Quote:Because they don't instantly go from 63% to ready to supplant a guy who's been money for 10+ years. I've said all along that if Myers wins it, he wins it, but too many here are ready to anoint him because he has a big leg and is younger than Scobee.
It's like rocket surgery to some folks.
Quote:Hayden Epstein, Tim Seder, Richie Cunningham, Danny Boyd and Seth Marler were all worth about a dime each, so maybe?
Ahhhh. Richie Cunningham, those were happy days.
Quote:Ahhhh. Richie Cunningham, those were happy days.
More like happy day. Amiright?
Kickers might be a dime a dozen, but Kickers that lead the franchise in scoring are not.... Scobee isn't going anywhere but the Ring of Honor.
Quote:Because they don't instantly go from 63% to ready to supplant a guy who's been money for 10+ years. I've said all along that if Myers wins it, he wins it, but too many here are ready to anoint him because he has a big leg and is younger than Scobee.
If Scobee was 40 then I could understand, but he's 33, which isn't at all old for a kicker. I'm not quick to replace a reliable leg that likely has a 6+ years left of good football.
No one is trying to push Scobee out the door, and personally it's not really that big of an issue for me.
I just think it's silly to judge any player that is now in a pro camp based on his college production.
Will he instantly get better? No. But he didn't leave the college field yesterday either. If he was still a 63% kicker then I find it hard to believe the Jaguars would be wasting a camp spot on him, let alone give him time in preseason games. Certainly other kickers we've had in camp didn't get that opportunity.
Also he's at 75% right now with the Jaguars, with two attempts comings from 55+ yards. How it's not obvious he's had at least a little bit of development since college is beyond me.
Quote:No one is trying to push Scobee out the door, and personally it's not really that big of an issue for me.
I just think it's silly to judge any player that is now in a pro camp based on his college production.
Will he instantly get better? No. But he didn't leave the college field yesterday either. If he was still a 63% kicker then I find it hard to believe the Jaguars would be wasting a camp spot on him, let alone give him time in preseason games. Certainly other kickers we've had in camp didn't get that opportunity.
Also he's at 75% right now with the Jaguars, with two attempts comings from 55+ yards. How it's not obvious he's had at least a little bit of development since college is beyond me.
He may have improved since college, but he doesn't have the body of work to prove he can be a consistant kicker in the NFL. Definitely not enough to show he is better than an established kicker with 55+ yard NFL game winners on his resume.
Teams bring in camp legs every year and a lot of it is just to have a strong leg to get enough reps in for all the guys practicing kick returns. They always allow them to get reps in games. You never know when you may need a kicker on your roster so it doesn't hurt to get a full evaluation of the player.
Quote:It's like rocket surgery to some folks.
Is that another term for ***** Enhancement?
hey .... why doesn't the word ***** get blocked out? I had to go back and edit.
Quote:Five pages on a kicker.
At least we're arguing about the kicker instead of openly questioning whether our starting QB will ever progress through his reads instead of running scared as soon as he says, "hike."
Quote:He may have improved since college, but he doesn't have the body of work to prove he can be a consistant kicker in the NFL. Definitely not enough to show he is better than an established kicker with 55+ yard NFL game winners on his resume.
Teams bring in camp legs every year and a lot of it is just to have a strong leg to get enough reps in for all the guys practicing kick returns. They always allow them to get reps in games. You never know when you may need a kicker on your roster so it doesn't hurt to get a full evaluation of the player.
If "body of work" is your criteria for who wins the job...then there is no real "competition" here. Josh will win it, based on your definition. Myers could kick 60 yarders every pre-season and it wouldn't matter to you because of "body of work"
He outkicks Josh in scrimmage and its "let's see about pre-season".
Now, pre-season and if he outkicks him still? "Well, its only pre-season. Can he do it for regular season?"
Uh, there's only one way to find out. If you don't trust your ST coaches judgment that this kid can continue this play (based on his mechanics, leg strength, demeanor, etc), then you don't roll the dice.
