Lol peterman completed 6 passes and threw 5 interceptions, holy hell. He shouldn’t even be on a roster.

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Pick #5 for Nate "better than Tyrod" Peterman

You do realise Peterman playing bad doesnt mean Taylor is good right? Just means they need to draft another qb. Or Peterman just isn't ready like Goff last year.

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Pick #5 for Nate "better than Tyrod" Peterman

You do realise Peterman playing bad doesnt mean Taylor is good right? Just means they need to draft another qb. Or Peterman just isn't ready like Goff last year.

The announcers did say the coach said the move to Peterman was because he believed it gave them a better chance to win.

Clearly not even close to the case, so I mean what kind of judge of talent is he to think Peterman was either ready? Or better than tyrod?

Taylor came in and moved the offense pretty well. The other pieces on that offense as a whole are not good at all. I think Taylor would look a lot better on a team with some talent, such as the jags.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

You could replace Taylor with the name dareus and the respective stats and this message would read the same as all the others you made about Marcel.

The bills organization is a dumpster fire. They don't know how to maximize talent. Tyrod is going to wind up somewhere besides buffalo next season and I would bet money he finishes the top 15 of quarterbacks.

A top 15 QB is easily enough to get the jags to a Superbowl, a top 15 QB could get a lot of teams over the hump if they currently have a bottom 15 guy.

Good QB play is very rare right now. You can't just go pluck an elite guy off of a tree. You improve talent as much as you can when it makes sense.

If I was the jags I would try to get a guy like cousins, Taylor, maybe one or two other guys come available, but I still draft a QB in Rd 1 or 2, unless the jags front office really doesn't like the guys at the top, which is also possible.

My main point is that I can't wait to see the Peterman Trainwreck and for bills fans to realize how good they actually had it with tyrod.

Come on achillies, thats a cop out. 2 totally diff situations and thought processes involved. 1 had potential but it couldnt be coaxed out and the other has hit his ceiling and is void of that potential. I LOVED coaches reasoning.  5-4 isn' the goal. That' settling. If a team wants to build around Taylor, that's their deal. I' just glad it' no longer my team considering it. Is Peterman the answer? Who knows. He COULD be just what the Jags are looking for BUT as soon as the goal on O changes for you guys (which cld just be as soon as someone who can sling it comes along)  Taylor will be stale and you'l want more. Does bortles have a down by 6, need a td to win comeback drive to his credit? In 2 and a half yrs, tyrod has ZERO. He had PLENTY of chances. It' easy to say find out for yourself, but even after what you wrote, I still wish that on no one!!

So was Taylor too stale after the first half or did you want more?

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

You do realise Peterman playing bad doesnt mean Taylor is good right? Just means they need to draft another qb. Or Peterman just isn't ready like Goff last year.

The announcers did say the coach said the move to Peterman was because he believed it gave them a better chance to win.

Clearly not even close to the case, so I mean what kind of judge of talent is he to think Peterman was either ready? Or better than tyrod?

Taylor came in and moved the offense pretty well. The other pieces on that offense as a whole are not good at all. I think Taylor would look a lot better on a team with some talent, such as the jags.

Yeah throwing to Lee Cole and Lewis will send him into beastmode

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I’d take him as a backup. Send Henne packing. Doubt we’d be able to latch on to him for the cheap though.

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Pick #5 for Nate "better than Tyrod" Peterman

You do realise Peterman playing bad doesnt mean Taylor is good right? Just means they need to draft another qb. Or Peterman just isn't ready like Goff last year.

No it means Tyrod is the best option for the Bills this year, which is something people on here and many bills fans failed to realize.

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I don't recall ever seeing a coach and front office throw away a playoff shot like this. Almost as if they felt like their 5-2 record was a mirage and wouldn't last, so they wanted to start building for next season. One has to wonder how the players feel about such an approach.

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At the end of the day though. While he could lead us to a super bowl. The price tag will Probaly be to high.  With the resignings.  So Probaly iffy on landing Taylor.  Probaly will inquire about him though.  And than due to money move forward without taylor

I dont think this is really known yet as it depends if the Bills keep him past the league year.
If they do keep him to trade - he's getting paid 16 mill and theres your number.
If they cut him (most likely and an almost certainty hes gone via either means) well, then the market dictates. 
Last year they essentially let his agent go have unformal talks and put out feelers bc they informed him they weren't bringing him back at (18 mill I think as well as the remainder of the contract kicking in) and he ended up coming back to Buff on a pay cut. There were rumors he could have gotten more from the Browns/Jets but chose Buffalo. I dont know if thats ture and in this day and age you certainly see guys usually go for the $$ but if it is and he doesn't - its another example how how much class he has..

