when has a single person ever tried with an NFL stadium? When you quit thinking the stadium will only be for NFL activities and realize that everything hosted in a privately owned stadium would generate revenue for the owner you will understand...No NFL stadium is privately owned, therefor, no NFL owner makes money other than what is split between the city and the team for advertising and home ticket sales...Imagine a sell out concert in Wembely with a single owner who didn't have to split the money with anyone...BIG MONEY for any activity held there other than NFL games...

The owner of the stadium gets a leasing fee for each event and may or may not share ad revenue. They don't make a ton of money owning a stadium. If you make a lot of money, why would you sell the stadium that was raking in the cash?

Wembley is too large to host most events. It has been cut to basically nothing. The NFL isn't going to pay him a lot to use the stadium, they'll pay the standard leasing fee.

So unless there is some unknown increase in revenue coming that the current owners were so inept, then he won't be making money. Unless the Superbowl is coming, he loses money or moves the Jags.

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It's an investment...You make money over the long haul and events...If the stadium hosted a few concerts a year, a few sporting events (other than NFL games) and other things Wembley has hosted in the past, he would make a good amount of money, then compound it by a number of years...Khan knows it needs renovated, he's ok with that...Look what he's done to the stadium in Jax...He will do the renovations needed to attract events and people...I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't build something similar to Daly's Place...

Once Mr. Khan renovates the stadium, he will find activities for the stadium to host...If Mr Khan didn't think there was money to be made by buying Wembley, he wouldn't have put in a bid to do so...He is a self made multi billionaire, I think I will trust his judgment over anyone on this board

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The owner of the stadium gets a leasing fee for each event and may or may not share ad revenue. They don't make a ton of money owning a stadium. If you make a lot of money, why would you sell the stadium that was raking in the cash?

Wembley is too large to host most events. It has been cut to basically nothing. The NFL isn't going to pay him a lot to use the stadium, they'll pay the standard leasing fee.

So unless there is some unknown increase in revenue coming that the current owners were so inept, then he won't be making money. Unless the Superbowl is coming, he loses money or moves the Jags.

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It's an investment...You make money over the long haul and events...If the stadium hosted a few concerts a year, a few sporting events (other than NFL games) and other things Wembley has hosted in the past, he would make a good amount of money, then compound it by a number of years...Khan knows it needs renovated, he's ok with that...Look what he's done to the stadium in Jax...He will do the renovations needed to attract events and people...I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't build something similar to Daly's Place...

Once Mr. Khan renovates the stadium, he will find activities for the stadium to host...If Mr Khan didn't think there was money to be made by buying Wembley, he wouldn't have put in a bid to do so...He is a self made multi billionaire, I think I will trust his judgment over anyone on this board

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The owner of the stadium gets a leasing fee for each event and may or may not share ad revenue. They don't make a ton of money owning a stadium. If you make a lot of money, why would you sell the stadium that was raking in the cash?

Wembley is too large to host most events. It has been cut to basically nothing. The NFL isn't going to pay him a lot to use the stadium, they'll pay the standard leasing fee.

So unless there is some unknown increase in revenue coming that the current owners were so inept, then he won't be making money. Unless the Superbowl is coming, he loses money or moves the Jags.

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It's an investment...You make money over the long haul and events...If the stadium hosted a few concerts a year, a few sporting events (other than NFL games) and other things Wembley has hosted in the past, he would make a good amount of money, then compound it by a number of years...Khan knows it needs renovated, he's ok with that...Look what he's done to the stadium in Jax...He will do the renovations needed to attract events and people...I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't build something similar to Daly's Place...

Once Mr. Khan renovates the stadium, he will find activities for the stadium to host...If Mr Khan didn't think there was money to be made by buying Wembley, he wouldn't have put in a bid to do so...He is a self made multi billionaire, I think I will trust his judgment over anyone on this board

15-20 years isn't a great return. Self made billionaires fail all the time, they keep trying though and find good ideas.

