No. He won't! I've never been one to trade up in the draft. The only time I was willing to do so, is when Andrew Luck came out. I was ready to give up any amount to get him. Now, I'm willing to "trade the farm" to get Haskins. If it takes 3 first round picks, so be it. I'm sick of not having a QB. It doesn't matter if the Giants pick ahead of us or behind us. I'm willing to trade up as high as possible (even #1), if it means securing Haskins.

Now apply all of this logic to the Giants.

What? That they would want to trade up as well? I thought of that. They have a lot more needs than we do, particularly on defense. Maybe they don't wanna give up so many draft picks. Other than QB, We really only need O-Line help and a TE or WR. We have the ability to trade away a lot more in picks. The Giants don't have a 3rd round pick and we have two of them. We can fill our needs in this draft and become a contender in 2019 with the right QB, even if we trade our first rounder this coming year, 2020 and in 2021. The Giants are probably a couple of years away from contending, because even if the do get a QB, their defense needs a lot of upgrades. Our defense is solid. We only need to upgrade the passing attack. I can't go another season with question marks at the QB position. Right now, I have Haskins as the only guy in the draft (if he enters), with franchise potential. It's time to commit and commit hard.

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No. He won't! I've never been one to trade up in the draft. The only time I was willing to do so, is when Andrew Luck came out. I was ready to give up any amount to get him. Now, I'm willing to "trade the farm" to get Haskins. If it takes 3 first round picks, so be it. I'm sick of not having a QB. It doesn't matter if the Giants pick ahead of us or behind us. I'm willing to trade up as high as possible (even #1), if it means securing Haskins.

Good God

Are you satisfied with what we've had at QB for years? Sometimes you have to give up a lot to get "your guy." Do you think the Chiefs regret trading up? What about the Rams trading up for Goff or the Bears trading up for Trubisky? Those all look like great moves IMO. Why is it wrong for us to do the same?

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Now apply all of this logic to the Giants.

What? That they would want to trade up as well? I thought of that. They have a lot more needs than we do, particularly on defense. Maybe they don't wanna give up so many draft picks. Other than QB, We really only need O-Line help and a TE or WR. We have the ability to trade away a lot more in picks. The Giants don't have a 3rd round pick and we have two of them. We can fill our needs in this draft and become a contender in 2019 with the right QB, even if we trade our first rounder this coming year, 2020 and in 2021. The Giants are probably a couple of years away from contending, because even if the do get a QB, their defense needs a lot of upgrades. Our defense is solid. We only need to upgrade the passing attack. I can't go another season with question marks at the QB position. Right now, I have Haskins as the only guy in the draft (if he enters), with franchise potential. It's time to commit and commit hard.

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Good God

Are you satisfied with what we've had at QB for years? Sometimes you have to give up a lot to get "your guy." Do you think the Chiefs regret trading up? What about the Rams trading up for Goff or the Bears trading up for Trubisky? Those all look like great moves IMO. Why is it wrong for us to do the same?

They're gonna be drafting a QB and are gonna move up to get them+ they will have to give you less. 

Our best hope is Herbert and Haskins both come out but NY falls in love with Herbert

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Now apply all of this logic to the Giants.

What? That they would want to trade up as well? I thought of that. They have a lot more needs than we do, particularly on defense. Maybe they don't wanna give up so many draft picks. Other than QB, We really only need O-Line help and a TE or WR. We have the ability to trade away a lot more in picks. The Giants don't have a 3rd round pick and we have two of them. We can fill our needs in this draft and become a contender in 2019 with the right QB, even if we trade our first rounder this coming year, 2020 and in 2021. The Giants are probably a couple of years away from contending, because even if the do get a QB, their defense needs a lot of upgrades. Our defense is solid. We only need to upgrade the passing attack. I can't go another season with question marks at the QB position. Right now, I have Haskins as the only guy in the draft (if he enters), with franchise potential. It's time to commit and commit hard.

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Good God

Are you satisfied with what we've had at QB for years? Sometimes you have to give up a lot to get "your guy." Do you think the Chiefs regret trading up? What about the Rams trading up for Goff or the Bears trading up for Trubisky? Those all look like great moves IMO. Why is it wrong for us to do the same?

