stepping up into the pocket. He shows he can go through a progression and find the open receiver, but there are also times when he will stare down his primary receiver. While he can go through a progression, you seldom see him look off a receiver and come back to another. He flashes making some really good throws, showing good timing, and getting good zip on the ball.
<p style="margin-left:40px;">
We did see him look off receivers in the preseason, but he'll still regress and stare down receivers a bit. The following was something we saw more of last year where he seems to have considerably improved this past offseason...
<p style="margin-left:40px;">
<p style="margin-left:40px;">He also has a lot of throws where his timing is off and he doesn’t set his feet. You see a lot of throws where he is not in proper balance.
<p style="margin-left:40px;">
Here's another example of where he's improved drastically from last year by dramatically improving his throwing motion and becoming far more consistent with his release...
<p style="margin-left:40px;">His throwing motion and release quickness are adequate. When you watch enough tape, you can see that he will change his throwing motion at times. He doesn’t have a really quick release. There are guys who make a decision, and the ball is out of their hand instantly. That isn’t the case with Bortles, and it allows DBs to get a jump on the ball.
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This part, however, is still true...
<p style="margin-left:40px;">I feel his decision making is inconsistent. He is at his best against weaker opponents and when he isn’t pressured, but in games like South Carolina, when the competition is very good, he can struggle and make poor decisions.
<p style="margin-left:40px;">
Against Miami he was making great decisions as the OL allowed no sacks he at times found himself with all day to throw, but <strong>against the Panthers and Patriots who together totalled 7 sacks, he had some throws he wished he could do over. The following I don't totally agree with but it makes some sense...</strong>
<p style="margin-left:40px;">Bortles' best throws are on the shorter passes (15 yards and less). The further downfield he throws, the less accurate he becomes. His ability to throw the deep ball is average at best. Many of his longer plays, that I saw, were actually shorter passes with long runs after the catch. He has good arm strength, but he does not have a cannon. While he can throw a tight ball, he also throws a lot of balls that “flutter”.
<p style="margin-left:40px;">
Some of Bortles best throws have actually been his deeper throws. I've seen passes deep passes float right into Hurns hands, or example, with great touch, however I've also noticed ARob having to make a specuatular catch to come down with a pass, and that deep throw to Marcedes was way off the mark. He's surely improved here as well from his college days with his better mechanics by planting his feet, etc, but I totally notice that "flutter" on his deep balls. I even made the comment the other day to some idiot comparing him to Gabbert, that the only thing Gabs has on Bortles is a stronger arm. Unfortunately for Gabbert, he never could see what's happening downfield and he had no control over his depth accuracy. Bortles can quickly decipher exactly what's happening and has excellent depth placement. His accuracy issues when they do arise are more about them being off target laterally.
This part he nailed...
<p style="margin-left:40px;">Bortles has good running skills. He is not going to remind anyone of “Johnny Football” with his run skills but they are good enough. While he is not elusive, he is strong and can find an open lane.
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Garrard was elusive. Bortles isn't going to run around defenders, but he does have an excellent pocket presence and will take off when he needs to or if the opportunity arises.
As for his QB comparisons, last year Bridgewater had far better stats to the point that we were almost kicking ourselves, but if you saw any of Teddy in weeks one or three this year then you're surely praising Caldwell for taking Blake over Teddy. I feel like Blake's offseason work propelled him from being squarely behind Teddy to being flat out in front of him. That said, Derek Carr really does look better so far this year if you've actually had a chance to watch him. Manziel is looking better out of the gate, but I'm still supicious of his low release, and if you've take a look at the stats you might have noticed that Blake has a better overall qb rating for weeks two and three combined. Take out week one where the pitiful Bucs had no tape on Manziel, and Blake at least edges him out. Granted it's year two for Blake and year one for Manziel, but still...let's just say it's not a forgone conclusion just yet that the tacks have the better qb. The other qbs he mentioned don't even compare.
10-01-2015, 08:22 AM
I dont see him ever getting into the top tier of QBs in the NFL. I think he'll be a good manager of a system in place that relies on a really strong running game and strong defense to make the passing effective. I think he will cap out as a middle of the pack type QB.
