Well, Colvin got hurt in February or January and was able to start practicing week 10 or so??? I would guess it's possible, we will need Fowler during our postseason/super bowl run.
Quote:This would give him a good 7 months from the time the injury occurred until he'd need to be activated.
Sen'derrick Marks tore his ACL on December 28, 2014. His stated goal (
link) is to return to practice the week before the season opener, which would peg him at September 7th, roughly. That's about eight months and two weeks removed from his ACL tear, and even that date is still considered questionable.
There's no way,
no way that Fowler will be recovered enough to safely take the field in week 14. Even if he was, what would the point be? If we're still in the playoff hunt, we were good enough to get there without him, and we might as well let him fully recover while Clemons, Branch and Davis handle it. If we're out of the playoff hunt, why would any sane coach risk sending him out there on a knee that isn't fully recovered? Would you risk a second ACL tear just to get him some meaningless reps in meaningless games?
If Fowler is on the 53-man, all he is is dead weight that could be going to an extra receiver, DB, special teamer, whatever. Let him sit the year out and rebuild his knee, then come back next offseason and give the team the equivalent of a second first-round pick in 2016.
Quote:I assumed you were joking... but it appears you were 100% serious. Alright
Explain to me the risk in signing Aldon Smith, you won't be able to because there is no risk.
Quote:Explain to me the risk in signing Aldon Smith, you won't be able to because there is no risk.
Well, for one, he's not eligible to put on an NFL uniform right now, and he may not be again for a very long time...
Seriously, the risk of signing Aldon Smith is that he kills someone driving drunk, or he stabs someone, or he trashes a teammate's car, or he yells "bomb" in an airport. The dude's an idiot and a sociopath. We don't need any of those in the locker room.
Quote:Well, for one, he's not eligible to put on an NFL uniform right now, and he may not be again for a very long time...
Seriously, the risk of signing Aldon Smith is that he kills someone driving drunk, or he stabs someone, or he trashes a teammate's car, or he yells "bomb" in an airport. The dude's an idiot and a sociopath. We don't need any of those in the locker room.
If that's the case then the team should've/would've cut Justin Blackmon by now, there's a reason they haven't, it's the same reason the Browns won't cut Josh Gordon, there's no downside in keeping those young talented players on the roster even in a suspended status.
He is on the shelf until next year. The risk vs. reward of his return this season is too high.
Regards...................the Chiefjag
Quote:Well, for one, he's not eligible to put on an NFL uniform right now, and he may not be again for a very long time...
Seriously, the risk of signing Aldon Smith is that he kills someone driving drunk, or he stabs someone, or he trashes a teammate's car, or he yells "bomb" in an airport. The dude's an idiot and a sociopath. We don't need any of those in the locker room.
When did he stab someone? I'm pretty sure that never happened, I understand the man has some issues and needs help, there's no denying that. Whatever team signs him will certainly understand he's a lottery ticket, if he gets the help he needs you have a guy that can single handedly sack the opposing QB 15-20 times a year, if he doesn't get help that team
should be able to get out of that contract without any financial repercussions.
Quote:He is on the shelf until next year. The risk vs. reward of his return this season is too high.
Regards...................the Chiefjag
Chief, he's certainly not playing this year, whatever team signs him understands that it's a long term investment. You'd sign him hoping he can get his life together this year with the hopes he returns to the field in 2016.
Quote:If that's the case then the team should've/would've cut Justin Blackmon by now, there's a reason they haven't, it's the same reason the Browns won't cut Josh Gordon, there's no downside in keeping those young talented players on the roster even in a suspended status.
This issue with Justin seems to be more of a substance issue. That's something that can be over come and really doesn't hurt people other than himself. Aldon on the other hands seems to have issues with society. Possibly killing a person in an accident after drinking ( seriously screaming bomb in an airport post 9/11 seems like he is out of touch with today's reality). The risk is a backlash to the image and good will the franchise been building a vet the past fe years. I also don't feel the culture is strong enough yet to whip him into shape (like Brady and Bill did with Moss and even then they had to ship him out after the fact).
We may bring him to our young team and he may completely disrupt everything. What if this guy was to take Fowler under his wing??? I'll pass on that scenario. Now Irvin is an interesting idea but the thing is Caldwell got us to were we are now with calculated risks and using a concept of initial heavy investments for a big, long term gain. We aren't quite to the point were we should risk passing on another Telvin or Linder to get a guy in the final year of his contract who has been solid but not elite.
I thought this thread was about Fowler.
Regards...............the Chiefjag
Quote:If that's the case then the team should've/would've cut Justin Blackmon by now, there's a reason they haven't, it's the same reason the Browns won't cut Josh Gordon, there's no downside in keeping those young talented players on the roster even in a suspended status.
