Who should the Jaguars have taken instead of Joeckel at #2?

 

Ezekiel Ansah wouldn't have been a bad selection.  He had 8 sacks as a rookie and has 5.5 this year.

 

Overall the top of that draft...woof. 

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Ezekiel Ansah wouldn't have been a bad selection. He had 8 sacks as a rookie and has 5.5 this year.


Overall the top of that draft...woof.

The entire first round was terrible. I'm looking at the list now and there's maybe 5 picks out of 32 that you can say have lived up to their draft stock. And that's pushing it.

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Who should the Jaguars have taken instead of Joeckel at #2?

 

It was really just a pretty bad draft, probably one of the worst drafts ever.

 

When it just doesn't appear to be a good draft, usually drafting an OL who was pretty good in college is the safest way to go, and that's what the Jags did.

 

You can't fault them for that, they played it safe, but so far, Luke just hasn't played up to what you would hope for a #2 pick.

 

I know he was injured last year and changed positions, but still.

 

Maybe he gets better with time, that's really all we can hope for right now.

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

Well he did get 3 wins last season against the only two teams in the league drafting before the Jaguars, and Toby Gerhart wanted to sign here because he's so awesome, and getting blue chip guys to sign here is one of those big strengths of Gus.

 

Plus he has the strength of conviction to stick with a plan. You don't see him coming out of halftime changing everything around like some kind of flip-flopper, no sir, if it wasn't working in the first half, damn it, he'll just keep doing it in the second half because he has the strength of conviction to believe it will work in the second half!

 

Plus when he sees a call he doesn't like, he'll challenge it. It doesn't matter if the challenge has no chance of succeeding, because damn it, it's not about what actually happened on the play, it's about hoping maybe the referee will finally feel sorry enough for him to go ahead and overturn the call in spite of the reality of it.

 

You're welcome to your opinion on the first 2 points.  You're embarrassingly wrong on the last one, however.  Gus Bradley's lifetime challenge record is 8-3 or roughly 73% when he challenges a call, it gets overturned.

 

Arians? 7-4 or roughly 64% overturn rate.

 

Belichick?  95-39 or roughly 71% overturn rate.

 

Carroll? 40-19 or roughly 68% overturn rate.

 

Coughlin? 103-50 or roughly 67% overturn rate.

 

Jim Harbaugh? 32-12 or roughly 73% overturn rate.

 

John Harbaugh? 66-30 or roughly 69% overturn rate.

 

Chip Kelly? 9-5 or roughly 64% overturn rate.

 

Sean Payton? 70-29 or roughly 71% overturn rate.

 

Andy Reid? 92-44 or roughly 68% overturn rate.

 

Mike Tomlin? 47-25 or roughly 65% overturn rate.

 

 

Carry on with the rest of your "rabble rabble" though.  

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... Luke just hasn't played up to what you would hope for a #2 pick.

 

I know he was injured last year and changed positions, but still.

 

Maybe he gets better with time, that's really all we can hope for right now.

 

I agree with this, but I tend to think the injury set him back more than we might think.

I'm begrudgingly withholding judgement till he can have a healthy  offseason to (hopefully) prepare to take on NFL D-ends. 

 

The Linder and Bowanko picks are at least making me feel like Caldwell will eventually get a strong line put together.  Whether Luke is a part of the equation long term or not. Just can't seem to happen soon enough...

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It was really just a pretty bad draft, probably one of the worst drafts ever.

 

When it just doesn't appear to be a good draft, usually drafting an OL who was pretty good in college is the safest way to go, and that's what the Jags did.

 

You can't fault them for that, they played it safe, but so far, Luke just hasn't played up to what you would hope for a #2 pick.

 

I know he was injured last year and changed positions, but still.

 

Maybe he gets better with time, that's really all we can hope for right now.

I agree. Caldwell did what he could. Caldwell is safe, I have no doubt about that. Bradley and his staff are the red flags.

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"next year... next year... next year"

 

Should be the Jags slogan.

Someone has had this in their Sig for a long time, and I am trying to remember who it was. I don't think they post on the new board as much.

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Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

well what is supposed to happen in 2015?  

 

Playoffs?  

 

6 wins?

 

What exactly should we be looking forward to in 2015?

The rebuild part 3.5?

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Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

Yes this year sucks. Its a disappointment. But in reality we are better than last year. Last year the games that we won the other team killed themselves with turnovers and penalties. That team did not play like a 4 win team. This year is the opposite. We are killing ourselves with stupid penalties and turnovers and are better than a 1 win team, at this point. 

 

This offseason the team will go on a spending spree. Khan said as much during a recent interview in London. We have the most cap room in the league, and are going to be forced to spend it. With an influx of another 3 pro bowlers maybe, experience for all the young players, and another top 5 pick draft class along with Justin Blackmon returning, this team will be ready to give the fans something to watch every weekend.

