He has good instincts and throws a nice deep ball.

Name is relatively easy to spell for us posters as long as you remember "i before e except after c"

So you're saying we should darft Lock instead, because we don't have to remember a rule?

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He has good instincts and throws a nice deep ball.

Name is relatively easy to spell for us posters as long as you remember "i before e except after c"

So you're saying we should darft Lock instead, because we don't have to remember a rule?

I'm thinking that having Lock and playing Luck 2x per year is going to confuse a good portion of our fanbase.  Otherwise, drafting Lock was the best choice.  I still go back to Byron vs Brian Leftwich and and David Garrard vs Jarrard.  We can't risk another selection that brings confusion and now that I think about it, spelling Grier may be asking too much.  We may need to draft Dan Jones

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Wellllll I'm probably being petty but I disliked that he didn't play in the bowl game; they might have lost anyway, but he would've made a big difference.

I HATE watching WVU lose to Syracuse. Happens way too often whenever they play

So petty you wanted him to play with torn ankle ligaments?

Although I'm not sure why this news is just now coming out.... but whatever... him not playing in the bowl mattered little to me.

Can he play? (accuracy, release, a type personality, check check check)
Can we get him? (reach at 7? will he fall to round 2?)

That's all that matters.

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Wellllll I'm probably being petty but I disliked that he didn't play in the bowl game; they might have lost anyway, but he would've made a big difference.

I HATE watching WVU lose to Syracuse. Happens way too often whenever they play

At least you know you're being petty.

Guess you wouldn't draft Bosa and CMac too.

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At the time, I had no idea he WAS injured. I just thought he was wanting to focus on the Senior Bowl and the draft.

But I would've taken Bosa, no question. Not that that's related to this thread anyway.

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What is Grier's limitations?

His arm is around average at best velocity wise. He makes the most of it with a quick release and set up but floats a lot , especially to the sideline. Similar to Rudolph actually in that his deep ball has great placement and he's generally accurate but his actual arm is meh.  He can play in the NFL with it and do well but it's something you have to scheme around.    

He loves throwing off his back foot reagrdless of the situation and although some of these plays end up spectacular, it's not conducive to success in the NFL. A lot of his picks in college are a product of that. Way more fixable than the arm issue but it's a bad habit for sure.

He's pretty maxed out traits wise. The Grier we have now isn't likely to change too much. That's a good thing because he's already relatively advanced with the small details and provides a good floor but also bad because his growth will mostly be based on the scheme and talent he gets to play in. Compared to someone like Haskins who is a bit more raw but has oodles more traits to grow into.


And that's all to say I'm still a big Grier fan, probably watched around 25 of his games for a deep dive I wanna write on him but the limitations are there too.

https://twitter.com/AllProAnalytics/stat...20992?s=19

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Grier looked good in that practice today. Hit Sills in stride down the sideline at one point with a perfect throw that didn’t float and showed NFL velocity.

I don’t think that second round grade will last long after this week’s festivities are concluded.

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His arm is around average at best velocity wise. He makes the most of it with a quick release and set up but floats a lot , especially to the sideline. Similar to Rudolph actually in that his deep ball has great placement and he's generally accurate but his actual arm is meh.  He can play in the NFL with it and do well but it's something you have to scheme around.    

He loves throwing off his back foot reagrdless of the situation and although some of these plays end up spectacular, it's not conducive to success in the NFL. A lot of his picks in college are a product of that. Way more fixable than the arm issue but it's a bad habit for sure.

He's pretty maxed out traits wise. The Grier we have now isn't likely to change too much. That's a good thing because he's already relatively advanced with the small details and provides a good floor but also bad because his growth will mostly be based on the scheme and talent he gets to play in. Compared to someone like Haskins who is a bit more raw but has oodles more traits to grow into.


And that's all to say I'm still a big Grier fan, probably watched around 25 of his games for a deep dive I wanna write on him but the limitations are there too.

https://twitter.com/AllProAnalytics/stat...20992?s=19

That's not bad at all.

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Not sure how. Accurate this website is or if the measurement is initial or delivery but Grier is above average according to them.