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Billsfan, do you think the genius Bills front office is working on a new 5 year deal for Peterman as we speak?

Achilles, Yesterday was no fun BUT as often as Peterman threw pics - you seem to be missing points of conversation and reasoning just as often. Which is concerning for someone who seems to act like they know what they are talking about.

Luckily, I come back to break it down. Had you have read what I told you the reasoning is, you would save yourself from making ignorant statements as evidenced above and would save yourself the Peterman type embarrassment. 
This was called a calculated risk. SOMETIMES, when there is a risk involved things dont shake out the way you'd hope.
As I explained previously, this was more about the ANTI-TYROD. Who in the world can possibly know how the kid will be? Things started out great - then his security blanket (and the WR hes shown the most chemistry with in his short time on the field) goes down with a knee injury. This was after he caught a perfectly placed ball that TT wouldnt in a MILLION years have DARED to throw. Next play the FB pops a ball thrown in his numbers 10 feet in the air and BAM. Pick 6 city.
From there, Bosa just burned and couldnt be blocked - and managed to hit the kid 2x while throwing the ball in less than 3 sec. Difference here is maybe TT could have avoided that - but Taylor fell victim to a similar play later after getting stripped from the blind side.
Over 2 and a half years, Taylor has shown us who he is. He is an athlete who wont throw quick and as a result is athletic enough to run around and try to make something happen. He is AVG to slightly above avg in a system built around him. Down by more than 4 points? AGAIN- FOUR TIMES in 2 and a half years he has brought his team back when the Bills have been down by 4 points - NOT FOURTEEN- F_O_U_R!!!
That is pretty poor that when your team goes down by a touchdown you pretty much arent coming back.
So again Mr Achillies, therein lies the problem. Do you want your FRANCHISE qb to have a stat like that?! Hell no!!!!
I give McBeane credit for realizing this and not SETTLING for mediocrity.... Because the last few regimes were content. I dont want to sneak into the playoffs at 8-8 and loose a wildcard game while the national media laughs that we got in at .500 and thinks its cute. No thanks! I wanna be GOOD, and consistantly GOOD. Not just some flash in the pan, back into the playoffs only to have everything change roster wise like last year and is no doubt coming again this year. Lets face it, its harder to cut Taylor loose if he happens to be the QB when they accidentally get into the playoffs and end the drought. 
Credit to them for realizing their 'quarterback' needs upgrading and coming to terms they arent going to bring Taylor back. So, as soon as they deemed that the kid might be better or at LEAST more capable of taking chances and throwing the ball without having to have a WR college open. They know what they have, they know its not good enough, they know they are moving on, and they know they are NOTHING without a franchise QB. They had Cam and know what a difference it makes. 
So, I'm glad you got a good laugh but I'd do it again. Hell, I'd give the kid another shot next week and see how he deals with this and bounces back because he isnt as bad as yesterday showed - things just snowballed. If we had a 3rd string that wasnt Joe Webb and was a young guy, I'd give him a shot too if Peterman continued to show he isnt getting it. Its refreshing to see a regime not SETTLING for some journeyman scrub and not drafting/giving chances to young QBs. We passed on guys because we were content with Fitzpatrick/Orton/Cassel/Kolb and the list goes on because the goal was to make the freaking playoffs even if they got destroyed when they got there.
Whoever the ANTI-TYROD is, get em in there until dumb luck or number get someone to stick. Im David Garrard-ed  ERR Tyrod Taylor-ed out. The team wants to run THEIR O and pick the QB who fits rather than changing everything they do and dumbing it down for Taylor. Agree or disagree if thats the right move, thats the plan and I applaud it. Taylor (like Peterman the week before in garbage time) did come in and played with his hair on fire lowring his shoulder and taking some hits as well as was more open to throwing the ball downfield - which was good. And even though it was good to see, it was pretty obvious watching it he just isnt that type of player/qb. They want someone who has that skillset amd the process of finding that person has begun. That simple. 
Now, other things go into account such as locker room etc and I get that. But with the amount of Free Agents and scrubs I cant see more than 15 AT MOST of these guys back next year. Cheers to the Bills having a plan because all of the Mario Williams like shortcuts this team has bought over the years didnt do squat.
Enjoy your teams success - as a fan you deserve it and I hope you relish it. Dont be a goon and act like you know more about my team with some half informed lazy/easy hot take. You dont and I'd appreciate it if you stuck to what you know - arguing about Bortles future. Next year when you have Taylor, then you can tell me alllllll about it. 

