Quote:so you would give us the edge over Sea at TE because we have more depth? Lol
Going into this game I give use the edge. They don't have WR's that we have to worry about and Olsen is the only threat. He's going to covered at all times, and because of that I think Marcedes, Harbor and Jacobs have the advantage. We aren't playing Seattle and it would be an entirely different conversation. If Thomas was healthy, I'd give us the edge against them no doubt. If he was hurt, we'd probably lose that battle because we'd have to worry about Lockett, Kearse, and Baldwin.
Quote:so you would give us the edge over Sea at TE because we have more depth? Lol
You could easily argue a healthy Thomas and Lewis is better than Graham and Wilson
Quote:I'm not sure how anyone cam put their o line as better than ours. Even if their gimpy center does play, the majority of their o line is mediocre
Wrong. Oher was great in the preseason but he remains the weak link. Trai Turner at LG and Andrew Norwell at RG made HUGE impact last season and lead to Stewart being the 2nd most effect RB in the league going down the stretch. RT Remmers was added midseason and played well. If Kalil misses the game,which I doubt, Remmers would move to C and rookie stand out Daryl Williams would play RT. It's only a matter of time before he takes the starting job from Remmers. This is the best our OL has been in years. Went from a huge concern last year to a strength this year.
Quote:Going into this game I give use the edge. They don't have WR's that we have to worry about and Olsen is the only threat. He's going to covered at all times, and because of that I think Marcedes, Harbor and Jacobs have the advantage. We aren't playing Seattle and it would be an entirely different conversation. If Thomas was healthy, I'd give us the edge against them no doubt. If he was hurt, we'd probably lose that battle because we'd have to worry about Lockett, Kearse, and Baldwin.
I give you guys the advantage at WR, but not at TE. Olsen did more in one season than all your guys combined. Ed Dickson wad a pleasant surprise down the stretch and the Panthers are going to use more 2 TE sets to offset the WR position.
Quote:At this very moment
QB - Car (If Bortles progresses throughout the season, I'd say he is the better passer. Bortles can run pretty good, but I don't think anyone scrambles better than Cam.)
RB - Jax ( TJ Yeldon, Denard Robinson, Gerhart and Pierce are all going to see carries and stay fresh)
TE - Jax (Yes, Olsen is an elite TE that is better individually, but we have more depth with Marcedes, Harbor, and Jacobs. Individually, if Thomas was playing he's the better play-maker.)
WR - Jax (I think Allen Robinson and Hurns are better than Ginn and Philly Brown.)
OL - Car (Our LT is a liability)
DL - Car (Marks will probably be out, Fowler ACL, Branch is out.)
LB - Car (If Luke wasn't playing i'd say Jax because of Telvin Smith and Paul Posluszny.)
DB - Jax ( Aaron Colvin, Demetrius McCray and Davon House are very promising. Shutdown OBJ and Antonio Brown. Norman is good, but the rest is iffy for you guys.)
ST - Jax (Corey Grant is an UDFA and has Jeff Demps speed. Look for him in the return game)
You can't think Oher is better.....
Quote:Thomas is out this game
Just saw the edit lol
I understand that. I was just saying if healthy you could argue we have a better TE group than Seattle. Current health? No.
Quote:Going into this game I give use the edge. They don't have WR's that we have to worry about and Olsen is the only threat. He's going to covered at all times, and because of that I think Marcedes, Harbor and Jacobs have the advantage. We aren't playing Seattle and it would be an entirely different conversation. If Thomas was healthy, I'd give us the edge against them no doubt. If he was hurt, we'd probably lose that battle because we'd have to worry about Lockett, Kearse, and Baldwin.
if Thomas was healthy, yes. I dont think this thread is about ifs
Quote:your TE and LB are clearly wrong. Olsen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lewis
and Carolina probaly has the best LB core in the league along with Bal.
Julius Thomas is an elite TE and is better than Olsen
Quote:You have to consider the OC change that brought about a philosophical change. Rod Chudzinski ran a very aggressive vertical attack offense that cashed in on big plays. With Smith, Shockey and Olsen Cam rewrote the rookie passing records. Ron wanted a heavier dose of running to rest the D and control TOP. Chud wasn't really willing to do that, was widely criticized by the players and was hired away after Cam's second season.
Panthers hired from within, unfortunately, and promoted QB coach Mike Shula. New GM cut Steve Smith, All Pro LT Jordan Gross retired, as did his running mate LG. Shula runs a very bland offense that relies on the run. Last year Cam started off really well until the wheels fell off the HS level OL and he was beat up.
Cam is learning how to win, not just put up gaudy stats. Oh what I wouldn't do to pair Cam and this defense with a competent OC.