If they felt that way about a QB in this draft they wouldn't of won today.   The Rams were at 15 and traded for 1 and the Chiefs gave no where near 3 1sts.  Haskins is decent but he is starting to get Teddy level overrated.  Giving up 3 firsts for a guy that will possibly be there when we pick could be the end of this franchise and I dont want to see that.  More times than not it has failed when teams trade the farm for a player and we dont have that to risk.  If we made that trade our franchise would probably be on the line.  Even if he was the guy all it would take is one injury

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What? That they would want to trade up as well? I thought of that. They have a lot more needs than we do, particularly on defense. Maybe they don't wanna give up so many draft picks. Other than QB, We really only need O-Line help and a TE or WR. We have the ability to trade away a lot more in picks. The Giants don't have a 3rd round pick and we have two of them. We can fill our needs in this draft and become a contender in 2019 with the right QB, even if we trade our first rounder this coming year, 2020 and in 2021. The Giants are probably a couple of years away from contending, because even if the do get a QB, their defense needs a lot of upgrades. Our defense is solid. We only need to upgrade the passing attack. I can't go another season with question marks at the QB position. Right now, I have Haskins as the only guy in the draft (if he enters), with franchise potential. It's time to commit and commit hard.

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Are you satisfied with what we've had at QB for years? Sometimes you have to give up a lot to get "your guy." Do you think the Chiefs regret trading up? What about the Rams trading up for Goff or the Bears trading up for Trubisky? Those all look like great moves IMO. Why is it wrong for us to do the same?

They're gonna be drafting a QB and are gonna move up to get them+ they will have to give you less. 

Our best hope is Herbert and Haskins both come out but NY falls in love with Herbert

The difference between us and New York will only be a pick or two, when it's all said and done assuming both teams lose next week. I don't care if we have to give up more to get ahead of the Giants. I don't wanna take the risk of them selecting Haskins, because as of now, I believe we are picking #9 and I don't see another QB that I would be comfortable taking in the top 20 picks. I just wouldn't do it.

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What? That they would want to trade up as well? I thought of that. They have a lot more needs than we do, particularly on defense. Maybe they don't wanna give up so many draft picks. Other than QB, We really only need O-Line help and a TE or WR. We have the ability to trade away a lot more in picks. The Giants don't have a 3rd round pick and we have two of them. We can fill our needs in this draft and become a contender in 2019 with the right QB, even if we trade our first rounder this coming year, 2020 and in 2021. The Giants are probably a couple of years away from contending, because even if the do get a QB, their defense needs a lot of upgrades. Our defense is solid. We only need to upgrade the passing attack. I can't go another season with question marks at the QB position. Right now, I have Haskins as the only guy in the draft (if he enters), with franchise potential. It's time to commit and commit hard.

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Are you satisfied with what we've had at QB for years? Sometimes you have to give up a lot to get "your guy." Do you think the Chiefs regret trading up? What about the Rams trading up for Goff or the Bears trading up for Trubisky? Those all look like great moves IMO. Why is it wrong for us to do the same?

If they felt that way about a QB in this draft they wouldn't of won today.   The Rams were at 15 and traded for 1 and the Chiefs gave no where near 3 1sts.  Haskins is decent but he is starting to get Teddy level overrated.  Giving up 3 firsts for a guy that will possibly be there when we pick could be the end of this franchise and I dont want to see that.  More times than not it has failed when teams trade the farm for a player and we dont have that to risk.  If we made that trade our franchise would probably be on the line.  Even if he was the guy all it would take is one injury

I think that goes directly to the idiocy of this coaching staff. 

I didn't mean we just hand over 3 first round picks. Obviously, we negotiate starting much lower and hopefully, it doesn't take that much to move up. I was just using that as an example of how high I would go. As far as the Haskins comparison to Teddy Bridgewater, the only thing they have in common is that they are both black, dropback QB's. After that, the comparison ends. Haskins is significantly better than Bridgewater at every facet of the position. 