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Billsfan, do you think the genius Bills front office is working on a new 5 year deal for Peterman as we speak?

Achilles, Yesterday was no fun BUT as often as Peterman threw pics - you seem to be missing points of conversation and reasoning just as often. Which is concerning for someone who seems to act like they know what they are talking about.

Luckily, I come back to break it down. Had you have read what I told you the reasoning is, you would save yourself from making ignorant statements as evidenced above and would save yourself the Peterman type embarrassment. 
This was called a calculated risk. SOMETIMES, when there is a risk involved things dont shake out the way you'd hope.
As I explained previously, this was more about the ANTI-TYROD. Who in the world can possibly know how the kid will be? Things started out great - then his security blanket (and the WR hes shown the most chemistry with in his short time on the field) goes down with a knee injury. This was after he caught a perfectly placed ball that TT wouldnt in a MILLION years have DARED to throw. Next play the FB pops a ball thrown in his numbers 10 feet in the air and BAM. Pick 6 city.
From there, Bosa just burned and couldnt be blocked - and managed to hit the kid 2x while throwing the ball in less than 3 sec. Difference here is maybe TT could have avoided that - but Taylor fell victim to a similar play later after getting stripped from the blind side.
Over 2 and a half years, Taylor has shown us who he is. He is an athlete who wont throw quick and as a result is athletic enough to run around and try to make something happen. He is AVG to slightly above avg in a system built around him. Down by more than 4 points? AGAIN- FOUR TIMES in 2 and a half years he has brought his team back when the Bills have been down by 4 points - NOT FOURTEEN- F_O_U_R!!!
That is pretty poor that when your team goes down by a touchdown you pretty much arent coming back.
So again Mr Achillies, therein lies the problem. Do you want your FRANCHISE qb to have a stat like that?! Hell no!!!!
I give McBeane credit for realizing this and not SETTLING for mediocrity.... Because the last few regimes were content. I dont want to sneak into the playoffs at 8-8 and loose a wildcard game while the national media laughs that we got in at .500 and thinks its cute. No thanks! I wanna be GOOD, and consistantly GOOD. Not just some flash in the pan, back into the playoffs only to have everything change roster wise like last year and is no doubt coming again this year. Lets face it, its harder to cut Taylor loose if he happens to be the QB when they accidentally get into the playoffs and end the drought. 
Credit to them for realizing their 'quarterback' needs upgrading and coming to terms they arent going to bring Taylor back. So, as soon as they deemed that the kid might be better or at LEAST more capable of taking chances and throwing the ball without having to have a WR college open. They know what they have, they know its not good enough, they know they are moving on, and they know they are NOTHING without a franchise QB. They had Cam and know what a difference it makes. 
So, I'm glad you got a good laugh but I'd do it again. Hell, I'd give the kid another shot next week and see how he deals with this and bounces back because he isnt as bad as yesterday showed - things just snowballed. If we had a 3rd string that wasnt Joe Webb and was a young guy, I'd give him a shot too if Peterman continued to show he isnt getting it. Its refreshing to see a regime not SETTLING for some journeyman scrub and not drafting/giving chances to young QBs. We passed on guys because we were content with Fitzpatrick/Orton/Cassel/Kolb and the list goes on because the goal was to make the freaking playoffs even if they got destroyed when they got there.
Whoever the ANTI-TYROD is, get em in there until dumb luck or number get someone to stick. Im David Garrard-ed  ERR Tyrod Taylor-ed out. The team wants to run THEIR O and pick the QB who fits rather than changing everything they do and dumbing it down for Taylor. Agree or disagree if thats the right move, thats the plan and I applaud it. Taylor (like Peterman the week before in garbage time) did come in and played with his hair on fire lowring his shoulder and taking some hits as well as was more open to throwing the ball downfield - which was good. And even though it was good to see, it was pretty obvious watching it he just isnt that type of player/qb. They want someone who has that skillset amd the process of finding that person has begun. That simple. 
Now, other things go into account such as locker room etc and I get that. But with the amount of Free Agents and scrubs I cant see more than 15 AT MOST of these guys back next year. Cheers to the Bills having a plan because all of the Mario Williams like shortcuts this team has bought over the years didnt do squat.
Enjoy your teams success - as a fan you deserve it and I hope you relish it. Dont be a goon and act like you know more about my team with some half informed lazy/easy hot take. You dont and I'd appreciate it if you stuck to what you know - arguing about Bortles future. Next year when you have Taylor, then you can tell me alllllll about it. 