 

The past two years have been painful, and it could have been a lot less painful if the team went out and spent a bit in free agency. But what would it have been for? to go 6-10 instead of 4-12 or 3-13? Who cares about that? Better to have the young players get experience, and then bring in difference makers in FA when the team is ready to compete.

 

The offense this year is playing with so much youth, probably an unprecedented amount. That is obviously not good for this year, but well help TONS in 2015. Thats what the past 2 years have been about. 2015. Direct your anger at Gene Smith for leaving the roster with ZERO difference makers, and forcing Caldwell to basically replicate an expansion team without the extra draft picks. If the team was ready to compete before 2015 Caldwell would have spent accordingly, but they were not. 

 

Those calling for everyone being fired need to stop. You have no clue what youre talking about. If you want to do that in November of 2015, go ahead. But doing so right now is moronic. 

 

At 1-9 in Gus Bradley's tenure as a first time Head Coach, you should expect fans to be calling for his termination.  The thing is people (including myself) love this guy's personality and realize he does know how to coach football.  I think the problem is he hasnt truly made that leap from DC to HC.  He has to delegate and demand results.  He has to get the team motivated to execute the playbook they had planned, and to let go those players that fail to meet up to expectations. 

On the other hand we have to realize that this is a very young team, and that the team Dave & Gus took over two years ago stunk.  They have been rebuilding with the draft & using Free Agency to plug some wholes but it hasnt worked out as fast as they had first thought.  The thing is you have to evaluate the guys they drafted last year and see how well they progressed (and the rookies this year), if you feel that the players that were drafted last year & this year are doing good and have potential to do great than dont fear.

On the other hand if you feel they are regressing or over hyped... then you have to worry about the state of the franchise now and in the future.

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Ezekiel Ansah wouldn't have been a bad selection.  He had 8 sacks as a rookie and has 5.5 this year.

 

Overall the top of that draft...woof. 

 

He might have been a better pick, but he's not having a JJ Watt kind of impact where it's clear he's a superior player and would shine in any situation.

 

Really it just was a weak draft. Joeckel might not turn out to be a great player, but I don't think the Jaguars were wrong to select him.

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You're welcome to your opinion on the first 2 points.  You're embarrassingly wrong on the last one, however.  Gus Bradley's lifetime challenge record is 8-3 or roughly 73% when he challenges a call, it gets overturned.

 

Arians? 7-4 or roughly 64% overturn rate.

 

Belichick?  95-39 or roughly 71% overturn rate.

 

Carroll? 40-19 or roughly 68% overturn rate.

 

Coughlin? 103-50 or roughly 67% overturn rate.

 

Jim Harbaugh? 32-12 or roughly 73% overturn rate.

 

John Harbaugh? 66-30 or roughly 69% overturn rate.

 

Chip Kelly? 9-5 or roughly 64% overturn rate.

 

Sean Payton? 70-29 or roughly 71% overturn rate.

 

Andy Reid? 92-44 or roughly 68% overturn rate.

 

Mike Tomlin? 47-25 or roughly 65% overturn rate.

 

 

Carry on with the rest of your "rabble rabble" though.  

 

That's great, but you really seem to be putting in a lot of effort to defend the guy.

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That's great, but you really seem to be putting in a lot of effort to defend the guy.

 

Careful now, your credibility is at risk.  When you get smacked down by facts, it's usually a better option to show that you can admit when you are wrong about something rather than to try to spin it back into a half-hearted attack on the person that exposed you as a guy that will say anything (even things that aren't even close to being true) to support a position he's emotionally invested in (Gus's failure).  It should call into question pretty much every point you try to make and your motive for it going forward for those you hope to influence here.

 

Finding statistics on pro-football-reference.com doesn't take much effort, for what it's worth.  And it was actually an interesting exercise.  Imagine my surprise after looking up Gus's challenge record and finding it to be acceptable to then find that he's got one of the best overturn rates in the league compared to what many consider the cream of the crop of coaches.  I believe Ron Rivera has the highest among active coaches at 81%.  You don't have to like Gus as a head coach, I'm not saying that.  He hasn't been perfect, but know that not everything is doom and gloom as you tried to paint it.  As I mentioned above, it reveals how emotionally invested in his failure you are when you do that.  And why, as a fan, would you allow yourself to get emotionally invested in any type of failure for this team?   

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Careful now, your credibility is at risk.  When you get smacked down by facts, it's usually a better option to show that you can admit when you are wrong about something rather than to try to spin it back into a half-hearted attack on the person that exposed you as a guy that will say anything (even things that aren't even close to being true) to support a position he's emotionally invested in (Gus's failure).  It should call into question pretty much every point you try to make and your motive for it going forward for those you hope to influence here.