10-01-2015, 08:23 AM
The problem isn't just Quarterback. It is that everyone on that side of the ball is young and inexperienced. Trust and knowing the playbook is a huge factor that we just don't have right now. The CBA limits practice and the offense is only getting to really do things on Sunday during the actual games.
Remember when Fred Taylor talked about how efficient the practices in New England were conducted compared to Jacksonville? Well New England has a machine of a system and 2/3 of the roster know it and execute it that the reduced practice time doesn't impact them.
Contrast that to us throwing a new playbook and concepts in to a second year quarterback and we have this team. The important gauge is how they progress together. I'm seeing bits and pieces of football being played. Of course I want more but they just can't do it yet.
Remember when Fred Taylor talked about how efficient the practices in New England were conducted compared to Jacksonville? Well New England has a machine of a system and 2/3 of the roster know it and execute it that the reduced practice time doesn't impact them.
Contrast that to us throwing a new playbook and concepts in to a second year quarterback and we have this team. The important gauge is how they progress together. I'm seeing bits and pieces of football being played. Of course I want more but they just can't do it yet.
10-01-2015, 08:24 AM
WE ARE DOOMED!
DOOMED I TELL YOU!
DOOMED I TELL YOU!
10-01-2015, 08:27 AM
Quote:You don't select an "incredibly raw" (as you described it) QB with the 3rd overall pick, project QB's are best selected in the later rounds.
Baloney.
You select the player that's going to give you the biggest benefit LONG TERM, I don't care if he's raw or not.
10-01-2015, 08:33 AM
Quote:Baloney.
You select the player that's going to give you the biggest benefit LONG TERM, I don't care if he's raw or not.
But why would you do that?!?! Aren't you supposed to only ever take the 100%, guaranteed, stone cold lock players that are going to be All Pros the moment they walk into an NFL locker room? You know, guys like Tony Mandarich, Joey Harrington, Aaron Curry, Curtis Enis, Trent Richardson, and Jason Smith.
I mean, drafting is soooooo eassssssyyyyyy. You just pick the good players!
10-01-2015, 06:24 PM
Quote:I dont see him ever getting into the top tier of QBs in the NFL. I think he'll be a good manager of a system in place that relies on a really strong running game and strong defense to make the passing effective. I think he will cap out as a middle of the pack type QB.
I feel like he's going to improve tremdously as the talent around him improves. What might separate him from the truly elite guys is his arm, but there's room for him to improve there possibly with one more offseason like he had this year. What encourages me is everything else. As a tall, durable qb who can stand in the pocket he's able to go through his progressions and properly diagnose what's happening downfield. He's also got the pocket presence and feel for pressure that top qbs possess with the ability to get out of the pocket and throw on the run or take off as needed. Really it's just a matter of him nailing his throws, and we saw his potential to do just that in the preseason.
I feel like it's just a matter of him perfecting his game, but he's got all the intangibles that a great qb needs. He many never be Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning in his prime, but that's what they once said about Tom Brady. He may not even reach the level of a Rivers or Ryan, and might always trail in the shadow of guys like Newton, Luck and Wilson, but I do think he has it in him to be the next Flacco, Romo or Palmer. I'm convinced he'll surpass the likes of Dalton, Kaepernick and Alex Smith in short order.
If I had to put a ceiling on how good he could be, I'd look at Big Ben. They really are very similar in stature.
10-01-2015, 08:50 PM
Quote:I dont see him ever getting into the top tier of QBs in the NFL. I think he'll be a good manager of a system in place that relies on a really strong running game and strong defense to make the passing effective. I think he will cap out as a middle of the pack type QB.After Brady's second season, did you think he'd be in the conversation of best of all time?
After Aaron Rodgers second season, did you think he'd become the best Qb in the league?
After Drew Brees' second season, did you imagine him leading any team to a Super Bowl?
We don't know what Blake will become but I'll enjoy watching growth...
10-01-2015, 09:17 PM
This guys scouting report is spot on. Does anybody actually disagree with him?
Heck, Jags need to hire this guy...
Heck, Jags need to hire this guy...