I only read a couple paragraphs before I got bored but you're saying the move is a calculated risk, ok, fine, if that was the case, whoever made that decision should have absolutely no input from here on out on any player on the bills team. To see that guy day in and day out and to think Peterman gave a better chance of winning than tyrod did is an egregious mistake. Absolutely laughable decision.

You keep making excuses for Peterman or the bills and keep condeming tyrod, but the true problem with the bills football team is at the top. They have no idea what they're doing. The team is bad. The front office has pushed out a lot of the top tier talent and that's why you might be convincing yourself that Taylor isn't a good NFL qb.

Keep drinking that buffalo Kool aid.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

Billsfan, do you think the genius Bills front office is working on a new 5 year deal for Peterman as we speak?

Achilles, Yesterday was no fun BUT as often as Peterman threw pics - you seem to be missing points of conversation and reasoning just as often. Which is concerning for someone who seems to act like they know what they are talking about.

Luckily, I come back to break it down. Had you have read what I told you the reasoning is, you would save yourself from making ignorant statements as evidenced above and would save yourself the Peterman type embarrassment. 
This was called a calculated risk. SOMETIMES, when there is a risk involved things dont shake out the way you'd hope.
As I explained previously, this was more about the ANTI-TYROD. Who in the world can possibly know how the kid will be? Things started out great - then his security blanket (and the WR hes shown the most chemistry with in his short time on the field) goes down with a knee injury. This was after he caught a perfectly placed ball that TT wouldnt in a MILLION years have DARED to throw. Next play the FB pops a ball thrown in his numbers 10 feet in the air and BAM. Pick 6 city.
From there, Bosa just burned and couldnt be blocked - and managed to hit the kid 2x while throwing the ball in less than 3 sec. Difference here is maybe TT could have avoided that - but Taylor fell victim to a similar play later after getting stripped from the blind side.
Over 2 and a half years, Taylor has shown us who he is. He is an athlete who wont throw quick and as a result is athletic enough to run around and try to make something happen. He is AVG to slightly above avg in a system built around him. Down by more than 4 points? AGAIN- FOUR TIMES in 2 and a half years he has brought his team back when the Bills have been down by 4 points - NOT FOURTEEN- F_O_U_R!!!
That is pretty poor that when your team goes down by a touchdown you pretty much arent coming back.
So again Mr Achillies, therein lies the problem. Do you want your FRANCHISE qb to have a stat like that?! Hell no!!!!
I give McBeane credit for realizing this and not SETTLING for mediocrity.... Because the last few regimes were content. I dont want to sneak into the playoffs at 8-8 and loose a wildcard game while the national media laughs that we got in at .500 and thinks its cute. No thanks! I wanna be GOOD, and consistantly GOOD. Not just some flash in the pan, back into the playoffs only to have everything change roster wise like last year and is no doubt coming again this year. Lets face it, its harder to cut Taylor loose if he happens to be the QB when they accidentally get into the playoffs and end the drought. 
Credit to them for realizing their 'quarterback' needs upgrading and coming to terms they arent going to bring Taylor back. So, as soon as they deemed that the kid might be better or at LEAST more capable of taking chances and throwing the ball without having to have a WR college open. They know what they have, they know its not good enough, they know they are moving on, and they know they are NOTHING without a franchise QB. They had Cam and know what a difference it makes. 
So, I'm glad you got a good laugh but I'd do it again. Hell, I'd give the kid another shot next week and see how he deals with this and bounces back because he isnt as bad as yesterday showed - things just snowballed. If we had a 3rd string that wasnt Joe Webb and was a young guy, I'd give him a shot too if Peterman continued to show he isnt getting it. Its refreshing to see a regime not SETTLING for some journeyman scrub and not drafting/giving chances to young QBs. We passed on guys because we were content with Fitzpatrick/Orton/Cassel/Kolb and the list goes on because the goal was to make the freaking playoffs even if they got destroyed when they got there.
Whoever the ANTI-TYROD is, get em in there until dumb luck or number get someone to stick. Im David Garrard-ed  ERR Tyrod Taylor-ed out. The team wants to run THEIR O and pick the QB who fits rather than changing everything they do and dumbing it down for Taylor. Agree or disagree if thats the right move, thats the plan and I applaud it. Taylor (like Peterman the week before in garbage time) did come in and played with his hair on fire lowring his shoulder and taking some hits as well as was more open to throwing the ball downfield - which was good. And even though it was good to see, it was pretty obvious watching it he just isnt that type of player/qb. They want someone who has that skillset amd the process of finding that person has begun. That simple. 
Now, other things go into account such as locker room etc and I get that. But with the amount of Free Agents and scrubs I cant see more than 15 AT MOST of these guys back next year. Cheers to the Bills having a plan because all of the Mario Williams like shortcuts this team has bought over the years didnt do squat.
Enjoy your teams success - as a fan you deserve it and I hope you relish it. Dont be a goon and act like you know more about my team with some half informed lazy/easy hot take. You dont and I'd appreciate it if you stuck to what you know - arguing about Bortles future. Next year when you have Taylor, then you can tell me alllllll about it. 