I mean, people talk about "body of work" and cite Myers past. Why aren't they doing the same for Josh, who had a less than stellar year last year? Would you sign MJD as a starter based on his first 8 years in the league rather than his last two (or whatever the actual breakdown is)?
Of course not. No, you evaluate them for who they are now.
Josh is still reliable, but let's not forget that he didn't have a "great" year last season, and what would have been a GW kick that was blocked, got a "maybe it was too low" comment from the HC.
Quote:I mean, people talk about "body of work" and cite Myers past. Why aren't they doing the same for Josh, who had a less than stellar year last year?
Scobee didn't have a stellar season last year, and his approach seemed rushed late in the year. That cost him some FGs. In the previous three years, though, he was a combined 71-of-78, 91% accuracy.
In fairness, though, did you see the line he was playing behind last year? How Mike Mallory kept his job I will never understand.
Quote:Scobee didn't have a stellar season last year, and his approach seemed rushed late in the year. That cost him some FGs. In the previous three years, though, he was a combined 71-of-78, 91% accuracy.
In fairness, though, did you see the line he was playing behind last year? How Mike Mallory kept his job I will never understand.
There's some things that weren't great last season in ST, I agree. And how Mallory kept his job, I will never know. But...what really changed this season? Supposedly our OL is better which would help in blocking, but watch the kicks that were blocked. They weren't coming up the middle. It was off the edge whether a guy got just flat out beat or missed an assignment, only the coaches know which one.
Now go watch Josh's kick against the Giants and look at its trajectory (looked a bit low to me). Then look at that free rusher on the right (josh's right side) that was just a step too slow to get there.
IMO, that's the exact same formula that we saw last season.
Quote:Myers exp will come scobee is getting more injury prone due to age and is losing power this is an easy decision I see them messing up
If they can decipher the grammatical stance of the recommendation, perhaps they won't. I hope they can't...
Quote:If "body of work" is your criteria for who wins the job...then there is no real "competition" here. Josh will win it, based on your definition. Myers could kick 60 yarders every pre-season and it wouldn't matter to you because of "body of work"
He outkicks Josh in scrimmage and its "let's see about pre-season".
Now, pre-season and if he outkicks him still? "Well, its only pre-season. Can he do it for regular season?"
Uh, there's only one way to find out. If you don't trust your ST coaches judgment that this kid can continue this play (based on his mechanics, leg strength, demeanor, etc), then you don't roll the dice.
I mean, people talk about "body of work" and cite Myers past. Why aren't they doing the same for Josh, who had a less than stellar year last year? Would you sign MJD as a starter based on his first 8 years in the league rather than his last two (or whatever the actual breakdown is)?
Of course not. No, you evaluate them for who they are now.
Josh is still reliable, but let's not forget that he didn't have a "great" year last season, and what would have been a GW kick that was blocked, got a "maybe it was too low" comment from the HC.
this, it's obviously "rocket surgery" for some folks
As of right now I would go with Scobee, but there are still 2 pre season games left and college stats has nothing to do with picking who wins the job
Quote:No, it's about two kickers... and two kickers who appear to be among the best in the game.
Wow. A guy in his first NFL training camp is among the best in the game. Wow.
Some interesting notes on Myers...
His career is very similar to Scobee's. Scobee was a former soccer player who began kicking his senior year of high school. Myers is a former soccer player who began kicking his junior year of high school.
While his 63 percent rate out of college is a tad lower than Scobee's 71 percent out of college, Myers is not exactly fresh out of college. His senior year was back in 2012, so he's had considerable time to develop since.
In 2014 he played in the Arena League for the San Jose Sabercats, and might still be in the Arena League having already signed a contract with the Arizona Rattlers had the Jaguars not signed him. I tried to find some stats for him, but was only able to verify that he played for the Sabercats. Nich Pertuit was the Sabercats' primary kicker in 2014.
He caught scout's eyes by nailing deep FGs in this past year's combine. He also has several impressive Youtube videos.