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Quote:They had at least 5 Hall of Famers on that Rams team.

Yeah, that's probably why they won the Super Bowl. What's your point?

Quote:Yeah, that's probably why they won the Super Bowl. What's your point?

Wait a minute there Mr. Farmer man. Are you actually insinuating that coaches don't actually play the games?............Blasphemy!!!!

Quote:Great teams are built in the draft not FA, so in that regard Caldwell is a failure.

 

Primarily through the draft but you have to utilize FA where that year doesn't match up with your current need or talent level.

Quote:Great teams are built in the draft not FA, so in that regard Caldwell is a failure.

I wouldn't call it a failure just yet.  It's an incomplete at worst.

 

They drafted the guy they expect to be the franchise QB last year.  Most of the key skill players are rookies or 2nd year players.  A good portion of your defense, and your offensive line are also at best 2nd year players (Joeckel is really in year 2 of his development thanks to injuries). 

 

We'll see soon enough if the philosophy pays off.  To call it a failure when you've got so many young players he drafted on the field contributing is a little over the top.

Quote:I wouldn't call it a failure just yet.  It's an incomplete at worst.

 

They drafted the guy they expect to be the franchise QB last year.  Most of the key skill players are rookies or 2nd year players.  A good portion of your defense, and your offensive line are also at best 2nd year players (Joeckel is really in year 2 of his development thanks to injuries). 

 

We'll see soon enough if the philosophy pays off.  To call it a failure when you've got so many young players he drafted on the field contributing is a little over the top.

 

I would actually say it is a failure at worst, incomplete at best. We have got to start landing some playmakers in the draft. So far we have none. We have drafted starters, but no stars. We have a couple who look like they COULD be stars (Telvin, Hurns), but haven't made that leap. I am not sure if that is because they are not being developed, or they are just destined to be average. At the end of this season we should know exactly where we are and what we need to do with the front office and coaching staff.

Quote:In blakes defense though, We've seen this formula over and over again. JDR wanted a plodding offense that had drives of 10 minutes or so.... Now a new staff is in place and we are trying the exact same crap. You can'r just go "run run pass" and be predictable. You have to take more shots downfield because this team simply makes too many mistakes to count on scoring from 12+ play drives

I think there needs to be a focus on balance and then through out the game an adjustment is made towards the stronger of the two. I personally am not to frustrated with Blake (although only scoring 9 points is on the qb) because he is not a finished product. Can he play yes but he is still not even fully technically sound to expect full consistency from him. He will have lapses in his ability and that why I put a focus on the coaching, offensively in particular. When you see you passing game struggling and your running game flourishing, to me it makes sense to run the ball more. That may in turn have helped the pass offense get on track.  

Quote:I think there needs to be a focus on balance and then through out the game an adjustment is made towards the stronger of the two. I personally am not to frustrated with Blake (although only scoring 9 points is on the qb) because he is not a finished product. Can he play yes but he is still not even fully technically sound to expect full consistency from him. He will have lapses in his ability and that why I put a focus on the coaching, offensively in particular. When you see you passing game struggling and your running game flourishing, to me it makes sense to run the ball more. That may in turn have helped the pass offense get on track.

The thing is, we should probably start seeing the results soon though. We knew Matt Ryan, wilson, and Luck were going to be good after year 1. Dalton too. Maybe im mistaken, but nick foles was in his second year when he started showing promise, right? Same with kaepernick, brady, manning, tannehill, flacco. rivers showed promise his first year starting. I'm sure there are others.


My point is, the good quarterbacks in todays NFL generally have had a good season in their first 2 years. I look at this as make or break for him as much as for Gus because of that.

Quote:What i wouldnt give for a 30 yard touchdown run.... Theyre all to infrequent around here now a days

 

You could just shorten it to this.

Quote:The thing is, we should probably start seeing the results soon though. We knew Matt Ryan, wilson, and Luck were going to be good after year 1. Dalton too. Maybe im mistaken, but nick foles was in his second year when he started showing promise, right? Same with kaepernick, brady, manning, tannehill, flacco. rivers showed promise his first year starting. I'm sure there are others.


My point is, the good quarterbacks in todays NFL generally have had a good season in their first 2 years. I look at this as make or break for him as much as for Gus because of that.

This is very true. We will know if we have the guy soon enough.

