Yes this year sucks. Its a disappointment. But in reality we are better than last year. Last year the games that we won the other team killed themselves with turnovers and penalties. That team did not play like a 4 win team. This year is the opposite. We are killing ourselves with stupid penalties and turnovers and are better than a 1 win team, at this point. 

 

This offseason the team will go on a spending spree. Khan said as much during a recent interview in London. We have the most cap room in the league, and are going to be forced to spend it. With an influx of another 3 pro bowlers maybe, experience for all the young players, and another top 5 pick draft class along with Justin Blackmon returning, this team will be ready to give the fans something to watch every weekend.

 

The past two years have been painful, and it could have been a lot less painful if the team went out and spent a bit in free agency. But what would it have been for? to go 6-10 instead of 4-12 or 3-13? Who cares about that? Better to have the young players get experience, and then bring in difference makers in FA when the team is ready to compete.

 

The offense this year is playing with so much youth, probably an unprecedented amount. That is obviously not good for this year, but well help TONS in 2015. Thats what the past 2 years have been about. 2015. Direct your anger at Gene Smith for leaving the roster with ZERO difference makers, and forcing Caldwell to basically replicate an expansion team without the extra draft picks. If the team was ready to compete before 2015 Caldwell would have spent accordingly, but they were not. 

 

Those calling for everyone being fired need to stop. You have no clue what youre talking about. If you want to do that in November of 2015, go ahead. But doing so right now is moronic. 

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"next year... next year... next year"

 

Should be the Jags slogan.

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"next year... next year... next year"


Should be the Jags slogan.

Ever since this regime took over the slogan has always been "2015". We just became expectant too early

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I'm not placing any bets on 2015.  I think that is a myth.  We have not seen anything this year to indicate next year is going to be a watershed moment for our team.

 

We are a bottom 10 team and unlike the teams in the bottom with us, we are inexperienced.  Frankly I am not expecting much out of this team.  I think everything is subpar and I do not like what the coaches are doing.  Will more talent and experience help?  That remains to be seen.  And considering I don't sit in the front office or the coaching rooms, I'll have to wait and see.

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Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

"next year... next year... next year"

 

Should be the Jags slogan.

 

The slogan for this regime has been 2015. Maybe you just havent realized that. Unless you expected a team full of rookies to beat playoff teams. 

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Ever since this regime took over the slogan has always been "2015". We just became expectant too early

and the regime before that? "Next year... gotta let Blaine play a full season... Alualu will be good he just needs to get healthy."

 

I'm not saying this team will be just like that but so far, it looks like a broken record. I like Blake but I don't know about Bradley.

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Yes this year sucks. Its a disappointment. But in reality we are better than last year. Last year the games that we won the other team killed themselves with turnovers and penalties. That team did not play like a 4 win team. This year is the opposite. We are killing ourselves with stupid penalties and turnovers and are better than a 1 win team, at this point. 

 

We are what our record says we are.  They shouldn't get pats on the back for keeping some games close.

 

This offseason the team will go on a spending spree. Khan said as much during a recent interview in London. We have the most cap room in the league, and are going to be forced to spend it. With an influx of another 3 pro bowlers maybe, experience for all the young players, and another top 5 pick draft class along with Justin Blackmon returning, this team will be ready to give the fans something to watch every weekend.

 

Influx of another 3 pro-bowlers?  You're dreaming buddy.  That's not gonna happen.  And it's hard to put all your eggs in one off-season basket and expect some great free agency additions.  Most of the real difference makers get franchised anyway.

 

The past two years have been painful, and it could have been a lot less painful if the team went out and spent a bit in free agency. But what would it have been for? to go 6-10 instead of 4-12 or 3-13? Who cares about that? Better to have the young players get experience, and then bring in difference makers in FA when the team is ready to compete.

 

I actually do want to see us at 6-10 instead of 4-12.  It would be one objective way to say "hey, this rebuild is going as it should be"... right now, it sure doesn't look like it is.

 

The offense this year is playing with so much youth, probably an unprecedented amount. That is obviously not good for this year, but well help TONS in 2015. Thats what the past 2 years have been about. 2015. Direct your anger at Gene Smith for leaving the roster with ZERO difference makers, and forcing Caldwell to basically replicate an expansion team without the extra draft picks. If the team was ready to compete before 2015 Caldwell would have spent accordingly, but they were not. 

 

Not sure if starting this many rookies will help tons.  Sometimes rookies don't make that jump and don't get better from year 1 to year 2.  You have plenty of examples of those types of players on this very roster.  Simply asserting we will get better because we're so young is inaccurate and wishful thinking.

 

Those calling for everyone being fired need to stop. You have no clue what youre talking about. If you want to do that in November of 2015, go ahead. But doing so right now is moronic. 

 

You also may not know what you're talking about, so I would refrain from making statements like this last one in the future.  

I don't think anyone needs to get fired right now.  If we end up something like 3-13 or worse, then yes - I do think it's time for somebody to go.  You can't say that "things are going as planned" can you?

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Ever since this regime took over the slogan has always been "2015". We just became expectant too early

 

well what is supposed to happen in 2015?  

 

Playoffs?  

 

6 wins?

 

What exactly should we be looking forward to in 2015?

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and the regime before that? "Next year... gotta let Blaine play a full season... Alualu will be good he just needs to get healthy."


I'm not saying this team will be just like that but so far, it looks like a broken record. I like Blake but I don't know about Bradley.

I get that, but we can't blame the current regime for that. They have gone all in on a plan with the hope for long-term relevance. Whether it works or not is still up be seen, but I would rather gp with this plan and fail than the long-term mediocrity plan of signing aging, high priced free agents

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The slogan for this regime has been 2015. Maybe you just havent realized that. Unless you expected a team full of rookies to beat playoff teams. 

