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Haskins or Foles
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(01-18-2019, 02:40 PM)Jags02 Wrote:(01-18-2019, 12:03 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: I don't think they will need to trade the farm but do you think Houston or KC is regretting tarding a 1st rounder for their QBs? If you believe the QB is a franchise guy, you do what it takes to get them. Some on here and around the league think Haskins is that type of guy. Others don't. Frankly, Mahomes wasn't Mahomes. Until, of course, he was. I still don't buy Watson, and it remains to be seen if Mayfield can keep the mojo going. Haskins has enough traits that he can be elite. He's very intelligent, his arm gets the job done, and he does everything you want your QB to do. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (01-18-2019, 11:54 AM)Jags02 Wrote:(01-18-2019, 09:48 AM)hb1148 Wrote: I agree with the strategy if not the players. I'd take a hard look at Bridgewater and I wouldn't trade away the farm for Haskins. Although the sky's the limit in one sense, there's also a high risk factor there. If the cost is too high, I'd like to see them consider Daniel Jones. In a dream scenario, they could go OL in the 1st round and Jones somehow falls to them in the second round. The main concern with Bridgewater is injury. He was actually developing pretty nicely before he got hurt. I had watched him particularly because I'd wanted the Jaguars to draft him. He's a much better player than Blake, accurate, makes quick decisions and limits mistakes, Blake's weak areas. He's not a franchise player certainly but if he were, we wouldn't think of him as being a bridge QB. I have been watching a bit of Haskins lately with all the talk. Watching the highlights makes you say wow; watching the cutups of the games makes you wonder. I don't think I've ever seen him look off or go to a secondary receiver. As Pete Prisco likes to say, he's Larry Lock-on. That doesn't mean he can't be coached out of it, he probably can and he throws an amazing ball very accurate, but there's going to be growing pains at the least when he makes it to the NFL. I'd hate to have the Jags give away draft picks for a guy that could end up being less than expected.
I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.
(01-18-2019, 04:25 PM)hb1148 Wrote:(01-18-2019, 11:54 AM)Jags02 Wrote: I don't even get the attraction to Bridgewater especially at his price. The two top FA QBs are Tyrod Taylor and Teddy. Think about it, and ask yourself if either is really that much better than Blake. If you think either is, you'll have to explain yourself, and even then, you need to ask yourself if the guy is truly worth more than $20 mil per year as I suspect they'll command as the top FAs. That's quite a lot of money to spend on additional garbage especially when we're already spending so much on Blake whether or not we keep him. One of the best and most accurate posts I've seen on Haskins. Well done.
(01-18-2019, 03:27 PM)JaguarKick Wrote:(01-18-2019, 02:40 PM)Jags02 Wrote: I hear you, but Haskins isn't Mahomes. Amusing. Both will be better than the starting QB for the Jags for the next 2 seasons... and probably beyond that. Not to mention both are better than any QB the Jags ever had.
(01-18-2019, 04:58 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:(01-18-2019, 03:27 PM)JaguarKick Wrote: Frankly, Mahomes wasn't Mahomes. Until, of course, he was. I still don't buy Watson, and it remains to be seen if Mayfield can keep the mojo going. Haskins has enough traits that he can be elite. He's very intelligent, his arm gets the job done, and he does everything you want your QB to do. Watson wilted in the biggest game of his career so far. And he throws a very large amount of dirtballs. We saw what he is without a healthy Hopkins. I'm a Baker fan, but he makes questionable decisions so far. Neither is better than Brunell was. At least not yet. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
how about neither.....now the draft is another story.
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(01-18-2019, 06:14 PM)JaguarKick Wrote:Can you elaborate on Baker making questionable decisions? Because he just set the TD record and he had a high completion % for a rookie (64%)(5. Not to mention he had a 93.7 rating.... as a rookie.(01-18-2019, 04:58 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: Amusing. He has room to improve and that should scare the AFC North.
(01-18-2019, 08:01 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:(01-18-2019, 06:14 PM)JaguarKick Wrote: Watson wilted in the biggest game of his career so far. And he throws a very large amount of dirtballs. We saw what he is without a healthy Hopkins.Can you elaborate on Baker making questionable decisions? Because he just set the TD record and he had a high completion % for a rookie (64%)(5. Not to mention he had a 93.7 rating.... as a rookie. He thinks he can make it into windows that he can't always. I didn't watch him often this season, but when I did he threw questionable INTs, specifically in the Baltimore game. I think he's going to be good, but he hasn't arrived yet was my point.
Regardless of who is QB, you need to finish the OL and have playmakers in the passing game. Haskins or Foles can have success once these are fixed.
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I feel sorry for any franchise that feels they have to spend $20M/year on a sub-par Free agent QB
Would be interesting to see what people who don't like Haskins thought of Trubisky Vs Watson and Mahomes two years ago
I chose option 3 because you said go for broke on both the other options. I think my plan would be
1) Do not trade for a QB unless the contract is cheap and the price is cheap. 2) Keep Blake as backup or bridge QB 3) If a Foles or some other alternative is available for decent price grab him. For example, Foles is free agent and he's not getting huge offers. 4. If we get to pick 5 and Haskins is there, try and move up as long as it's not too expensive. 5. If he's not try and get a Grier or Jones in late 1st or early 2nd. We really should be exploring options like that Canadian League QB to see if we can find lightning in a bottle.
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (01-18-2019, 10:01 PM)JaguarKick Wrote:“Didn’t watch him often”(01-18-2019, 08:01 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: Can you elaborate on Baker making questionable decisions? Because he just set the TD record and he had a high completion % for a rookie (64%)(5. Not to mention he had a 93.7 rating.... as a rookie. Got it. (01-19-2019, 01:52 AM)newporttom Wrote: I chose option 3 because you said go for broke on both the other options. I think my plan would be I'm on board with this although I'd go as high as the #3 pick for Haskins. As it relates, another cheaper alternative I'd be ok with Fitzpatrick. Dude was on fire in several games last season.
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(01-21-2019, 07:47 PM)Jags02 Wrote:(01-19-2019, 01:52 AM)newporttom Wrote: I chose option 3 because you said go for broke on both the other options. I think my plan would be That sounds very reasonable. However, I think the pressure to win now will Results in the team Signing Foles. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(01-19-2019, 09:06 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:(01-18-2019, 10:01 PM)JaguarKick Wrote: He thinks he can make it into windows that he can't always. I didn't watch him often this season, but when I did he threw questionable INTs, specifically in the Baltimore game. I think he's going to be good, but he hasn't arrived yet was my point.“Didn’t watch him often” Cool, be a jerk. Whatever, man.
(01-17-2019, 11:33 AM)Mikey Wrote: If the OC was able to turn Foles from a backup into a valuable FA target, let's get a younger, cheaper guy and see if he can do it again. I say keep Bottles and draft Daniel Jones as his heir apparent. (01-19-2019, 01:52 AM)newporttom Wrote: I chose option 3 because you said go for broke on both the other options. I think my plan would be I agree with your assessment, with this qualifier. We draft Daniel Jones as our first pick if he is available.
Trading up for Haskins or even drafting him will doom this franchise for a decade.
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