By the time he covers the costs, plus the stadium already needs repairs, it will be time to tear it down.

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It's an investment...You make money over the long haul and events...If the stadium hosted a few concerts a year, a few sporting events (other than NFL games) and other things Wembley has hosted in the past, he would make a good amount of money, then compound it by a number of years...Khan knows it needs renovated, he's ok with that...Look what he's done to the stadium in Jax...He will do the renovations needed to attract events and people...I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't build something similar to Daly's Place...

Once Mr. Khan renovates the stadium, he will find activities for the stadium to host...If Mr Khan didn't think there was money to be made by buying Wembley, he wouldn't have put in a bid to do so...He is a self made multi billionaire, I think I will trust his judgment over anyone on this board

15-20 years isn't a great return. Self made billionaires fail all the time, they keep trying though and find good ideas.

By the time he covers the costs, plus the stadium already needs repairs, it will be time to tear it down.

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If there was no money to be made by the purchase of Wembley Stadium, no one would bid on it...I trust a self made multi billionaire's senses more than middle class message board posters who work for other people...Nothing personal, or trying to be insulting, I'm just saying Shad Khan has made more money than anyone on this message board ever will and I believe he has a better idea of how to invest money to make money than anyone on this message board

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It's an investment...You make money over the long haul and events...If the stadium hosted a few concerts a year, a few sporting events (other than NFL games) and other things Wembley has hosted in the past, he would make a good amount of money, then compound it by a number of years...Khan knows it needs renovated, he's ok with that...Look what he's done to the stadium in Jax...He will do the renovations needed to attract events and people...I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't build something similar to Daly's Place...

Once Mr. Khan renovates the stadium, he will find activities for the stadium to host...If Mr Khan didn't think there was money to be made by buying Wembley, he wouldn't have put in a bid to do so...He is a self made multi billionaire, I think I will trust his judgment over anyone on this board

15-20 years isn't a great return. Self made billionaires fail all the time, they keep trying though and find good ideas.

By the time he covers the costs, plus the stadium already needs repairs, it will be time to tear it down.

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The possibilities for revenue from Wembley are practically endless. Many are already in place.

I'd wager that Khan can return the capital investment in less than 10 years without a problem and be sitting on a goldmine in terms of the inflated worth of the property at that time. 

MSG rakes in over 100 million in gross revenue annually. There is no reason why that model cannot apply to Wembley. And it's more than 4 times the capacity!

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I don’t think there is a question over whether Khan can eventually make a profit on Wembley, I think it’s whether that was his sole aim.

I’m not talking about moving the Jaguars here - I’m talking about getting a bigger say on the games played there, a bigger share of the profits and maybe playing an extra game there.

Making money will be part of it too, and he’ll probably do very well out of it.

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15-20 years isn't a great return. Self made billionaires fail all the time, they keep trying though and find good ideas.

By the time he covers the costs, plus the stadium already needs repairs, it will be time to tear it down.

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The possibilities for revenue from Wembley are practically endless. Many are already in place.

I'd wager that Khan can return the capital investment in less than 10 years without a problem and be sitting on a goldmine in terms of the inflated worth of the property at that time. 

MSG rakes in over 100 million in gross revenue annually. There is no reason why that model cannot apply to Wembley. And it's more than 4 times the capacity!

So endless that the stadium sits empty 11 months of the year, while MSG (an indoor arena) has events most nights of the year.

This is too either keep the Jaguars playing a game in London or to move the team.

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The possibilities for revenue from Wembley are practically endless. Many are already in place.

I'd wager that Khan can return the capital investment in less than 10 years without a problem and be sitting on a goldmine in terms of the inflated worth of the property at that time. 

MSG rakes in over 100 million in gross revenue annually. There is no reason why that model cannot apply to Wembley. And it's more than 4 times the capacity!

So endless that the stadium sits empty 11 months of the year, while MSG (an indoor arena) has events most nights of the year.

