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Quote:In blakes defense though, We've seen this formula over and over again. JDR wanted a plodding offense that had drives of 10 minutes or so.... Now a new staff is in place and we are trying the exact same crap. You can'r just go "run run pass" and be predictable. You have to take more shots downfield because this team simply makes too many mistakes to count on scoring from 12+ play drives

 

You do realize part of the problem Sunday was they abandoned the run, right?

Quote:You do realize part of the problem Sunday was they abandoned the run, right?

 

A little more than that tbh.

Quote:A little more than that tbh.

 

What?

Quote:You do realize part of the problem Sunday was they abandoned the run, right?

Im not saying it wasnt. But you can marry the two together. If you run successfully, you can take more shots on early downs and utilize play action better. What they tried doing on sunday was running too many short passes and screens. Run the ball and take shots downfield. That's how you keep the defense honest

Running quick horizontal passes when the defense is already pressing at the line is gonna get you nowhere

Quote:I dont think people are understanding how pivotal bortles' development is. Drops suck, but they happen. The good qbs overcome it and continue to take chances downfield. Bortles is now getting into this habit of getting conservative whenever he faces adversity. That's a legitimate concern, as is his lack of composure when the blitz comes. He doesn't just sit there and take sacks like blaine, but taking off and trying to run right away isnt the answer either. When a lineback blitzes, your hb or a receiver running a cross is likely to be wide open.


Good quarterbacks make everybody look better. Blake's second half performance wasn't near good enough, and unfortunately that's what we have seen most of the time since he took over. San Diego started out great, then.... noises. Very similar to Sunday.

 

Good QBs can't make receivers catch balls that are perfectly delivered, or put in catchable locations.  That's on the receivers to make those plays.  All the QB can do is give them the opportunity to make the plays.  Blake's stat line would have looked significantly better had we not seen multiple drops, and that fumble. 

 

I agree that good QBs make everyone else on the field better, but there's got to be some reciprocation from the guys on the receiving end of his passes.

 

Bortles second half performance was the result of him tightening up after making that mistake.  He's going to have to develop a short memory and move on from mistakes in the future. 

 

Quote:In blakes defense though, We've seen this formula over and over again. JDR wanted a plodding offense that had drives of 10 minutes or so.... Now a new staff is in place and we are trying the exact same crap. You can'r just go "run run pass" and be predictable. You have to take more shots downfield because this team simply makes too many mistakes to count on scoring from 12+ play drives

 

Sustained drives aren't crap.  They're the things that help a team to win games.  If executed properly, the goal is to eat up as much clock as possible, and keep your defense fresh.  It's not that difficult to understand. 

Quote:Im not saying it wasnt. But you can marry the two together. If you run successfully, you can take more shots on early downs and utilize play action better. What they tried doing on sunday was running too many short passes and screens. Run the ball and take shots downfield. That's how you keep the defense honest

 

And that's pretty much the offense they ran in the preseason.  They gave up on the run way too early on Sunday, and it cost them the game. 

Quote:Good QBs can't make receivers catch balls that are perfectly delivered, or put in catchable locations. That's on the receivers to make those plays. All the QB can do is give them the opportunity to make the plays. Blake's stat line would have looked significantly better had we not seen multiple drops, and that fumble.


I agree that good QBs make everyone else on the field better, but there's got to be some reciprocation from the guys on the receiving end of his passes.


Bortles second half performance was the result of him tightening up after making that mistake. He's going to have to develop a short memory and move on from mistakes in the future.



Sustained drives aren't crap. They're the things that help a team to win games. If executed properly, the goal is to eat up as much clock as possible, and keep your defense fresh. It's not that difficult to understand.

Sustained drives arent crap, im not debating that. That's how the pats and hawks go about their business, but their offenses are much more finely tuned (lots of experiencd, precise quarterbacks). It should still have a role, primarily when you have the lead.

But blake has already admitted to being most comfortable in the hurry up offense. You have to fit your scheme to your players, not the other way around. Look at how much success mariota had this weekend. They used a ton of shotgun. Is that what their coach ideally wants? No. But it's what the qb is comfortable executing. What you saw out of mariota on sunday wasnt just a fluke and poor defense, it was a good offensive gameplan

Quote:And that's pretty much the offense they ran in the preseason. They gave up on the run way too early on Sunday, and it cost them the game.

I agree, that was a large part of it. But even if they hadnt, the offense still wasnt likely to put up enough points to beat most teams. You should be able to score more than 17 against a banged up defense.