And didn't people say "Ya gotta give Gene 4 years... he said 4 years so we have to give him that."

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well what is supposed to happen in 2015?  

 

Playoffs?  

 

6 wins?

 

What exactly should we be looking forward to in 2015?

 

8 wins and in the playoff race till the last couple games. 

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well what is supposed to happen in 2015?  

 

Playoffs?  

 

6 wins?

 

What exactly should we be looking forward to in 2015?

 

That is the big question.  I think a large contingent of fans are setting themselves up for heartbreak.  Next year isn't going to be some wand waving magic season.  Could it end up being special?  Sure it could but the team as is today even if we hit on the next draft and free agency needs time to work and grow together.

 

The new CBA with heavy practice restrictions favors established teams that don't throw in on new coaches every few years.  You can only practice so much and "coach them up" so much during an offseason.

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Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

8 wins and in the playoff race till the last couple games. 

 

That would be a miraculous improvement.  I don't see us getting 8 wins with Babich and Fisch calling the plays honestly.

 

We have young and inexperienced players combined with poor and/or inexperienced coaching.  Perfect recipe for 5-21.

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That is the big question.  I think a large contingent of fans are setting themselves up for heartbreak.  Next year isn't going to be some wand waving magic season.  Could it end up being special?  Sure it could but the team as is today even if we hit on the next draft and free agency needs time to work and grow together.

 

The new CBA with heavy practice restrictions favors established teams that don't throw in on new coaches every few years.  You can only practice so much and "coach them up" so much during an offseason.

 

You make a good point, and I've thought about it before.

 

Relying on this many rookies with the current CBA restrictions was not a very wise move IMO.  

 

What needs to happen next year is an overhaul of a few units, similarly to how we did the D-line this year.


Adding a number of decent-to-good veterans on multiple fronts is what this team needs.  We can't just sprinkle in a guy or two and expect to compete.  

 

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That would be a miraculous improvement.  I don't see us getting 8 wins with Babich and Fisch calling the plays honestly.

 

We have young and inexperienced players combined with poor and/or inexperienced coaching.  Perfect recipe for 5-21.

 

Like I said, the team has the most cap room in the league by far and will be forced to spend it. That cap number could even grow with some cuts to over priced players. There will be a few very good players introduced to the team in FA. And I think you are underestimating how valuable rookies playing is. Everyone in the NFL says the biggest jump players take is from year 1 to year 2. That jump doesnt happen unless they play and take their lumps. 

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Like I said, the team has the most cap room in the league by far and will be forced to spend it. That cap number could even grow with some cuts to over priced players. There will be a few very good players introduced to the team in FA. And I think you are underestimating how valuable rookies playing is. Everyone in the NFL says the biggest jump players take is from year 1 to year 2. That jump doesnt happen unless they play and take their lumps. 

 

Yes, Joeckel and Cyprien sure took huge jumps.

 

Gratz took huge jumps.  

Ace has made miraculous jumps.

 

(sarcasm)

 

The most important picks, picks 1-3 which were supposed to be guys we can lean on and build around - have been nothing short of poor to average.  They have rarely even flashed great plays.  Cyprien has had the most positive flashes, but overall he's still an average safety at best.

 

Jeremy Harris went from not playing to not playing.  

 

 

The only two guys I can legitimately say I'm impressed with is Denard Robinson and Demetrius McCray.  And I guess I can say Evans isn't that terrible for a 6th rounder that's forced to start because we have nobody else better.

 

 

Look at those players above.  At that pace, with that "improvement" from year 1 to year 2, I'm not convinced that playing that many rookies now will help us in 2015.

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Think about where this team could be if we had done an honest rebuild after the Patriots loss?  That would have entailed actually using the draft class to benefit the team and not swinging for the fence and going all in on rookie pass rushers.

 

One of the worst things a team or any business can do is throw good money after bad.  This team was chasing talent and flushing away the future for a good 7 year stretch.  This is the result of all of that "chasing".  I think there are enough solid players put in place so far that we can start moving forward.  Unfortunately it will take more time.

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

Joeckel and Cyprien are good enough players.  I think they take a bit too much blame from the fan base.  Are they certified pro bowlers?  Of course not but let's not think they can't play.  It is really easy to pick on a few players and say they are the reason for this or that but the truth is....  This team is not playing well for more than one quarter a game.

 

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The problem comes in when the coaching staff reels in the game plan and puts in the "safe" way of playing.  Immobile QB with a bad back and our plan is to protect the secondary?

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

So this hot garbage team is somehow going to do a complete 180 and magically be a contender next year? Coaching will miraculously become competent?


Pass the shrooms.

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Joeckel and Cyprien are good enough players.  I think they take a bit too much blame from the fan base.  Are they certified pro bowlers?  Of course not but let's not think they can't play.  It is really easy to pick on a few players and say they are the reason for this or that but the truth is....  This team is not playing well for more than one quarter a game.

 

Joeckel and Cyprien are average players in the NFL.

 

Neither will get confused as one of the better players at their positions. 

 

When those are your first 2 picks in the rebuild, you expect and hope for much better.  It has to be much better in order for your rebuild to actually finish strong.  

 

You don't rebuild by tearing everything down and then drafting guys that are average at best. 

 

I think if you asked Dave Caldwell and Gus Bradley, I think both would have to tell you they are disappointed in how Joeckel, Cyprien, and Gratz are playing thus far.  That is concerning because they "should have" made big improvements from year 1 to year 2.

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