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imtheblkranger · 12-19-2018, 10:40 AM

(12-18-2018, 11:28 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote:
(12-16-2018, 11:49 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: He could have been a hall of famer?! Hahahahahaha

WORST TAKE EVER

My god......

Since you liked this post of mine, for the record, flgatorsandjags, I was agreeing with Cleatwood that you are out of your mind on that one.

Mikey · 12-19-2018, 10:57 AM

(12-18-2018, 12:42 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(12-17-2018, 11:14 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I've seen interviews with three different GMs (including Caldwell) over the years that claim the opposite of this statement.
At least for fair compensation for the move.

That's because GM's ask too much in return. IMO, if I don't wanna pick as high as I am, because I don't see an elite player at a position of need for my team and I want 2 first round picks to move down, but my highest offer is a first and a third, I'm taking the best available offer. What good does it do to stick to a price tag and end up either taking a player who isn't going to help your team right away or to overdraft the guy you really want, when you can have him several picks later, but the price tag to move down, didn't meet your expectations? It does nothing. I'd much rather move down, select the guy I want at the draft position I had him slotted in and pocket the additional draft picks, even if they were lower than expected.

So now you get fleeced on your trade (per your own valuation), and by the time your new pick comes due, the player you targeted was drafted by someone two picks previous.

Now what?

TheO-LineMatters · 12-19-2018, 01:56 PM

(12-19-2018, 10:57 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(12-18-2018, 12:42 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: That's because GM's ask too much in return. IMO, if I don't wanna pick as high as I am, because I don't see an elite player at a position of need for my team and I want 2 first round picks to move down, but my highest offer is a first and a third, I'm taking the best available offer. What good does it do to stick to a price tag and end up either taking a player who isn't going to help your team right away or to overdraft the guy you really want, when you can have him several picks later, but the price tag to move down, didn't meet your expectations? It does nothing. I'd much rather move down, select the guy I want at the draft position I had him slotted in and pocket the additional draft picks, even if they were lower than expected.

So now you get fleeced on your trade (per your own valuation), and by the time your new pick comes due, the player you targeted was drafted by someone two picks previous.

Now what?

What if he doesn't and what if you don't have a single player targeted, but instead have two or three that you grade equally? That is the case I see, if Haskins doesn't declare. I really don't have another QB targeted. I have Herbert, Grier and Lock rated close enough together that any one of them would be o.k., I guess. I really want Haskins and if he declares, I either stay put or even move up to secure getting him. If he doesn't enter the draft, I trade back as far as possible, adding 2020 picks and I take Herbert, Grier or Lock, because none of those 3 stand out to me, but they do have potential to be very good.

JackCity · 12-19-2018, 02:13 PM

(12-18-2018, 06:26 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(12-17-2018, 12:41 PM)JackCity Wrote: Haskins posted "one more year" on Mike Webers insta. I think he'd be dumb to not to come out and be QB1 but that's interesting...

Weber just declared for the draft yesterday, so this, along with Meyer leaving could help influence Haskins to turn pro.

Nah, the post Haskins commented on was Weber declaring, hehdeclared a few days ago.

Meyer leaving does help though

Mikey · 12-20-2018, 03:34 PM

(12-19-2018, 01:56 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(12-19-2018, 10:57 AM)Mikey Wrote: So now you get fleeced on your trade (per your own valuation), and by the time your new pick comes due, the player you targeted was drafted by someone two picks previous.

Now what?

What if he doesn't and what if you don't have a single player targeted, but instead have two or three that you grade equally? That is the case I see, if Haskins doesn't declare. I really don't have another QB targeted. I have Herbert, Grier and Lock rated close enough together that any one of them would be o.k., I guess. I really want Haskins and if he declares, I either stay put or even move up to secure getting him. If he doesn't enter the draft, I trade back as far as possible, adding 2020 picks and I take Herbert, Grier or Lock, because none of those 3 stand out to me, but they do have potential to be very good.

10-4. The previous post sounded like the discussion was about a particular player. I'm ok with this line of thought, but man, I really hope we aren't the one getting fleeced on a draft day trade.

Eric1 · 12-20-2018, 06:29 PM

So, is he just waiting until after the Rose Bowl to announce he's going Pro, or is he really going to turn down a guaranteed top 10 pick and around $30m to go back to Ohio State?

Cleatwood · 12-20-2018, 06:46 PM

(12-20-2018, 06:29 PM)Eric1 Wrote: So, is he just waiting until after the Rose Bowl to announce he's going Pro, or is he really going to turn down a guaranteed top 10 pick and around $30m to go back to Ohio State?

I think he’s waiting til after the Rose Bowl.

Eric1 · 12-20-2018, 07:10 PM

(12-20-2018, 06:46 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(12-20-2018, 06:29 PM)Eric1 Wrote: So, is he just waiting until after the Rose Bowl to announce he's going Pro, or is he really going to turn down a guaranteed top 10 pick and around $30m to go back to Ohio State?
I think he’s waiting til after the Rose Bowl.