Whatever helps you sleep at night bro. You can twist things to support any argument. The facts are Taylor had his team in a playoff spot. Bills decided to throw a rookie in against a dangerous team with that pass rush and secondary. A time when you need a vet. Anyways, your team has given up over a 100 point over the last two weeks. Might as well keep tanking. If you can write novels about a solid NFL quarterback in Taylor, or a dt not on your team, you will have plenty to discuss with your team imploding top to bottom

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The Bills HC says he still hasn't made up his mind on which QB to start with next week and said Peterman had some very good plays on Sunday.

Bills fans, you might have just hired Gus Bradley 2.0

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Calculated risk? What kind of calculating was going on there?

Who likes playoffs anyway?

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Achilles, Yesterday was no fun BUT as often as Peterman threw pics - you seem to be missing points of conversation and reasoning just as often. Which is concerning for someone who seems to act like they know what they are talking about.

Luckily, I come back to break it down. Had you have read what I told you the reasoning is, you would save yourself from making ignorant statements as evidenced above and would save yourself the Peterman type embarrassment. 
This was called a calculated risk. SOMETIMES, when there is a risk involved things dont shake out the way you'd hope.
As I explained previously, this was more about the ANTI-TYROD. Who in the world can possibly know how the kid will be? Things started out great - then his security blanket (and the WR hes shown the most chemistry with in his short time on the field) goes down with a knee injury. This was after he caught a perfectly placed ball that TT wouldnt in a MILLION years have DARED to throw. Next play the FB pops a ball thrown in his numbers 10 feet in the air and BAM. Pick 6 city.
From there, Bosa just burned and couldnt be blocked - and managed to hit the kid 2x while throwing the ball in less than 3 sec. Difference here is maybe TT could have avoided that - but Taylor fell victim to a similar play later after getting stripped from the blind side.
Over 2 and a half years, Taylor has shown us who he is. He is an athlete who wont throw quick and as a result is athletic enough to run around and try to make something happen. He is AVG to slightly above avg in a system built around him. Down by more than 4 points? AGAIN- FOUR TIMES in 2 and a half years he has brought his team back when the Bills have been down by 4 points - NOT FOURTEEN- F_O_U_R!!!
That is pretty poor that when your team goes down by a touchdown you pretty much arent coming back.
So again Mr Achillies, therein lies the problem. Do you want your FRANCHISE qb to have a stat like that?! Hell no!!!!
I give McBeane credit for realizing this and not SETTLING for mediocrity.... Because the last few regimes were content. I dont want to sneak into the playoffs at 8-8 and loose a wildcard game while the national media laughs that we got in at .500 and thinks its cute. No thanks! I wanna be GOOD, and consistantly GOOD. Not just some flash in the pan, back into the playoffs only to have everything change roster wise like last year and is no doubt coming again this year. Lets face it, its harder to cut Taylor loose if he happens to be the QB when they accidentally get into the playoffs and end the drought. 
Credit to them for realizing their 'quarterback' needs upgrading and coming to terms they arent going to bring Taylor back. So, as soon as they deemed that the kid might be better or at LEAST more capable of taking chances and throwing the ball without having to have a WR college open. They know what they have, they know its not good enough, they know they are moving on, and they know they are NOTHING without a franchise QB. They had Cam and know what a difference it makes. 
So, I'm glad you got a good laugh but I'd do it again. Hell, I'd give the kid another shot next week and see how he deals with this and bounces back because he isnt as bad as yesterday showed - things just snowballed. If we had a 3rd string that wasnt Joe Webb and was a young guy, I'd give him a shot too if Peterman continued to show he isnt getting it. Its refreshing to see a regime not SETTLING for some journeyman scrub and not drafting/giving chances to young QBs. We passed on guys because we were content with Fitzpatrick/Orton/Cassel/Kolb and the list goes on because the goal was to make the freaking playoffs even if they got destroyed when they got there.
