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Quote:I feel for Gus. He's trying to catch sushi grade tuna in a toilet called Everstank.

You didn't need to bother editing your spelling, It's still just a whole lot of stupid. T.U. comment section not working today?

Quote:You didn't need to bother editing your spelling, It's still just a whole lot of stupid. T.U. comment section not working today?

 

I haven't seen anyone try as hard to get noticed on this board more than that clown.

This whole thread, much like the toilet bowl of others floating around in this message board is pretty sad and pathetic. Some folks should probably take a break to gain perspective.

Quote:I feel for Gus. He's trying to catch sushi grade tuna in a toilet called Everstank.

 

This team is using a completely different model for rebuilding a roster from the ground up from what other teams have done previously.  This process has never been tested to the extent that it has been here where you're putting the bulk of your focus on the draft and building with younger players.  That takes time to develop.  People were up in arms last year because the team appeared to take a step back.  They didn't bother to recognize the amount of youth that was on the field starting and contributing.  Nobody started more rookies than the Jags last year.  The step back was a necessity as part of the process.

 

Everything has been focused on the turnaround starting in year 3.  Caldwell has said on more than one occasion that the expectation is that the team will turn the corner, and it will do so this year, and when it happens, it will happen quickly.  He never made any promise that it would happen in week one or two, but he said they were confident that this was the year where the younger contributors coupled with the free agents they've brought in will take that next step in the progression, and we'll start to see a more competitive brand of football. 

 

Trying to cherry pick "analytics" that prop up the notion that Gus is a failed head coach vs. every head coach who has participated in a Super Bowl over the last 19 years is simply irrelevant because you're comparing apples to oranges.  Many of the coaches on that list had a lot more experience as a head coach than Bradley has today when they reached that mark.  None of them inherited the hot mess that we had here in Jacksonville when Bradley was hired. 

 

I know there's a faction on this board who is always going to blame the coach and demand he be replaced.  It was the same thing when Coughlin struggled in 2002.  They wanted him fired, and celebrated when that happened.  That really worked out well, didn't it?

 

Fortunately for us, this front office doesn't appear to be quite as willing to bend to the will of the fans when it comes to personnel decisions.  Gus is in year 3 of the rebuild.  He says the team is built, and that there are only going to be tweaks from here on out with the roster.  This is the team that he expects to take that next step.  This is the year where that needs to start happening.  It doesn't matter how the team starts the season.  What matters is where it's at when the season ends.  If this team is looking at another 5 win or less season, and they're not playing up to any expectations, then Gus is more than likely in jeopardy of losing his job.  If the team is playing better at the end of the season, and they've won 6-8 games, then he'll stick around for year 4, where he'll once again be under heavy scrutiny because at that point, the expectation is playoffs, and a push for the division title. 

 

It doesn't matter what other coaches have done over the past 19 years.  What does matter is what Gus and this team do over the next 5 months. 

I can't believe all the flack this guy is getting just for compiling a list of statistics. It just goes to show that numbers are, indeed, very offensive.

Quote:I can't believe all the flack this guy is getting just for compiling a list of statistics. It just goes to show that numbers are, indeed, very offensive.

 

It also shows how numbers can be manipulated to prove a point.  The league has been around longer than 19 years.  There's a whole lot of historical data that was completely ignored  because it didn't prop up the main point the OP was trying to make.

I only went back to 1996 but do you guys know that nobody with the last name Roosevelt has ever been elected president?

Quote:I only went back to 1996 but do you guys know that nobody with the last name Roosevelt has ever been elected president?

 

Nobody in history. 

Quote:Nobody in history. 

 

Yep. That is crazy.

Quote:It also shows how numbers can be manipulated to prove a point.  The league has been around longer than 19 years.  There's a whole lot of historical data that was completely ignored  because it didn't prop up the main point the OP was trying to make.

 

If went back further though would his point be completely disproven? If he completes his list going back another 40 years it may show similar results. Also, today's league is much different compared to the league 25+ years ago, so it may not even be worth comparing that far back.

Here is your evidence you so desperately need.  

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...10/pubhtml

 

As you can see only three superbowl coaches have been handed a worse team than Gus Bradley.  This is what you should be analyzing.

 

Disclaimer: I went off of wiki for all this information and I did it at work in about 45 minutes.

Quote:If went back further though would his point be completely disproven? If he completes his list going back another 40 years it may show similar results. Also, today's league is much different compared to the league 25+ years ago, so it may not even be worth comparing that far back.

 

He went back far enough so Jimmy Johnson would not be included. And as has been pointed out, there are other examples in the Super Bowl era.

Quote:Here is your evidence you so desperately need.  

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...10/pubhtml

 

As you can see only three superbowl coaches have been handed a worse team than Gus Bradley.  This is what you should be analyzing.

 

Disclaimer: I went off of wiki for all this information and I did it at work in about 45 minutes.

I do want to add that I did the first two seasons of the coaches time at that team as well.  Didn't make that clear.

Quote:If went back further though would his point be completely disproven? If he completes his list going back another 40 years it may show similar results. Also, today's league is much different compared to the league 25+ years ago, so it may not even be worth comparing that far back.