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quar...2008-2015/

For perspective Its higher than Patrick mahomes

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Grier looked good in that practice today.  Hit Sills in stride down the sideline at one point with a perfect throw that didn’t float and showed NFL velocity.

I don’t think that second round grade will last long after this week’s festivities are concluded.

I could’ve told you that. Assuming his character checks out he’ll be a lock in the 1st.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Grier looked good in that practice today.  Hit Sills in stride down the sideline at one point with a perfect throw that didn’t float and showed NFL velocity.

I don’t think that second round grade will last long after this week’s festivities are concluded.

Who gave him a 2nd round grade?

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Grier looked good in that practice today.  Hit Sills in stride down the sideline at one point with a perfect throw that didn’t float and showed NFL velocity.

I don’t think that second round grade will last long after this week’s festivities are concluded.

Who gave him a 2nd round grade?

Nothing official. Just the chatter from various twitter analysts. Lots of people calling him a second rounder.

I don’t see him getting out of the first and I’d actually consider him at #7.

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Who gave him a 2nd round grade?

Nothing official. Just the chatter from various twitter analysts. Lots of people calling him a second rounder.

I don’t see him getting out of the first and I’d actually consider him at #7.

I would take him at 7 too. 

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https://twitter.com/AllProAnalytics/stat...9319724033

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His arm is around average at best velocity wise. He makes the most of it with a quick release and set up but floats a lot , especially to the sideline. Similar to Rudolph actually in that his deep ball has great placement and he's generally accurate but his actual arm is meh.  He can play in the NFL with it and do well but it's something you have to scheme around.    

He loves throwing off his back foot reagrdless of the situation and although some of these plays end up spectacular, it's not conducive to success in the NFL. A lot of his picks in college are a product of that. Way more fixable than the arm issue but it's a bad habit for sure.

He's pretty maxed out traits wise. The Grier we have now isn't likely to change too much. That's a good thing because he's already relatively advanced with the small details and provides a good floor but also bad because his growth will mostly be based on the scheme and talent he gets to play in. Compared to someone like Haskins who is a bit more raw but has oodles more traits to grow into.


And that's all to say I'm still a big Grier fan, probably watched around 25 of his games for a deep dive I wanna write on him but the limitations are there too.

https://twitter.com/AllProAnalytics/stat...20992?s=19

You should know by now not to pay any heed to velocity scores Vs how they play on the field

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If you think velocity scores show exactly how hard QBs can throw then you must also think Cody Kessler can throw the ball as hard as Joe Flacco, or that Andy Dalton can throw the ball as hard as Cam.

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The kid wants to be a pro. I'm not even a fan of his, I got Haskins over him, but he legit lives a very pro life and he did so as a heismann candidate. Mature kid. His family is full of online kids who reek attention, Will Grier is the opposite. I wouldn't mind him at all. Not at #7, but second round or late first sure.

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You should know by now not to pay any heed to velocity scores Vs how they play on the field

Yeah we learned our lesson with this the last couple of years, obviously with Watson but also with a bunch of other dudes. Guys with average arms are trying like hell to throw as hard as possible for the scouts while the guys with cannons are trying to show developing finesse.

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You should know by now not to pay any heed to velocity scores Vs how they play on the field

Yeah we learned our lesson with this the last couple of years, obviously with Watson but also with a bunch of other dudes. Guys with average arms are trying like hell to throw as hard as possible for the scouts while the guys with cannons are trying to show developing finesse.

Grier Vs Tyree the perfect example of that this year from the little I have seen. 

I thought the Watson debacle would be enough to change minds. Like, at one point Allbright said Watson was undraftable due to his velocity score.

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https://twitter.com/AllProAnalytics/stat...20992?s=19

You should know by now not to pay any heed to velocity scores Vs how they play on the field

Oh  so now he has the velocity but he just dont use it in games? Show me some clips where he gets in trouble because of his arm strength in games

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After that throw, Grier is a definite first rounder just in case there was any doubt.

For the record, I just moved him up to my #2 spot after Haskins, and I'm ready to say let someone else trade up for Haskins and his lack of consistent deep game, and go ahead and draft Grier at #7. Really the only question with Grier was his arm strength, and he just proved that ain't no thang.

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