This is too either keep the Jaguars playing a game in London or to move the team.

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It's not Khan's fault that the current ownership of Wembley does a bad job of managing, booking, and promoting the facility. 

That will change. Just as things around Everbank Stadium have changed. 

How much money do you think 4 sold out nights of Ed Sheeran concerts and four sold-out nights of Taylor Swift concerts are bringing to the stadium ownership this spring and summer in London? 

You don't see the scope of the revenue this place is already making and what it will become under aggressive ownership whose far and away primary agenda is not just soccer.

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I don’t think there is a question over whether Khan can eventually make a profit on Wembley, I think it’s whether that was his sole aim.

I’m not talking about moving the Jaguars here - I’m talking about getting a bigger say on the games played there, a bigger share of the profits and maybe playing an extra game there.

Making money will be part of it too, and he’ll probably do very well out of it.

Of course it wasn't his sole aim, but he won't let potential revenue choose other venues if he can draw them to Wembley instead. I expect they will aim to book the facility much more aggressively than it has been in recent years.

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MSG rakes in over 100 million in gross revenue annually. There is no reason why that model cannot apply to Wembley. And it's more than 4 times the capacity!

MSG has the NBA and NHL playing there (which represents ~ 80 nights per year) and on their off nights just throw in Billy Freaking Joel who the New Yorkers are senselessly infatuated with.  Perhaps Shad can reel in Paul McCartney full time to play in Wembley.

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MSG rakes in over 100 million in gross revenue annually. There is no reason why that model cannot apply to Wembley. And it's more than 4 times the capacity!

MSG has the NBA and NHL playing there (which represents ~ 80 nights per year) and on their off nights just throw in Billy Freaking Joel who the New Yorkers are senselessly infatuated with.  Perhaps Shad can reel in Paul McCartney full time to play in Wembley.

I realize what takes place at MSG. I also realize the potential for soccer, rugby, NFL football, and just about anything under the sun to register similar numbers at Wembley with exponentially more people in attendance for the more popular events. 

If MSG can gross 43 million in its last quarter reported, why can't Wembley aspire to something similar? 
It will take some transition time and some deal-making with various leagues, concert promoters and convention planners, but they could absolutely use MSG's wide-ranging and oft-booked model as a guide. 

Looking at the schedule - they already have lots going on in my opinion, just not frequently enough.

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MSG rakes in over 100 million in gross revenue annually. There is no reason why that model cannot apply to Wembley. And it's more than 4 times the capacity!

MSG has the NBA and NHL playing there (which represents ~ 80 nights per year) and on their off nights just throw in Billy Freaking Joel who the New Yorkers are senselessly infatuated with.  Perhaps Shad can reel in Paul McCartney full time to play in Wembley.

How dare you speak ill of Billy Joel!

(Excuse me while I go out into the new York weather to get a pastrami on rye.)

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MSG has the NBA and NHL playing there (which represents ~ 80 nights per year) and on their off nights just throw in Billy Freaking Joel who the New Yorkers are senselessly infatuated with.  Perhaps Shad can reel in Paul McCartney full time to play in Wembley.

I realize what takes place at MSG. I also realize the potential for soccer, rugby, NFL football, and just about anything under the sun to register similar numbers at Wembley with exponentially more people in attendance for the more popular events. 

If MSG can gross 43 million in its last quarter reported, why can't Wembley aspire to something similar? 
It will take some transition time and some deal-making with various leagues, concert promoters and convention planners, but they could absolutely use MSG's wide-ranging and oft-booked model as a guide. 

Looking at the schedule - they already have lots going on in my opinion, just not frequently enough.

Wembley can definitely be better utilized and marketed to be more of a money maker for khan. Like you said elsewhere, things can change like they have been at everbank. 