You'd have to assume so. He did say he was for sure going to play in it yea?

irontrooper83 · 12-20-2018, 07:17 PM

(12-20-2018, 07:10 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(12-20-2018, 06:46 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: I think he’s waiting til after the Rose Bowl.

You'd have to assume so. He did say he was for sure going to play in it yea?

Yes he said he's surely going to play regardless of if he declares or not.Said it last week or something like that.

Eric1 · 12-20-2018, 07:37 PM

(12-20-2018, 07:17 PM)irontrooper83 Wrote:
(12-20-2018, 07:10 PM)Eric1 Wrote: You'd have to assume so. He did say he was for sure going to play in it yea?

Yes he said he's surely going to play regardless of if he declares or not.Said it last week or something like that.

Ok, I thought I remembered hearing something like that, but wasn't entirely sure.

Kane · 12-21-2018, 01:15 PM

(12-18-2018, 10:04 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote:
(12-18-2018, 10:52 AM)Kane Wrote: From the posts I've read from you. You're wrong all the time, so there's that.
I'm sorry how can an opinion be wrong? I've seen about enough of your posts though. Don't bother responding. I won't see it anyway.

You've promised to block me before.
Also... you just said someone else is wrong a lot. How can their opinions be wrong?

You're trash. Your opinions are trash.
You know little to nothing about football.

Carry on.

Upper · 12-23-2018, 11:36 AM

Pretty uncommon that the advisory board to hand out first round grades to underclassmen. Haskins would be foolish to stay in school.

https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/1...6695642114

roycee · 12-23-2018, 12:03 PM

(12-23-2018, 11:36 AM)Upper Wrote: Pretty uncommon that the advisory board to hand out first round grades to underclassmen. Haskins would be foolish to stay in school.

https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/1...6695642114

Is it? Underclassmen usually make up a good chunk of first round picks it seems.

Flagler Jagsfan · 12-23-2018, 02:02 PM

Although I've been pushing for the Jags to draft Grier next year, I'm really warming up to the idea of getting Haskins. I personally think the Jags staff could ruin Grier. Conservative play calling and subpar offense is not suited for a QB that is use to playing in a spread offense. We're probably gonna need a QB that can take matters into his own hands and can scramble and take a few hits. If Bologna is still in control, it will probably be much of the same style of offense

Upper · 12-23-2018, 02:03 PM

Yeah many do wind up being first round picks, but they're usually given later draft grades from the draft advisory panel.

JackCity · 12-23-2018, 05:48 PM

He'll look better as a Giant anyway

copycat · 12-23-2018, 06:23 PM

Any chance we had we blew by winning today me thinks. This team always disappoints whether it be losing when they should win or winning when I want them to lose. I am going to be the old Bear's joke in the end. When I die let my pall bearer's be Jaguar's players because they always let me down.

Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired 1995 - 2020

At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.

TheO-LineMatters · 12-23-2018, 07:13 PM

(12-23-2018, 05:48 PM)JackCity Wrote: He'll look better as a Giant anyway

No. He won't! I've never been one to trade up in the draft. The only time I was willing to do so, is when Andrew Luck came out. I was ready to give up any amount to get him. Now, I'm willing to "trade the farm" to get Haskins. If it takes 3 first round picks, so be it. I'm sick of not having a QB. It doesn't matter if the Giants pick ahead of us or behind us. I'm willing to trade up as high as possible (even #1), if it means securing Haskins.

flgatorsandjags · 12-23-2018, 07:22 PM

(12-23-2018, 07:13 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(12-23-2018, 05:48 PM)JackCity Wrote: He'll look better as a Giant anyway

No. He won't! I've never been one to trade up in the draft. The only time I was willing to do so, is when Andrew Luck came out. I was ready to give up any amount to get him. Now, I'm willing to "trade the farm" to get Haskins. If it takes 3 first round picks, so be it. I'm sick of not having a QB. It doesn't matter if the Giants pick ahead of us or behind us. I'm willing to trade up as high as possible (even #1), if it means securing Haskins.

Good God

JackCity · 12-23-2018, 07:24 PM

(12-23-2018, 07:13 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(12-23-2018, 05:48 PM)JackCity Wrote: He'll look better as a Giant anyway

No. He won't! I've never been one to trade up in the draft. The only time I was willing to do so, is when Andrew Luck came out. I was ready to give up any amount to get him. Now, I'm willing to "trade the farm" to get Haskins. If it takes 3 first round picks, so be it. I'm sick of not having a QB. It doesn't matter if the Giants pick ahead of us or behind us. I'm willing to trade up as high as possible (even #1), if it means securing Haskins.

Now apply all of this logic to the Giants.