Whoever the ANTI-TYROD is, get em in there until dumb luck or number get someone to stick. Im David Garrard-ed  ERR Tyrod Taylor-ed out. The team wants to run THEIR O and pick the QB who fits rather than changing everything they do and dumbing it down for Taylor. Agree or disagree if thats the right move, thats the plan and I applaud it. Taylor (like Peterman the week before in garbage time) did come in and played with his hair on fire lowring his shoulder and taking some hits as well as was more open to throwing the ball downfield - which was good. And even though it was good to see, it was pretty obvious watching it he just isnt that type of player/qb. They want someone who has that skillset amd the process of finding that person has begun. That simple. 
Now, other things go into account such as locker room etc and I get that. But with the amount of Free Agents and scrubs I cant see more than 15 AT MOST of these guys back next year. Cheers to the Bills having a plan because all of the Mario Williams like shortcuts this team has bought over the years didnt do squat.
Enjoy your teams success - as a fan you deserve it and I hope you relish it. Dont be a goon and act like you know more about my team with some half informed lazy/easy hot take. You dont and I'd appreciate it if you stuck to what you know - arguing about Bortles future. Next year when you have Taylor, then you can tell me alllllll about it. 

Whatever helps you sleep at night bro. You can twist things to support any argument. The facts are Taylor had his team in a playoff spot. Bills decided to throw a rookie in against a dangerous team with that pass rush and secondary. A time when you need a vet. Anyways, your team has given up over a 100 point over the last two weeks. Might as well keep tanking. If you can write novels about a solid NFL quarterback in Taylor, or a dt not on your team, you will have plenty to discuss with your team imploding top to bottom

I think thats the point... they dont care. Taylor isnt their guy and its time to figure out who is. Heck, the thought at the moment is Peterman might be back next week. No spin, No sleep aid, lets stop acting like this was a bigger mistake than it was. With this D (more so the player on it) they arent winning anything and they are smart enough to realize it. I just thank god no one has ever given you or Achillesheel the chance to run a football team. I thought the two of you had terrible takes...  icant imagine what would come out of the wood work w/you guys incharge

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The Bills HC says he still hasn't made up his mind on which QB to start with next week and said Peterman had some very good plays on Sunday.  

Bills fans, you might have just hired Gus Bradley 2.0

With respect, again - this is more about Taylor not being the guy. He's smart enough to know this team isnt winning another game with this D. 
I dont think (INCLUDING MYSELF - PROOF I CAN ADMIT IM WRONG) anyone took into account or cared (this season is turning into more evaluation for seasons ahead) the effect MD had in game planning. His snaps were limited, but the seem to have been on high % running plays/situations.  Teams were really going up the gut.... and they sure are now. I'd move more towards didnt care - but none the less I'd be shocked if they ended with more than 7 wins MAX.
If you know Taylor isnt the guy, give the kid another shot. He may not be an NFL QB, but hes not as bad as last sunday indicated. I wouldnt be surprised if they want to see how he rebounds. I'm indifferent. Saves the heartbreak in a sense. Those 5 wins with smoke and mirrors shocked everyone. Bills fans were on board with the tank, going into week one it was how can we find a way to be worse than the Jets. 5 wins in 7 games and somepeople drank the kool aid and thought the team was better than they were. In the end, this was essentially a strip down year to see who was worth keeping going forward. More players may be kept just to fill holes, but as of now there are only about 10 players on the entire roster worth bringing back going forward... and one of em is the kicker

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Achilles, Yesterday was no fun BUT as often as Peterman threw pics - you seem to be missing points of conversation and reasoning just as often. Which is concerning for someone who seems to act like they know what they are talking about.