It's a good investment for him.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

Peter king was just talking about it. Not saying the jags are moving to london but pretty close. Saying khan keeping his options open. Hope you guys can keep your team

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MSG has the NBA and NHL playing there (which represents ~ 80 nights per year) and on their off nights just throw in Billy Freaking Joel who the New Yorkers are senselessly infatuated with.  Perhaps Shad can reel in Paul McCartney full time to play in Wembley.

I realize what takes place at MSG. I also realize the potential for soccer, rugby, NFL football, and just about anything under the sun to register similar numbers at Wembley with exponentially more people in attendance for the more popular events. 

If MSG can gross 43 million in its last quarter reported, why can't Wembley aspire to something similar? 
It will take some transition time and some deal-making with various leagues, concert promoters and convention planners, but they could absolutely use MSG's wide-ranging and oft-booked model as a guide. 

Looking at the schedule - they already have lots going on in my opinion, just not frequently enough.

It's too big for soccer, unless it's a big rival or game. Look at the current attendance #s, ~68,000, it holds 90,000.

The current offer is at cost, not for a profit. Jags really need to hope someone else buys it because otherwise it is only a matter of time before he moves the team.

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When has anyone made money on owning a stadium? If that were the case every NFL owner would simply pay for his own stadium. The only times where an owner paid for a stadium was in cities where outside revenue from the team being located there made it crucial to stay (in the case of LA, projected revenue).

when has a single person ever tried with an NFL stadium? When you quit thinking the stadium will only be for NFL activities and realize that everything hosted in a privately owned stadium would generate revenue for the owner you will understand...No NFL stadium is privately owned, therefor, no NFL owner makes money other than what is split between the city and the team for advertising and home ticket sales...Imagine a sell out concert in Wembely with a single owner who didn't have to split the money with anyone...BIG MONEY for any activity held there other than NFL games...

This is not true.

Carolina's stadium is privately owned, as is the Dallas stadium.

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I realize what takes place at MSG. I also realize the potential for soccer, rugby, NFL football, and just about anything under the sun to register similar numbers at Wembley with exponentially more people in attendance for the more popular events. 

If MSG can gross 43 million in its last quarter reported, why can't Wembley aspire to something similar? 
It will take some transition time and some deal-making with various leagues, concert promoters and convention planners, but they could absolutely use MSG's wide-ranging and oft-booked model as a guide. 

Looking at the schedule - they already have lots going on in my opinion, just not frequently enough.

It's too big for soccer, unless it's a big rival or game. Look at the current attendance #s, ~68,000, it holds 90,000.

The current offer is at cost, not for a profit. Jags really need to hope someone else buys it because otherwise it is only a matter of time before he moves the team.

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68,000 tickets generates lots of money.  They don't have to sell out avery event to make profit.  Many events will have even lower numbers. Every single contract to use a stadium is different - and the percentages kept by the house vary according to projected sales.

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I realize what takes place at MSG. I also realize the potential for soccer, rugby, NFL football, and just about anything under the sun to register similar numbers at Wembley with exponentially more people in attendance for the more popular events. 

If MSG can gross 43 million in its last quarter reported, why can't Wembley aspire to something similar? 
It will take some transition time and some deal-making with various leagues, concert promoters and convention planners, but they could absolutely use MSG's wide-ranging and oft-booked model as a guide. 

Looking at the schedule - they already have lots going on in my opinion, just not frequently enough.

It's too big for soccer, unless it's a big rival or game. Look at the current attendance #s, ~68,000, it holds 90,000.

The current offer is at cost, not for a profit. Jags really need to hope someone else buys it because otherwise it is only a matter of time before he moves the team.

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I think it’s a bit more complicated than that.

It’s too big for Spurs (who are playing their home games there this season while their new stadium is built). They’ve sold it out for some big games, but the haven’t got enough fans to sell it out for 20+ games a season. Their average was 63,000 (although that average was dragged down by a couple of poorly attended minor cup matches)

The same would be true of Fulham, if they ever moved there.

Cup finals, on the other hand, usually sell out, and big music concerts can get around 100,000 (they use the pitch as well as the seats).