Cam is not on the decline, we wouldn't have given him a 100 million dollar contract if he was. Gettleman didn't draft him and could have dumped him if he wanted to, but he locked him up instead.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on all counts here. The rookie records are really irrelevant, they were broken literally the next year, and Cam has regressed in all facets, it's not just an offensive philosophy change. Saying he's learning how to win is essentially saying he's not one of the elite QBs and that 100 million dollar contract was a major mistake. If "learning to win" means throwing for less yards, less TDs, and as many INTs as the year before then Cam is doing a great job of learning to win. I mean, he almost guided the panthers to .500 last year!
No, Cam is another Jay Cutler, he'll stick around, and you'll swear he's someone worth having around, but he'll always be someone you're having to make excuses for. I'm not seeing those things from Bortles, with Bortles he looks ready to join the top 10 QBs of the league and eventually higher. That's why I think the Jaguars should be able to win this game. I think the roster has enough strengths compared with the panthers that if Bortles plays up to his potential it should be a win for the Jaguars.
Quote:Just saw the edit lol
I understand that. I was just saying if healthy you could argue we have a better TE group than Seattle. Current health? No.
i agree, but im talking without Thomas. Im thinking he made this thread taking into account who is available. Otherwise i give our dline the edge with Fowler and Marks
Quote:Julius Thomas is an elite TE and is better than Olsen
Thomas isnt playing in this game, keep up
Quote:if Thomas was healthy, yes. I dont think this thread is about ifs
I never said it was an if. My reasoning and my opinion is why I think we have the advantage at TE against Carolina. I think they have a better individual TE, but I think our group will do more. Against Seattle, I just told you we would probably lose the battle because of the WR's we'd have to worry about. I also said if we had Thomas, it would change that and we'd have the edge. Reading comprehension skills are great to have. People lack that on this message board.
Quote:Julius Thomas is an elite TE and is better than Olsen
it says in the OP, "count who is available week 1"
Quote:I never said it was an if. My reasoning and my opinion is why I think we have the advantage at TE against Carolina. I think they have a better individual TE, but I think our group will do more. Against Seattle, I just told you we would probably lose the battle because of the WR's we'd have to worry about. I also said if we had Thomas, it would change that and we'd have the edge. Reading comprehension skills are great to have. People lack that on this message board.
They are, if you paid attention in school you would probably have some!!!!
Quote:They are, if you paid attention in school you would probably have some!!!!
Haha, saying that back to me because you didn't understand it the first time. I gave an opinion on both scenarios for Seattle. We lose if Thomas is hurt, and we have the advantage if he's not.
Carolina has the better individual player, but due to their WR situation, I think our group has the advantage. Now tell me where I played the "if" game.
Quote:Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on all counts here. The rookie records are really irrelevant, they were broken literally the next year, and Cam has regressed in all facets, it's not just an offensive philosophy change. Saying he's learning how to win is essentially saying he's not one of the elite QBs and that 100 million dollar contract was a major mistake. If "learning to win" means throwing for less yards, less TDs, and as many INTs as the year before then Cam is doing a great job of learning to win. I mean, he almost guided the panthers to .500 last year!
No, Cam is another Jay Cutler, he'll stick around, and you'll swear he's someone worth having around, but he'll always be someone you're having to make excuses for. I'm not seeing those things from Bortles, with Bortles he looks ready to join the top 10 QBs of the league and eventually higher. That's why I think the Jaguars should be able to win this game. I think the roster has enough strengths compared with the panthers that if Bortles plays up to his potential it should be a win for the Jaguars.
Yeah I wasn't saying Cam is elite or even very good, he is efficient enough to win 10-12 games per year with a solid group around him. I see him as a DG clone, he does turn it over a bit more overall but he is good enough to win(top 16 QB) I don't pretend to know if he is regressing or progressing but he plays well enough to win games in the NFL @ QB and thats a rarity. Its not clear, but if I had to guess he isn't regressing at year 4/5 of his career. I still think Carolina has the edge there for now, but at years end it will be getting clear what we have here in J'ville. I am exited to see what our guys can do and I expect a win this Sunday.
Quote:Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on all counts here. The rookie records are really irrelevant, they were broken literally the next year, and Cam has regressed in all facets, it's not just an offensive philosophy change. Saying he's learning how to win is essentially saying he's not one of the elite QBs and that 100 million dollar contract was a major mistake. If "learning to win" means throwing for less yards, less TDs, and as many INTs as the year before then Cam is doing a great job of learning to win. I mean, he almost guided the panthers to .500 last year!
No, Cam is another Jay Cutler, he'll stick around, and you'll swear he's someone worth having around, but he'll always be someone you're having to make excuses for. I'm not seeing those things from Bortles, with Bortles he looks ready to join the top 10 QBs of the league and eventually higher. That's why I think the Jaguars should be able to win this game. I think the roster has enough strengths compared with the panthers that if Bortles plays up to his potential it should be a win for the Jaguars.
What potential?? You guys had the worst qb in the NFL last year. Even Cam with a broken back and crushed ribs fresh off of ankle surgery outplayed him. The guy is trash. All of a sudden he has ONE decent half of preseason football and he's ready to be a top 10 quarterback?? Stop it!