To all of the people that think we're cutting Bortles after this year, you're going to be disappointed.  We're not spending money to load the roster with talent to turn the reigns over to a rookie.  I think we'll sign Blake to a 2 year deal at years end at around $12 Million per year, and maybe draft a QB in the mid rounds.  If you ever listen to DOUG talk about Blake, you can easily tell that he likes what Blake's doing, and believes he can be the guy.  Barring a complete collapse this year, he'll be the starter next year.

I think that's very possible but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did cut him, drafted a rookie and brought in a vet to start in the short term. It will depend on how he performs the rest of this season.

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To all of the people that think we're cutting Bortles after this year, you're going to be disappointed. We're not spending money to load the roster with talent to turn the reins over to a rookie. I think we'll sign Blake to a 2 year deal at years end at around $12 Million per year, and maybe draft a QB in the mid rounds. If you ever listen to DOUG talk about Blake, you can easily tell that he likes what Blake's doing, and believes he can be the guy. Barring a complete collapse this year, he'll be the starter next year.

I have not read any posts suggesting next season is a "prove it" year for Blake Bortles. We are just mentioning him in this thread because his 2018 salary is $19 million. I always said we will pay it and keep him as the starter next season, reason being we would not have picked up the option if there was any doubt about his ability to lead the team to the playoffs. For the purpose of this thread, I think letting him walk in 2019 will let us keep Marcell Dareus un5til his contract expires in 2021.

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Why are some posters indicating the the Bills actually got a fifth round pick?

Because the 6th round pick we traded becomes a 5th round pick if certain events take place, and as I vaguely recall, they are pretty likely things, like him being on the roster March 1, or something like that.

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I think the Dareus trade was motivated by several factors.  I think the Bills saw Dareus as bad for the locker room, that his contract was an issue, and that the Bills are accumulating draft picks.

Dareus having two substance abuse strikes was surely part of the decision as well.

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Khan is just stroking his stash at all u plebians worrying about cap space.....

I mentioned this before but I may a few more times until it sinks in. There may be good reason to keep the future salary cap in mind. This NFL boycott is taking a huge toll on the league's numbers wherein the overall cap for each team very well may drop instead of growing like we're used to.

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'02

I think the Dareus trade was motivated by several factors.  I think the Bills saw Dareus as bad for the locker room, that his contract was an issue, and that the Bills are accumulating draft picks.

Dareus having two substance abuse strikes was surely part of the decision as well.

For me, that fits under the "locker room" heading.

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Khan is just stroking his stash at all u plebians worrying about cap space.....

I mentioned this before but I may a few more times until it sinks in. There may be good reason to keep the future salary cap in mind. This NFL boycott is taking a huge toll on the league's numbers wherein the overall cap for each team very well may drop instead of growing like we're used to.

Absolutely a concern. I had a barroom conversation the other night about this with a guy who said that everyone assumes the cap will rise every year but that this year it may actually fall. I was very surprised when I walked into the 'bank for the Rams game and saw all the empty seats in the East side upper deck.

Winning may well cure or mitigate it but it's a valid concern, at least in Jacksonville.

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My question is, who gets cut to make room?

Probably a scrub like Chris Reed, although if they're looking to save money they can save what's left of Poz' $4 mil base salary by trading the MLB to the Packers.

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I mentioned this before but I may a few more times until it sinks in. There may be good reason to keep the future salary cap in mind. This NFL boycott is taking a huge toll on the league's numbers wherein the overall cap for each team very well may drop instead of growing like we're used to.

Absolutely a concern. I had a barroom conversation the other night about this with a guy who said that everyone assumes the cap will rise every year but that this year it may actually fall. I was very surprised when I walked into the 'bank for the Rams game and saw all the empty seats in the East side upper deck.

Winning may well cure or mitigate it but it's a valid concern, at least in Jacksonville.

The cap is determined by the tv money not money from tickets and sell. The tv check has been cut already. The cap is going up

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This move is to help the run defense. But he seems to be a player in full decline so I hope we don't get burnt in the long run. But maybe this move will help rejuvenate him. Also he will no longer be getting guaranteed money after the 2018 season so he may essentially be a 2 year and done guy with us.

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Sign ARob for around 10-12 per year right now, let Lee walk, offer Colvin a mid tier cb contract, something like 5-6 per year over four seasons, and offer Bortles a backup/proveit contract heading into next year with his alternative being getting cut, something like 5 million a year for 3 years with incentives for a lot more if he does something like throwing 30 TDs with 10 or less ints. That way the team can keep or cut him based on his performance or have him even be a backup for a few seasons of a worthwhile QB falls to us or comes open in free agency. Assuming Bortles doesn't come on strong to end this season, that is. If he does that they'll have to probably pay him.

The Arob move is important if they can make it happen. With ARob this year's team would probably be undefeated. There's no way they lose three games with teams stacking the box and ARob going deep. Either teams could let Fournette kill them slow or ARob kill them fast, but the Jaguars would be killing teams with ARob healthy.

Colvin may get prove-it starter offers. I see a guy like Buster Skrine with a $8.5 mil cap hit this year and I have to think Colvin will command at least as much. Sean Smith signed a 4-year contract with the Raiders this past season averaging $9.5 mil per year while their other CB David Amerson signed for right about $8.5 mil per year.

The mid-tier range for QBs is $8 to $10 mil. The top CBs are making $12 to $16 mil per.

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To all of the people that think we're cutting Bortles after this year, you're going to be disappointed.  We're not spending money to load the roster with talent to turn the reigns over to a rookie.  I think we'll sign Blake to a 2 year deal at years end at around $12 Million per year, and maybe draft a QB in the mid rounds.  If you ever listen to DOUG talk about Blake, you can easily tell that he likes what Blake's doing, and believes he can be the guy.  Barring a complete collapse this year, he'll be the starter next year.