The franchise will be on the line if we overdraft a QB like Grier, Herbert or Lock and they fail like Bortles did. I would refuse to draft any of them in the top 20 picks. It's just too much of a risk IMO. Taking that kind of risk and striking out, would set this franchise back another 5 years. I can't go through that again. As far as the draft picks, you just weigh them against what you have. We have a talented defense. If we don't use any pick on defense this year, I'm o.k. with that. I really think we need a new NT, but as long as we get Haskins and an upgraded O-Line, I'm happy. I don't think using a couple first round selections or even 3, hurts us that badly, if we come away with a franchise QB.

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If they felt that way about a QB in this draft they wouldn't of won today.   The Rams were at 15 and traded for 1 and the Chiefs gave no where near 3 1sts.  Haskins is decent but he is starting to get Teddy level overrated.  Giving up 3 firsts for a guy that will possibly be there when we pick could be the end of this franchise and I dont want to see that.  More times than not it has failed when teams trade the farm for a player and we dont have that to risk.  If we made that trade our franchise would probably be on the line.  Even if he was the guy all it would take is one injury

I think that goes directly to the idiocy of this coaching staff. 

I didn't mean we just hand over 3 first round picks. Obviously, we negotiate starting much lower and hopefully, it doesn't take that much to move up. I was just using that as an example of how high I would go. As far as the Haskins comparison to Teddy Bridgewater, the only thing they have in common is that they are both black, dropback QB's. After that, the comparison ends. Haskins is significantly better than Bridgewater at every facet of the position. 

The franchise will be on the line if we overdraft a QB like Grier, Herbert or Lock and they fail like Bortles did. I would refuse to draft any of them in the top 20 picks. It's just too much of a risk IMO. Taking that kind of risk and striking out, would set this franchise back another 5 years. I can't go through that again. As far as the draft picks, you just weigh them against what you have. We have a talented defense. If we don't use any pick on defense this year, I'm o.k. with that. I really think we need a new NT, but as long as we get Haskins and an upgraded O-Line, I'm happy. I don't think using a couple first round selections or even 3, hurts us that badly, if we come away with a franchise QB.

Where did I say Haskins is like Teddy?  Teddy was touted as the next Manning, Brady, Montana.  Haskins is starting to get that level of overrated on this board.  You say it's to much of a risk to draft Grier, Herber, or Lock but then you want a guy that started 1 year in college, had the best receiving corps in college other than maybe Alabama, and a coach in Urban Meyer that is an offensive college mastermind that schemes for his QB and gets WR wide open, not to mention far from great arm strength.  Haskins is a decent QB and prospect but one could argue Grier, Lock, or Herbert could be the better prospect.  I have faith Tom will bring in the right GM for the job and he wont trade away the farm for anyone in this draft and stay pat and make the right pick and still have your future 1sts like the way it should be done.

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I think that goes directly to the idiocy of this coaching staff. 

I didn't mean we just hand over 3 first round picks. Obviously, we negotiate starting much lower and hopefully, it doesn't take that much to move up. I was just using that as an example of how high I would go. As far as the Haskins comparison to Teddy Bridgewater, the only thing they have in common is that they are both black, dropback QB's. After that, the comparison ends. Haskins is significantly better than Bridgewater at every facet of the position. 

The franchise will be on the line if we overdraft a QB like Grier, Herbert or Lock and they fail like Bortles did. I would refuse to draft any of them in the top 20 picks. It's just too much of a risk IMO. Taking that kind of risk and striking out, would set this franchise back another 5 years. I can't go through that again. As far as the draft picks, you just weigh them against what you have. We have a talented defense. If we don't use any pick on defense this year, I'm o.k. with that. I really think we need a new NT, but as long as we get Haskins and an upgraded O-Line, I'm happy. I don't think using a couple first round selections or even 3, hurts us that badly, if we come away with a franchise QB.

Where did I say Haskins is like Teddy?  Teddy was touted as the next Manning, Brady, Montana.  Haskins is starting to get that level of overrated on this board.  You say it's to much of a risk to draft Grier, Herber, or Lock but then you want a guy that started 1 year in college, had the best receiving corps in college other than maybe Alabama, and a coach in Urban Meyer that is an offensive college mastermind that schemes for his QB and gets WR wide open, not to mention far from great arm strength.  Haskins is a decent QB and prospect but one could argue Grier, Lock, or Herbert could be the better prospect.  I have faith Tom will bring in the right GM for the job and he wont trade away the farm for anyone in this draft and stay pat and make the right pick and still have your future 1sts like the way it should be done.