Luckily, I come back to break it down. Had you have read what I told you the reasoning is, you would save yourself from making ignorant statements as evidenced above and would save yourself the Peterman type embarrassment. 
This was called a calculated risk. SOMETIMES, when there is a risk involved things dont shake out the way you'd hope.
As I explained previously, this was more about the ANTI-TYROD. Who in the world can possibly know how the kid will be? Things started out great - then his security blanket (and the WR hes shown the most chemistry with in his short time on the field) goes down with a knee injury. This was after he caught a perfectly placed ball that TT wouldnt in a MILLION years have DARED to throw. Next play the FB pops a ball thrown in his numbers 10 feet in the air and BAM. Pick 6 city.
From there, Bosa just burned and couldnt be blocked - and managed to hit the kid 2x while throwing the ball in less than 3 sec. Difference here is maybe TT could have avoided that - but Taylor fell victim to a similar play later after getting stripped from the blind side.
Over 2 and a half years, Taylor has shown us who he is. He is an athlete who wont throw quick and as a result is athletic enough to run around and try to make something happen. He is AVG to slightly above avg in a system built around him. Down by more than 4 points? AGAIN- FOUR TIMES in 2 and a half years he has brought his team back when the Bills have been down by 4 points - NOT FOURTEEN- F_O_U_R!!!
That is pretty poor that when your team goes down by a touchdown you pretty much arent coming back.
So again Mr Achillies, therein lies the problem. Do you want your FRANCHISE qb to have a stat like that?! Hell no!!!!
I give McBeane credit for realizing this and not SETTLING for mediocrity.... Because the last few regimes were content. I dont want to sneak into the playoffs at 8-8 and loose a wildcard game while the national media laughs that we got in at .500 and thinks its cute. No thanks! I wanna be GOOD, and consistantly GOOD. Not just some flash in the pan, back into the playoffs only to have everything change roster wise like last year and is no doubt coming again this year. Lets face it, its harder to cut Taylor loose if he happens to be the QB when they accidentally get into the playoffs and end the drought. 
Credit to them for realizing their 'quarterback' needs upgrading and coming to terms they arent going to bring Taylor back. So, as soon as they deemed that the kid might be better or at LEAST more capable of taking chances and throwing the ball without having to have a WR college open. They know what they have, they know its not good enough, they know they are moving on, and they know they are NOTHING without a franchise QB. They had Cam and know what a difference it makes. 
So, I'm glad you got a good laugh but I'd do it again. Hell, I'd give the kid another shot next week and see how he deals with this and bounces back because he isnt as bad as yesterday showed - things just snowballed. If we had a 3rd string that wasnt Joe Webb and was a young guy, I'd give him a shot too if Peterman continued to show he isnt getting it. Its refreshing to see a regime not SETTLING for some journeyman scrub and not drafting/giving chances to young QBs. We passed on guys because we were content with Fitzpatrick/Orton/Cassel/Kolb and the list goes on because the goal was to make the freaking playoffs even if they got destroyed when they got there.
Whoever the ANTI-TYROD is, get em in there until dumb luck or number get someone to stick. Im David Garrard-ed  ERR Tyrod Taylor-ed out. The team wants to run THEIR O and pick the QB who fits rather than changing everything they do and dumbing it down for Taylor. Agree or disagree if thats the right move, thats the plan and I applaud it. Taylor (like Peterman the week before in garbage time) did come in and played with his hair on fire lowring his shoulder and taking some hits as well as was more open to throwing the ball downfield - which was good. And even though it was good to see, it was pretty obvious watching it he just isnt that type of player/qb. They want someone who has that skillset amd the process of finding that person has begun. That simple. 
Now, other things go into account such as locker room etc and I get that. But with the amount of Free Agents and scrubs I cant see more than 15 AT MOST of these guys back next year. Cheers to the Bills having a plan because all of the Mario Williams like shortcuts this team has bought over the years didnt do squat.
Enjoy your teams success - as a fan you deserve it and I hope you relish it. Dont be a goon and act like you know more about my team with some half informed lazy/easy hot take. You dont and I'd appreciate it if you stuck to what you know - arguing about Bortles future. Next year when you have Taylor, then you can tell me alllllll about it. 