 

You can't sit there and say "in the history of the league X has never happened" if you're not looking at the ENTIRE history of the league to do so. 

 

As has been pointed out above, there are other coaches who encountered similar situations to what Gus has had here, and I believe they're all in the Hall of Fame now.  What that historical perspective does NOT take into account is that none of the coaches on the original list, or one that goes back 50 years were dealt a roster that had been gutted to the extent this one was, and re-stocked with a roster nearly as young as the one Gus has had to work with over the past couple of years. 

Quote:Here is your evidence you so desperately need.  

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...10/pubhtml

 

As you can see only three superbowl coaches have been handed a worse team than Gus Bradley.  This is what you should be analyzing.

 

Disclaimer: I went off of wiki for all this information and I did it at work in about 45 minutes.

Does your boss know?

Quote:Does your boss know?

Are you my boss?  If not then no.

Quote:This team is using a completely different model for rebuilding a roster from the ground up from what other teams have done previously. This process has never been tested to the extent that it has been here where you're putting the bulk of your focus on the draft and building with younger players. That takes time to develop. People were up in arms last year because the team appeared to take a step back. They didn't bother to recognize the amount of youth that was on the field starting and contributing. Nobody started more rookies than the Jags last year. The step back was a necessity as part of the process.


Everything has been focused on the turnaround starting in year 3. Caldwell has said on more than one occasion that the expectation is that the team will turn the corner, and it will do so this year, and when it happens, it will happen quickly. He never made any promise that it would happen in week one or two, but he said they were confident that this was the year where the younger contributors coupled with the free agents they've brought in will take that next step in the progression, and we'll start to see a more competitive brand of football.


Trying to cherry pick "analytics" that prop up the notion that Gus is a failed head coach vs. every head coach who has participated in a Super Bowl over the last 19 years is simply irrelevant because you're comparing apples to oranges. Many of the coaches on that list had a lot more experience as a head coach than Bradley has today when they reached that mark. None of them inherited the hot mess that we had here in Jacksonville when Bradley was hired.


I know there's a faction on this board who is always going to blame the coach and demand he be replaced. It was the same thing when Coughlin struggled in 2002. They wanted him fired, and celebrated when that happened. That really worked out well, didn't it?


Fortunately for us, this front office doesn't appear to be quite as willing to bend to the will of the fans when it comes to personnel decisions. Gus is in year 3 of the rebuild. He says the team is built, and that there are only going to be tweaks from here on out with the roster. This is the team that he expects to take that next step. This is the year where that needs to start happening. It doesn't matter how the team starts the season. What matters is where it's at when the season ends. If this team is looking at another 5 win or less season, and they're not playing up to any expectations, then Gus is more than likely in jeopardy of losing his job. If the team is playing better at the end of the season, and they've won 6-8 games, then he'll stick around for year 4, where he'll once again be under heavy scrutiny because at that point, the expectation is playoffs, and a push for the division title.


It doesn't matter what other coaches have done over the past 19 years. What does matter is what Gus and this team do over the next 5 months.

Do you think this roster is good enough to turn it around? Because I don't think they have quite enough ammo yet, with so few difference makers especially on the offense. We have a solid defense, but I just don't see enough offensively to be able to 1) generate and maintain a lead and 2) come back from behind.

Quote:Do you think this roster is good enough to turn it around? Because I don't think they have quite enough ammo yet, with so few difference makers especially on the offense. We have a solid defense, but I just don't see enough offensively to be able to 1) generate and maintain a lead and 2) come back from behind.

I do think the roster is good enough to make the turn.  Are they good enough to challenge for a playoff spot?  That's debatable.  I think the offense will improve significantly when you get Lee and Thomas back healthy, and we get Joeckel back on the line with no issues.  I don't think this team is as far from making their move as some here want to believe. 

Quote:I do think the roster is good enough to make the turn. Are they good enough to challenge for a playoff spot? That's debatable. I think the offense will improve significantly when you get Lee and Thomas back healthy, and we get Joeckel back on the line with no issues. I don't think this team is as far from making their move as some here want to believe.

I dont think people are understanding how pivotal bortles' development is. Drops suck, but they happen. The good qbs overcome it and continue to take chances downfield. Bortles is now getting into this habit of getting conservative whenever he faces adversity. That's a legitimate concern, as is his lack of composure when the blitz comes. He doesn't just sit there and take sacks like blaine, but taking off and trying to run right away isnt the answer either. When a lineback blitzes, your hb or a receiver running a cross is likely to be wide open.


Good quarterbacks make everybody look better. Blake's second half performance wasn't near good enough, and unfortunately that's what we have seen most of the time since he took over. San Diego started out great, then.... Fart noises. Very similar to Sunday.

In blakes defense though, We've seen this formula over and over again. JDR wanted a plodding offense that had drives of 10 minutes or so.... Now a new staff is in place and we are trying the exact same crap. You can'r just go "run run pass" and be predictable. You have to take more shots downfield because this team simply makes too many mistakes to count on scoring from 12+ play drives