I don't remember that at all. I also don't believe Haskins is overrated. In fact, I started the season with Haskins not even on my radar and he impressed me more and more every week. Trubisky only started for one year and he has been very impressive this season, to my complete surprise. Starting only one season in college is not a complete deterrent to drafting a guy. 

Haskins has very good arm strength. maybe not as strong as a guy like Drew Lock who has a cannon, but Haskins is better than average. I guess you could argue that Grier, Lock or Herbert could be better prospects, but IMO, you'd be dead wrong. Unlike you, I don't have faith Tom will bring in a new GM at all, much less the right one. In fact, other than a new OC, I think everything will be status quo for next year. I don't think we'll trade up and I believe we will overdraft the wrong QB and be in the same situation we are in currently, five years from now. Seriously, what makes you think anything will change? Blind faith?

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Where did I say Haskins is like Teddy?  Teddy was touted as the next Manning, Brady, Montana.  Haskins is starting to get that level of overrated on this board.  You say it's to much of a risk to draft Grier, Herber, or Lock but then you want a guy that started 1 year in college, had the best receiving corps in college other than maybe Alabama, and a coach in Urban Meyer that is an offensive college mastermind that schemes for his QB and gets WR wide open, not to mention far from great arm strength.  Haskins is a decent QB and prospect but one could argue Grier, Lock, or Herbert could be the better prospect.  I have faith Tom will bring in the right GM for the job and he wont trade away the farm for anyone in this draft and stay pat and make the right pick and still have your future 1sts like the way it should be done.

I don't remember that at all. I also don't believe Haskins is overrated. In fact, I started the season with Haskins not even on my radar and he impressed me more and more every week. Trubisky only started for one year and he has been very impressive this season, to my complete surprise. Starting only one season in college is not a complete deterrent to drafting a guy. 

Haskins has very good arm strength. maybe not as strong as a guy like Drew Lock who has a cannon, but Haskins is better than average. I guess you could argue that Grier, Lock or Herbert could be better prospects, but IMO, you'd be dead wrong. Unlike you, I don't have faith Tom will bring in a new GM at all, much less the right one. In fact, other than a new OC, I think everything will be status quo for next year. I don't think we'll trade up and I believe we will overdraft the wrong QB and be in the same situation we are in currently, five years from now. Seriously, what makes you think anything will change? Blind faith?

Unfortunately, I agree with most of your predictions. Caldwell will be back despite his terrible track record with high draft picks. How can we expect him to find the right quarterback when he drafted Bortles and passed on Watson and Mahomes to select Fournette. Coughlin may have been mostly responsible for the Fournette pick, but Caldwell was still the G.M. Yesterday's win means it is likely that the Jags will not necessarily have their choice of selecting their highest rated quarterback. 

I just hope that this team will finally get lucky by ending up with the guy who inevitably takes them back to the playoffs. Between Herbert, Haskins, Lock and Grier NOBODY knows for sure which q.b. will end up as the best of the group. Lock has the best arm, Grier has the "it" factor and grit which Coughlin loves, Haskins has the best combination of overall traits desired in an NFL q.b. and Herbert has the highest ceiling. The Jaguars will need to not only get their evaluations of these guys correct, but also be lucky that "THEIR" guy is still on the board when they pick. None of these guys appear to be Andrew Luck, but who knew for sure how great Mahomes would turn out? The same can be said for eventual hall of famers Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Tom Brady. Will this be the draft when the Jaguars finally strike gold at the most important position after 3 huge whiffs (Byron, Blaine and Blake) in their short history? At least none of the top 4 prospects do not have a first name beginning with the letter "B."