The team hasn't cut Blackmon because they want to recover a portion of his signing bonus.
Quote:When did he stab someone? I'm pretty sure that never happened, I understand the man has some issues and needs help, there's no denying that. Whatever team signs him will certainly understand he's a lottery ticket, if he gets the help he needs you have a guy that can single handedly sack the opposing QB 15-20 times a year, if he doesn't get help that team should be able to get out of that contract without any financial repercussions.
My mistake, Smith did not stab someone, he was stabbed himself trying to break up a fight. He was, though, found to be in possession of three illegal assault rifles as a result of that incident, and plead guilty to three felonies.
A guy has his party crashed by gang members who get in a fight, then it's revealed that he had illegal assault rifles in the house...hmmm...I wonder what he's mixed up in.
Quote:The team hasn't cut Blackmon because they want to recover a portion of his signing bonus.
My mistake, Smith did not stab someone, he was stabbed himself trying to break up a fight. He was, though, found to be in possession of three illegal assault rifles as a result of that incident, and plead guilty to three felonies.
A guy has his party crashed by gang members who get in a fight, then it's revealed that he had illegal assault rifles in the house...hmmm...I wonder what he's mixed up in.
Again, I'm not denying the guy has some issues, I'd sign with the
hopes he solves those issues and returns to the field as a productive player.
Revisiting Fowler, I still would rather have had Williams or Cooper.
Maybe he'll salvage it next season.
Either way, I'm sure we're bringing in help at the position. We have to. NYG wrote the blueprint. Keep drafting rushers. You're going to need them.
Quote:This issue with Justin seems to be more of a substance issue. That's something that can be over come and really doesn't hurt people other than himself. Aldon on the other hands seems to have issues with society. Possibly killing a person in an accident after drinking ( seriously screaming bomb in an airport post 9/11 seems like he is out of touch with today's reality). The risk is a backlash to the image and good will the franchise been building a vet the past fe years. I also don't feel the culture is strong enough yet to whip him into shape (like Brady and Bill did with Moss and even then they had to ship him out after the fact).
We may bring him to our young team and he may completely disrupt everything. What if this guy was to take Fowler under his wing??? I'll pass on that scenario. Now Irvin is an interesting idea but the thing is Caldwell got us to were we are now with calculated risks and using a concept of initial heavy investments for a big, long term gain. We aren't quite to the point were we should risk passing on another Telvin or Linder to get a guy in the final year of his contract who has been solid but not elite.
Backlash from who? The fans? In the words of Bill Polian if you listen to the fans you'll be sitting there with them. At the end of the day this team needs to find good football players (particularly edge rushers) anyway they possibly can, whether that be through the draft, free agency, or trades. If the Jaguars select a player in the 3rd or 4th round of next years draft of Bruce Irvin's caliber they'd be ecstatic, why not trade for him if that's all it cost? Aldon Smith is a lottery ticket, if the guy gets his life together you have one of the most dominant edge rushers in the game, if he doesn't then you cut him, it's simple risk vs reward. The Cowboy fans didn't give Jerry Jones a hard time for signing a woman beater in Greg Hardy, the Redskin fans didn't give Daniel Snyder a hard time for signing a woman beater in Junior Gallette, I doubt competent Jaguar fans will be upset if David Caldwell decides to sign Aldon Smith, sure the guy has had some substance abuse problems but his character is a hell of a lot better than the last two guys I mentioned.
Quote:Backlash from who? The fans? In the words of Bill Polian if you listen to the fans you'll be sitting there with them. At the end of the day this team needs to find good football players (particularly edge rushers) anyway they possibly can, whether that be through the draft, free agency, or trades. If the Jaguars select a player in the 3rd or 4th round of next years draft of Bruce Irvin's caliber they'd be ecstatic, why not trade for him if that's all it cost? Aldon Smith is a lottery ticket, if the guy gets his life together you have one of the most dominant edge rushers in the game, if he doesn't then you cut him, it's simple risk vs reward. The Cowboy fans didn't give Jerry Jones a hard time for signing a woman beater in Greg Hardy, the Redskin fans didn't give Daniel Snyder a hard time for signing a woman beater in Junior Gallette, I doubt competent Jaguar fans will be upset if David Caldwell decides to sign Aldon Smith.
Ok man. It's not happening. This guy likely never plays for anybody, and if he does it probably wont be at a high level.
Quote:Revisiting Fowler, I still would rather have had Williams or Cooper.
Maybe he'll salvage it next season.
Either way, I'm sure we're bringing in help at the position. We have to. NYG wrote the blueprint. Keep drafting rushers. You're going to need them.
Williams and Cooper have looked good so far, I do think Dante Fowler will be a dominant force off the edge once he turns to full health. Men that big don't move that well, he's a freak athlete and has a chance to be a force in the league for a long time.