 

Finding statistics on pro-football-reference.com doesn't take much effort, for what it's worth.  And it was actually an interesting exercise.  Imagine my surprise after looking up Gus's challenge record and finding it to be acceptable to then find that he's got one of the best overturn rates in the league compared to what many consider the cream of the crop of coaches.  I believe Ron Rivera has the highest among active coaches at 81%.  You don't have to like Gus as a head coach, I'm not saying that.  He hasn't been perfect, but know that not everything is doom and gloom as you tried to paint it.  As I mentioned above, it reveals how emotionally invested in his failure you are when you do that.  And why, as a fan, would you allow yourself to get emotionally invested in any type of failure for this team?   

 

You still seem pretty invested in this.

 

Good job, though, you looked up challenge stats and showed that his tendency toward making challenges that have no chance of reversal are a recent phenomenon.

 

Really, though, my emotional investment in Gus is zero either way. My emotional investment is as a fan of the Jaguars team. If you want to argue that Gus isn't as bad as I think he is that's your prerogative, but you won't convince me of it. Gus will be the one that has to do the convincing.

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You still seem pretty invested in this.

 

Good job, though, you looked up challenge stats and showed that his tendency toward making challenges that have no chance of reversal are a recent phenomenon.

 

Really, though, my emotional investment in Gus is zero either way. My emotional investment is as a fan of the Jaguars team. If you want to argue that Gus isn't as bad as I think he is that's your prerogative, but you won't convince me of it. Gus will be the one that has to do the convincing.

 

I'm invested in finding the truth.  He's 1-1 on challenges this year.  I handed you the tool in pro-football-reference.com to be able to educate yourself and maybe you could even find stats to back up some of your other points, but you're still interested in forwarding what could only be described as a lie?  1-1 equals a recent phenomenon to you?  Even people that might agree with your overall premise have to see you for what you are in this exchange.  To say the least, you're not very good at this.

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I'm invested in finding the truth.  He's 1-1 on challenges this year.  I handed you the tool in pro-football-reference.com to be able to educate yourself and maybe you could even find stats to back up some of your other points, but you're still interested in forwarding what could only be described as a lie?  1-1 equals a recent phenomenon to you?  Even people that might agree with your overall premise have to see you for what you are in this exchange.  To say the least, you're not very good at this.

 

The reason his stats appear better than they are is because several of his challenges ended up not being his challenges due to the circumstances of the game such as occurring on a turnover or within 2 minutes of the end of half, thus he was saved from the stat even though he threw, or was about to throw the challenge flag.

 

As for tools, I don't need your help finding sports statistics, I appreciate your desire to be helpful but it's wholly unnecessary. If you don't have any emotional investment in trying to defend Gus then you should just go ahead and let go of your desire to convince me.

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The reason his stats appear better than they are is because several of his challenges ended up not being his challenges due to the circumstances of the game such as occurring on a turnover or within 2 minutes of the end of half, thus he was saved from the stat even though he threw, or was about to throw the challenge flag.

 

 

:teehee:  This is fun.  I'd like to continue, but I think we're done here.

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:teehee:  This is fun.  I'd like to continue, but I think we're done here.

 

Done? Nothing even started.

 

Gus is bad.

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and the regime before that? "Next year... gotta let Blaine play a full season... Alualu will be good he just needs to get healthy."

 

I'm not saying this team will be just like that but so far, it looks like a broken record. I like Blake but I don't know about Bradley.

The regime before that is the reason THIS regime had to start from scratch, last year.

 

SMH.... some people just don't get it.

 

I understand the frustration of "rebuilding for 7 years"

But we got a complete overhaul instead of silly patches and poor draft picks.

 

The last regime has very few draft picks rostered. The last regime has very few free agents rostered.

Our current regime has had a couple dozen draft picks and a handful of free agents in a season and a half.

 

What is so hard to understand about it?

We have a roster unlike many in the NFL. Full of very young players. Some will pan out, some will not, and this regime needs to continue adding and subtracting until TALENT is abundant enough to win more than a handful of games. 

You can not fault the current staff because of the fallacies of the former.

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lol 8 wins, the Jags couldn't get 8 wins next year if all they played was the Bucs, Raiders and tacks over and over for ALL 16 games.

Lol!!


Well, next year the Jags should have a ridiculously easy schedule (I know, it changes year to year). They play AFCE and NFCS I'm pretty sure. So, as it sits now, The Jags actually do play:


Raiders (last place AFCW team)

Bucs

Jets

Titans

Titans


Texans

Texans

Bills

Dolphins

Panthers

Falcons

Saints

(Last place AFCN team,, I still think it'll be the Browns)


Colts

Colts

Patriots


Really, it doesn't get more ridiculous than that. Regardless of the roster circumstances, the Jags should be expected to win some games. If they fail again next year, well,,,,,,, idk

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