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Where did I say Haskins is like Teddy?  Teddy was touted as the next Manning, Brady, Montana.  Haskins is starting to get that level of overrated on this board.  You say it's to much of a risk to draft Grier, Herber, or Lock but then you want a guy that started 1 year in college, had the best receiving corps in college other than maybe Alabama, and a coach in Urban Meyer that is an offensive college mastermind that schemes for his QB and gets WR wide open, not to mention far from great arm strength.  Haskins is a decent QB and prospect but one could argue Grier, Lock, or Herbert could be the better prospect.  I have faith Tom will bring in the right GM for the job and he wont trade away the farm for anyone in this draft and stay pat and make the right pick and still have your future 1sts like the way it should be done.

I don't remember that at all. I also don't believe Haskins is overrated. In fact, I started the season with Haskins not even on my radar and he impressed me more and more every week. Trubisky only started for one year and he has been very impressive this season, to my complete surprise. Starting only one season in college is not a complete deterrent to drafting a guy. 

Haskins has very good arm strength. maybe not as strong as a guy like Drew Lock who has a cannon, but Haskins is better than average. I guess you could argue that Grier, Lock or Herbert could be better prospects, but IMO, you'd be dead wrong. Unlike you, I don't have faith Tom will bring in a new GM at all, much less the right one. In fact, other than a new OC, I think everything will be status quo for next year. I don't think we'll trade up and I believe we will overdraft the wrong QB and be in the same situation we are in currently, five years from now. Seriously, what makes you think anything will change? Blind faith?

This one was gold but there are more that get better

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...ht=Manning

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I don't remember that at all. I also don't believe Haskins is overrated. In fact, I started the season with Haskins not even on my radar and he impressed me more and more every week. Trubisky only started for one year and he has been very impressive this season, to my complete surprise. Starting only one season in college is not a complete deterrent to drafting a guy. 

Haskins has very good arm strength. maybe not as strong as a guy like Drew Lock who has a cannon, but Haskins is better than average. I guess you could argue that Grier, Lock or Herbert could be better prospects, but IMO, you'd be dead wrong. Unlike you, I don't have faith Tom will bring in a new GM at all, much less the right one. In fact, other than a new OC, I think everything will be status quo for next year. I don't think we'll trade up and I believe we will overdraft the wrong QB and be in the same situation we are in currently, five years from now. Seriously, what makes you think anything will change? Blind faith?

This one was gold but there are more that get better

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...ht=Manning

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I don't even recognize the majority of the posters in that thread. Many of them could've been trolls and some looked like they got banned. I don't remember the national sports media over-hyping him. In fact, his stock fell a few weeks before the draft.

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This one was gold but there are more that get better

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...ht=Manning

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I don't even recognize the majority of the posters in that thread. Many of them could've been trolls and some looked like they got banned. I don't remember the national sports media over-hyping him. In fact, his stock fell a few weeks before the draft.

Some of those folks are still here under new usernames. 
Some of them were longtime contributors who got themselves banned from just repeatedly ignoring COC standards. 
The Bridgewater hype train was real around here.

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I don't even recognize the majority of the posters in that thread. Many of them could've been trolls and some looked like they got banned. I don't remember the national sports media over-hyping him. In fact, his stock fell a few weeks before the draft.

Some of those folks are still here under new usernames. 
Some of them were longtime contributors who got themselves banned from just repeatedly ignoring COC standards. 
The Bridgewater hype train was real around here.

I don't really pay attention to the board, when it comes to who hypes which player. I look more at ESPN, Fox Sports and CBS Sports and other major internet sports sites to gauge who is getting hyped and who isn't. When I say Bridgewater wasn't getting overhyped, I was talking by the so-called "experts" not a bunch of "joes" on this board. I guess we just get our information from different sources.

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They're gonna be drafting a QB and are gonna move up to get them+ they will have to give you less. 

Our best hope is Herbert and Haskins both come out but NY falls in love with Herbert

The difference between us and New York will only be a pick or two, when it's all said and done assuming both teams lose next week. I don't care if we have to give up more to get ahead of the Giants. I don't wanna take the risk of them selecting Haskins, because as of now, I believe we are picking #9 and I don't see another QB that I would be comfortable taking in the top 20 picks. I just wouldn't do it.

You're missing the point I'm making repeatedly

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The difference between us and New York will only be a pick or two, when it's all said and done assuming both teams lose next week. I don't care if we have to give up more to get ahead of the Giants. I don't wanna take the risk of them selecting Haskins, because as of now, I believe we are picking #9 and I don't see another QB that I would be comfortable taking in the top 20 picks. I just wouldn't do it.