England international attendances can vary, depending on how well the team is playing. But the average for the recent World Cup qualifiers was 82,000.

It’ll be interesting to see what stays and what goes elsewhere if Khan buys the stadium. I think there might be some resistance to moving international matches and cup finals elsewhere, for instance. And that might be something that has to be agreed when the sale is made.

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It's too big for soccer, unless it's a big rival or game. Look at the current attendance #s, ~68,000, it holds 90,000.

The current offer is at cost, not for a profit. Jags really need to hope someone else buys it because otherwise it is only a matter of time before he moves the team.

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I think it’s a bit more complicated than that.

It’s too big for Spurs (who are playing their home games there this season while their new stadium is built). They’ve sold it out for some big games, but the haven’t got enough fans to sell it out for 20+ games a season. Their average was 63,000 (although that average was dragged down by a couple of poorly attended minor cup matches)

The same would be true of Fulham, if they ever moved there.

Cup finals, on the other hand, usually sell out, and big music concerts can get around 100,000 (they use the pitch as well as the seats).

England international attendances can vary, depending on how well the team is playing. But the average for the recent World Cup qualifiers was 82,000.

It’ll be interesting to see what stays and what goes elsewhere if Khan buys the stadium. I think there might be some resistance to moving international matches and cup finals elsewhere, for instance. And that might be something that has to be agreed when the sale is made.

I meant for a premier team, not the cups and national team matches as those are usually full.

I doubt any of the existing cups or international matches move, unless the NFL is playing there every week.

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when has a single person ever tried with an NFL stadium? When you quit thinking the stadium will only be for NFL activities and realize that everything hosted in a privately owned stadium would generate revenue for the owner you will understand...No NFL stadium is privately owned, therefor, no NFL owner makes money other than what is split between the city and the team for advertising and home ticket sales...Imagine a sell out concert in Wembely with a single owner who didn't have to split the money with anyone...BIG MONEY for any activity held there other than NFL games...

This is not true.

Carolina's stadium is privately owned, as is the Dallas stadium.

AT&T Stadium, formerly Cowboys Stadium, is a retractable roof stadium in Arlington, Texas, United States. It serves as the home of the Dallas Cowboys of the National Football League (NFL) and was completed on May 27, 2009. It is also the home of the Cotton Bowl Classic. The facility, owned by the city of Arlington, can also be used for a variety of other activities such as concerts, basketball games, college and high school football contests, soccer matches, rodeos and motocross and Spartan races. It replaced the partially covered Texas Stadium, which served as the Cowboys' home from 1971 through the 2008 season.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Stadium

[font=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]Bank of America stadium is owned by Carolinas Stadium which in fact is a a private company https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/compa...adium-corp 
Ownership
(Management)
Carolinas Stadium Corp
(Carolinas Stadium Corp[/font]

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You know, for some reason, I'm just not interested in arguing about whether I'm going to lose my team.

It's sort of like arguing over whether my wife is too pretty for me and whether therefore she will eventually leave me for someone better looking.

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This is not true.

Carolina's stadium is privately owned, as is the Dallas stadium.

AT&T Stadium, formerly Cowboys Stadium, is a retractable roof stadium in Arlington, Texas, United States. It serves as the home of the Dallas Cowboys of the National Football League (NFL) and was completed on May 27, 2009. It is also the home of the Cotton Bowl Classic. The facility, owned by the city of Arlington, can also be used for a variety of other activities such as concerts, basketball games, college and high school football contests, soccer matches, rodeos and motocross and Spartan races. It replaced the partially covered Texas Stadium, which served as the Cowboys' home from 1971 through the 2008 season.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Stadium

[font=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]Bank of America stadium is owned by Carolinas Stadium which in fact is a a private company https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/compa...adium-corp 
Ownership
(Management)
Carolinas Stadium Corp
(Carolinas Stadium Corp[/font]

So I was half right.  Just about average for me.  My day is done!  

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