Quote:I would actually say it is a failure at worst, incomplete at best. We have got to start landing some playmakers in the draft. So far we have none. We have drafted starters, but no stars. We have a couple who look like they COULD be stars (Telvin, Hurns), but haven't made that leap. I am not sure if that is because they are not being developed, or they are just destined to be average. At the end of this season we should know exactly where we are and what we need to do with the front office and coaching staff.

Telvin might become a star. linder will be an All Pro. Hurns will be solid. mcCray and Colvin are already solid players. But everyone else is either hurt or unproven (Lee) or just a guy. The Defense will be fine. It's the offense that still concerns me. I really need to see a jump next week because their play has really started to confirm my suspicions that Caldwell doesn't know offensive talent.

Injuries have been a huge problem the last few years on this team, but injuries happen in every team (it is just a bigger blow to the Jaguars due to the lack of real depth on the roster).

 

Let us try hard to remove the teal koolaid glasses (no bias) and look at the Depth Chart vs the rest of the AFC South which Gus Bradley said the Jaguars will defeat this year.

 

QB

 

(after one week the stats)

 

Colts - Andrew Luck - 63.6 Qb Rating -  2 INTs - 53.1% -

Texans - Brian Hoyer -  72.7 Qb Rating  - 1 INT - 52% -

Titans - Marcus Mariota - 158.3 Qb Rating - 0 INT - 81.3% -

Jaguars - Blake Bortles - 54.5 Qb Rating - 2 INTs - 55% -

 

Okay so with the exception of the Rookie's All Star performance this week all the QBs in our division played a very similar game.  Everyone is flipping out about the Jaguars performance verus Carolina but look at INdy's vs the Bills!  Their offense wasnt expected to be great with a qb that most people have never heard of yet they crushed the Colts with Luck getting stats in garbage time.

 

In fact the more I looked into the week's QBs performance the more I realized (one what a fantastic game the rookie Mariota played, I mean wow! and the other being that all the QBs except Mariota played almost exactly equal in talent yet it seems only the Jaguars fans are flipping out)!

 

RB

 

(after one week the stats)

 

Colts - Frank Gore - 8 for 31yrds, avg 3.9, 0 TD, 0 fumbles

Texans - Alfred Blue -   9 for 42 yrds, avg 4.7, 0 TD, 0 fumbles

Titans - T West - 13 for 41 yards, 3.2 avg, 0 TD, 1 fumble

Jaguars - TJ Yeldon -  12 for 51 yards, 4.3 avg, 0 TD, 0 fumble

 

For the most part TJ Yeldon was impressive with his moves and didnt fumble like T West of the Titans and broke the 4 yards per carry mark, along with Alfred Blue whom ran great as well.

Quote:Did you know Chuck Noll was 6-22 his first two years?

 

And yet in the initial post you ask Does anyone genuinely believe that Bradley will become the one guy in history that can truly have this bad of a career start and then lead a team to the Super Bowl?

 

When in fact he would not be the "one guy in history" as you put it.

 

Or maybe you don't know what history means either.

 

First off, 6-22 is marginally better than 7-26, and if you add in Noll's next five games to match Bradley's total of 33, Noll is 8-25. But the more important difference is that Chuck Noll didn't have the option of signing free agents. Jimmy Johnson might be a reasonable argument, Chuck Noll isn't.

Tony Khan will lead us to salvation

Quote:You only went back to 96. How can you say "the one guy in history"? History is a lot longer than 19 years.

 

 

Quote:I didn't ignore anything on purpose for what it's worth.  I understand the Bradley and Caldwell were hired by Khan with him knowing the franchise was a mess and it would take an overhaul to turn around.

 

However, facts are still facts and I'm asking a simple question here.

but you did ignore this...

sloppy work

 

cherry picked stats to push an agenda.

 

weak.

Quote:Telvin might become a star. linder will be an All Pro. Hurns will be solid. mcCray and Colvin are already solid players. But everyone else is either hurt or unproven (Lee) or just a guy. The Defense will be fine. It's the offense that still concerns me. I really need to see a jump next week because their play has really started to confirm my suspicions that Caldwell doesn't know offensive talent.

 

Should have drafted Geno, amirite?

Quote:Should have drafted Geno, amirite?

No your Mom.

Quote:So I'm not Elias, sue me. You're intelligent enough to understand my point. And have yet to answer whether or not you believe Bradley can be added to the list of Super Bowl coaches.

You asked a question on incorrect information. You can't just push it under the rug, whistle and pretend it didn't happen. Since others have done it than yes he could go to the Super Bowl.

Ohhhh Snappp!!

Quote:No your Mom.

 

Dayummmm put some salve on that BURN!