You're missing the point I'm making repeatedly

I agree with you though, i think he would look better in a Giants uni

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The difference between us and New York will only be a pick or two, when it's all said and done assuming both teams lose next week. I don't care if we have to give up more to get ahead of the Giants. I don't wanna take the risk of them selecting Haskins, because as of now, I believe we are picking #9 and I don't see another QB that I would be comfortable taking in the top 20 picks. I just wouldn't do it.

You're missing the point I'm making repeatedly

What is your point? Just be blunt and get to the point. To me, it comes down to whichever team wants him more and is willing to give up the most to move up. Period.

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You're missing the point I'm making repeatedly

What is your point? Just be blunt and get to the point. To me, it comes down to whichever team wants him more and is willing to give up the most to move up. Period.

Last year the Jets gave up THREE 2nd round picks to move up on 3 spots from #6 to #3 overall. 
(That included giving up their #6 as well of course)
Sounds like what you are suggesting will cost a lot more than that if I'm reading you right. 

That's a hard sacrifice to justify if we end up sitting at #6 or #7 after losing to the tinhorns next week.

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You're missing the point I'm making repeatedly

What is your point? Just be blunt and get to the point. To me, it comes down to whichever team wants him more and is willing to give up the most to move up. Period.

I dont think either will trade up for him and I think he will be there when we pick.  But will we pick him or one of the other QBs?  That is the question.  I just hope our new GM dont get fleeced like you would

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You're missing the point I'm making repeatedly

What is your point? Just be blunt and get to the point. To me, it comes down to whichever team wants him more and is willing to give up the most to move up. Period.

My point is the Giants are in the driver seat when it comes to QBs. Whatever logic you are applying to the jags for getting Haskins, you must also apply it to the Giants

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What is your point? Just be blunt and get to the point. To me, it comes down to whichever team wants him more and is willing to give up the most to move up. Period.

Last year the Jets gave up THREE 2nd round picks to move up on 3 spots from #6 to #3 overall. 
(That included giving up their #6 as well of course)
Sounds like what you are suggesting will cost a lot more than that if I'm reading you right. 

That's a hard sacrifice to justify if we end up sitting at #6 or #7 after losing to the tinhorns next week.

When it comes to getting a franchise QB, I believe it is easily justified. We haven't had a franchise QB since Mark Brunell. If it weren't for the position of QB being so important, I'd never advocate trading up. Most years I'm begging to trade down. Quarterbacks are just so important to winning franchises though, that when you spot one you want, you do anything you can to get him.

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What is your point? Just be blunt and get to the point. To me, it comes down to whichever team wants him more and is willing to give up the most to move up. Period.

I dont think either will trade up for him and I think he will be there when we pick.  But will we pick him or one of the other QBs?  That is the question.  I just hope our new GM dont get fleeced like you would

I don't care about the cost at all. I just want a true franchise QB. I don't care who it is, as long as they are successful. IMO, Haskins just has the highest percentage of being successful in the NFL. If we don't get him though, I'll be cheering for which ever QB we pick. I'm just sick of not having a good QB, and I'd pay any amount to get one.

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What is your point? Just be blunt and get to the point. To me, it comes down to whichever team wants him more and is willing to give up the most to move up. Period.

My point is the Giants are in the driver seat when it comes to QBs. Whatever logic you are applying to the jags for getting Haskins, you must also apply it to the Giants

My logic is that you outbid them. They have the higher pick, but they have a ton of needs and don't have a 3rd round selection. Our needs are mainly on the O-Line, (outside of the QB position) and we have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, where the Giants only have 2. IMO, that gives us a slight edge. The logic is a bit different for both teams, because the Giants have a lot more holes to fill. You can't apply the same logic to both teams, because they are in different situations. The Giants desperately need an edge rusher, linebacker, RT, Center, NT and another CB. Maybe they might not be in a position to trade up and still have hope to upgrade those other needs. With 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, we could trade away a 1st and 3rd this year and future picks and still be in good shape to upgrade the O-Line, while getting our QB.

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