I only read a couple paragraphs before I got bored but you're saying the move is a calculated risk, ok, fine, if that was the case, whoever made that decision should have absolutely no input from here on out on any player on the bills team. To see that guy day in and day out and to think Peterman gave a better chance of winning than tyrod did is an egregious mistake. Absolutely laughable decision.

You keep making excuses for Peterman or the bills and keep condeming tyrod, but the true problem with the bills football team is at the top. They have no idea what they're doing. The team is bad. The front office has pushed out a lot of the top tier talent and that's why you might be convincing yourself that Taylor isn't a good NFL qb.

Keep drinking that buffalo Kool aid.

Comeon man.... this isnt a tough concept to grasp. This regime has been to the playoffs recently in CAR. 17 years isnt on them nor should they feel the pressure for it to be. Theyve got 5 year deals and at least a 3 year plan. Rome wasnt built in a day. Before the year Beane even came out and said its going to be tough sledding with out a franchise guy so they are going to evaluate, figure out who they want going forward, start to shape the roster, and when they find the big tall pocket passer who puts a team on his back everything will be inplace. QB part is easier said then done - but man, after listening to other bumbling GMs come through here - this actually seems smart. They inherited a pretty poor and agning roster from Rex/Whaley and are continuing to purge. They havent even had a joint draft together. Your statments are making the incorrect assumption this team is balls to the wall trying to win now. Which again, with all due respect - why do you keep talking with the assumption you know what you're talking about when its pretty clear you dont. You know Jax. They had been pretty bad and had a lot of nice pieces already in house when Marrone came in. Bills roster just isnt like that. This year was going to be BAD. Then they got some bounces and squeeked out 5 wins with only the Raiders and Denver actually being impressive and decisive.  There are no Peterman excuses, and Tyrod is a class act... But being a classy guy isnt a reason to be a starter in the NFL. Again, its about wanting to be better and seeing a plan through. Its a work in progress, nothing more nothing less. Stick to what you know kid, I'm more than happy to fill you in!

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Whatever helps you sleep at night bro. You can twist things to support any argument. The facts are Taylor had his team in a playoff spot. Bills decided to throw a rookie in against a dangerous team with that pass rush and secondary. A time when you need a vet. Anyways, your team has given up over a 100 point over the last two weeks. Might as well keep tanking. If you can write novels about a solid NFL quarterback in Taylor, or a dt not on your team, you will have plenty to discuss with your team imploding top to bottom

I think thats the point... they dont care. Taylor isnt their guy and its time to figure out who is. Heck, the thought at the moment is Peterman might be back next week. No spin, No sleep aid, lets stop acting like this was a bigger mistake than it was. With this D (more so the player on it) they arent winning anything and they are smart enough to realize it. I just thank god no one has ever given you or Achillesheel the chance to run a football team. I thought the two of you had terrible takes...  icant imagine what would come out of the wood work w/you guys incharge

In the competitive world of the NFL, this take makes zero sense! This is a franchise flying by the seat of the pants and displaying ZERO smarts.

They knew what the had before the season started but decide to start sabotaging the season while they were still competitive? Yes, you evaluate your roster the whole year through but don't start eliminating pieces you don't like while your team is competing. You certainly don't throw your hands up because one phase of your team is struggling. Address the issues, make corrections and press forward because you can't make franchise level changes that matter until the offseason anyway. I'm stunned the front office and coaching staff are being lauded for lighting the match for this self-induced dumpster fire! I would have more respect if they maximized the talent available and remained competitive.

You bash the take of other posters on this forum, but your takes appear WAY out of line when compared to the general Bills community.

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Wow, this guy (Billsfan) would have been a straight Gene koolaid sipper if he was a jag fan. You had a team 3 games over 500 and you trade away the best DT for peanuts supposedly for 'culture' and then watch your run D plummet. Then you bench a decent QB (Taylor) for a rookie who is way out of his league and suffer a huge loss. And you are defending these moves? They are straight asinine. This is the opposite of what a winning team is supposed to do, you guys won't even get to a Rex Ryan 8-8 at this point.

The dysfunction probably goes deeper than the front office at this point. You have to think the owners are just trying to lose with some of the moves that have been made.

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Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

not my posts, but just a little perspective on the above comment and give it context MR Achilles

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/...o-realize/

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