Quote:I agree, that was a large part of it. But even if they hadnt, the offense still wasnt likely to put up enough points to beat most teams. You should be able to score more than 17 against a banged up defense.

Running the ball would have produced more points than throwing it up 40 times.  The running game was working.

The other thing i would ask is this: how many of those "sustained" preseason drives resulted in touchdowns? It doesnt do you a lot of good to be settling for field goals all the time.

Quote:Running the ball would have produced more points than throwing it up 40 times. The running game was working.

I'm not saying that it wouldnt have, but we realisticallt werent scoring more than 17-20 on sunday

Quote:Sustained drives arent crap, im not debating that. That's how the pats and hawks go about their business, but their offenses are much more finely tuned (lots of experiencd, precise quarterbacks). It should still have a role, primarily when you have the lead.

But blake has already admitted to being most comfortable in the hurry up offense. You have to fit your scheme to your players, not the other way around. Look at how much success mariota had this weekend. They used a ton of shotgun. Is that what their coach ideally wants? No. But it's what the qb is comfortable executing. What you saw out of mariota on sunday wasnt just a fluke and poor defense, it was a good offensive gameplan

If you're having success running the ball, sustained drives are much easier to accomplish.  The team was running the ball at a 4+ YPC average against the Panthers.  They threw that out the window and focused on the short passing game, which takes ball control completely out of the equation. 

 

Mariota faced a defense that was about as bad as it gets.  It was a good outing for him with a very safe game plan that allowed him to avoid mistakes.  The Jaguars had the right game plan with the emphasis on the running game, especially after Kuechly left the game.  Instead, we did the exact opposite of what we should have been doing, doubling down on the rushing attack.  Maybe that was because Yeldon got dinged up, but they could have accomplished the same thing using Robinson and Pierce to pound the Panthers defense.

What i wouldnt give for a 30 yard touchdown run.... Theyre all to infrequent around here now a days

Quote:I'm not saying that it wouldnt have, but we realisticallt werent scoring more than 17-20 on sunday

There's no way to say that definitively.  Even with the passing game the way it was, had those receivers made the plays instead of dropping or fumbling, and our kicker made the kicks, coupled with a sustained commitment to the running game, the team could have scored at least 20 points.

Quote:If you're having success running the ball, sustained drives are much easier to accomplish. The team was running the ball at a 4+ YPC average against the Panthers. They threw that out the window and focused on the short passing game, which takes ball control completely out of the equation.


Mariota faced a defense that was about as bad as it gets. It was a good outing for him with a very safe game plan that allowed him to avoid mistakes. The Jaguars had the right game plan with the emphasis on the running game, especially after Kuechly left the game. Instead, we did the exact opposite of what we should have been doing, doubling down on the rushing attack. Maybe that was because Yeldon got dinged up, but they could have accomplished the same thing using Robinson and Pierce to pound the Panthers defense.

i don't think we're really in disagreement here at all tbh. I agree they should have run more, because it was working and would have opened up the downfield passing game a whole lot more. Balance is everything, and im with you, i hated all those short pass calls.

My main argument is that it would be nice to take more downfield shots on first down. And maybe utilize the hurry up a bit more. Obviously blake is very comfortable executing it.

And i think that's where some of this may fall on the qb. It's unlikely that a of those short passes didnt also involve deeper route combinations. If you settle for balancing runs with short passes, you're reeeeaallly letting the linebackers and safeties cheat by playing up

Quote:Below are all Head Coaches in each Super Bowl going back to 1996 (I got tired of researching).  The wins and losses are based off of their first 2 seasons with a team.  If they were head coaches of multiple teams during their career then I included the first 2 seasons of each team they coached.  The list is sorted by lowest winning percentage first.

 

Aside from Lovie Smith and Ken Whisenhunt who are in their 2nd season with new teams, every other coach that made it to the Super Bowl has started off better than Gus Bradley.

 
My question for the masses: Does anyone genuinely believe that Bradley can have this bad of a career start and then lead a team to the Super Bowl?

 

If you do believe so, please provide tangible evidence why.

 

Sweet list.


The guy directly below Bradley won the Super Bowl in 1999 by the way.

Quote:I get your point and agree the hits are on the low side but you have to count Marks, Davis, FA's Odrick and Brown

Great teams are built in the draft not FA, so in that regard Caldwell is a failure.

Quote:Sweet list.


The guy directly below Bradley won the Super Bowl in 1999 by the way.

They had at least 5 Hall of Famers on that Rams team.