You know, I’ve been critical of Bortles this year but I think you are right. He is playing well enough that we are winning games. I’ll take that. I can see a very likely scenario where we restrict his deal to free up some cap space and maybe draft a qb in the second or third round. Blake remains the starter while we develop a guy for a few years. The other draft picks go almost exclusively to the offense like a tight end, guards and a value speed receiver like a Ty Hill type of player. 

This team is set up nice with tons of young talent and just enough vets to get you through the tough times. They are clearly not sitting on their hands. They are ready to run this division and make some noise in the playoffs if the can get there.

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Bortles, Hurns, and Ivory would be more than $33 million in savings with no dead money.

More like $29 million and $3 million dead money.

[BLEEP] and Lewis you can't cut because their not under contract next year

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-...ewis-4160/

I think Lewis is here 2018.

Yeah, my bad on Ivory. I was thinking we could be out from him w/o dead money. The point still remains though that we have plenty of wiggle if we want it.

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To all of the people that think we're cutting Bortles after this year, you're going to be disappointed.  We're not spending money to load the roster with talent to turn the reigns over to a rookie.  I think we'll sign Blake to a 2 year deal at years end at around $12 Million per year, and maybe draft a QB in the mid rounds.  If you ever listen to DOUG talk about Blake, you can easily tell that he likes what Blake's doing, and believes he can be the guy.  Barring a complete collapse this year, he'll be the starter next year.

Nobody said we're gonna turn the reigns directly over to a rookie. I believe we'll sign a free agent QB as a transition type guy until the rookie is ready. Someone more consistent a trustworthy than Bortles.

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Over The Cap has Abry Jones as cuttable next year.

Spotrac does not.

Spotrac has Abry as cuttable. They have him at $3.5 mil if kept, and at $3 mil if cut. It's just not ideal because they could wait one more season and Abry would have zero dead money. For that extra $500,000 next year we might as well hang onto him.

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This move is to help the run defense. But he seems to be a player in full decline so I hope we don't get burnt in the long run. But maybe this move will help rejuvenate him. Also he will no longer be getting guaranteed money after the 2018 season so he may essentially be a 2 year and done guy with us.

Apparently you were not aware Rex Ryan ruined Marcell Dareus by switching to a 3-4 scheme with 4-3 personnel. Dareus was not the only one. Buffalo's defense got worse due to its scheme change that should not have happened.

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Bouye cap hit increase by 10M
Campbell cap hit increase by 6 M
Dareus cap hit increases by 5M

All of this is calculated in the 2018 allotment table I linked, and so is Bortles' 5th year option. We can pretty much keep the team as is, but filling any of our needs or trying to fix QB will take some work.

But your table doesn't include the rollover cap we will have.

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Over The Cap has Abry Jones as cuttable next year.

Spotrac does not.

Spotrac has Abry as cuttable. They have him at $3.5 mil if kept, and at $3 mil if cut. It's just not ideal because they could wait one more season and Abry would have zero dead money. For that extra $500,000 next year we might as well hang onto him.

I would keep him next year as a backup. He is just not starter material.

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The cap will go up by about the same amount as our rookie draft pool will so that's offset. We can cut guys like Poz, Ivory, Marcedes, and maybe even Parnell and save ~$20 mil then we have to figure out what to do with Arob, Lee, and Colvin. They will obviously take much more than that to keep so we're definitely going to lose some of them if not all 3. And then we have to figure out what to do at QB, TE, WR, SLB, and at least one starting caliber OG/RT...it's going to take some creativity like I said.

[BLEEP] and Lewis you can't cut because their not under contract next year

Poz is hitting free agency after the season which is why I'm advocating trading him now before the deadline to a team that can use him to get over the top like the Packers or Patriots.

Lewis has one more year in the books. If they cut him before March they could save his entire $3.75 mil cap hit for 2018... or they can pay him $250,000 in March allowing them to make a decision later on. If they cut him after March 1 (or whenever his option bonus is due) but before the season starts, they still save the remaining $3.5 mil.

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I broke it down a couple times in the past couple pages and posted links to exactly what the $$. No need for the 'something like that' estimations.
It's right there for all to see lol.
Regardless, I think it's just as simple as the old saying 'if it's too good to be true, it probably is'.
Again, maybe he turns it around - I sincerely hope he does.
But this wasn't an exclusive deal to the Jags.
The Bills have been trying to trade him rather than just cut him since he got sent home.
Anyone could have had him for a bag of football's.
We are lucky we didn't have to pay someone picks to take him.
Like I mentioned obviously saint Doug was ok with this or it doesn't get made but when he left BUF, Dareus was the 1st one blasting him in the media for all the bridges he burned here etc.
Again, I don't mean to be all doom and gloom.
Getting a new weapon is fun.
I just hope he turns into that weapon. The jags must have seen something none of the other teams did bc anyone actually WILLING to give anything could have had him.
Seems TC helped get this team in trouble in 1999 with $$. Hopefully this won't hurt if he remains who he's been for 3+ years.
It was a TERRIBLE contract that never should have been given out.
Buffalo just had a complex about keeping their own at that time and he made it clear he wasn't signing for anything less bc he's selfish. Another reason a restructure shouldn't just be assumed

I think Dareus is going to work out great for us.

Don't you worry about $$$ either. Bortles, ivory, malik....are just 3 guys that could be cut to save money. I think those 3 guys right there are somewhere around 35 million. 

The front office knows what they're doing.

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