Yes. 

I don't want to pay 14 mil for a guy that will be 31 in July and doesn't want to be here. Especially when he caused so much drama in the last place he was unhappy. 
(and please tell me all about how he "wants to be here" because I guarantee the Jags with a question mark at QB are at the bottom of his wish list)

I want nothing to do with that situation.

How do you know he doesnt want to be here?  That is a whole different argument. If Tom tells him we are going to draft Kyler Murray and Brown thanks highly of Murray, there is no telling.  Brown has at least 3 years or more of play in his prime.  Brown is built like Steve Smith, plays like Smith and a good bit better than Smith.  I see no reason why he cant play at an elite level into his mid 30s.  It isnt like he has had a history of injuries.   And to think Brown would be overpriced is comical.

Questions for you:

-  When do you think the steelers will be trying to get this trade done?  Do you think they'll just wait until the end of April when the Jags may or may not draft a QB?  Or do you think they'll jump on the best offer that comes their way between March 13 - April 25th?  

-  Now - if your argument is that the Jags will sign a FA QB on March 13/14th that Brown will want to come play -with then please go on to explain how in the hell they'll pay a top FA quarterback AND pay Antonio Brown?? 

AB doesn't want to come to an unknown QB situation and Coughlin will never go for it anyway.

Wanting to pay 14 mil per year for a 31 year old receiver is a sketchy proposition.
The guy is literally right at the tipping point where he's going to fall off of a cliff as a productive receiver at any moment. He's got one or two good years left if he's lucky. And he'll be relying on that "savvy vet route running" instead of speed. Because he'll be losing steps to young CBs as every month passes.

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How do you know he doesnt want to be here?  That is a whole different argument. If Tom tells him we are going to draft Kyler Murray and Brown thanks highly of Murray, there is no telling.  Brown has at least 3 years or more of play in his prime.  Brown is built like Steve Smith, plays like Smith and a good bit better than Smith.  I see no reason why he cant play at an elite level into his mid 30s.  It isnt like he has had a history of injuries.   And to think Brown would be overpriced is comical.

Questions for you:

-  When do you think the steelers will be trying to get this trade done?  Do you think they'll just wait until the end of April when the Jags may or may not draft a QB?  Or do you think they'll jump on the best offer that comes their way between March 13 - April 25th?  

-  Now - if your argument is that the Jags will sign a FA QB on March 13/14th that Brown will want to come play -with then please go on to explain how in the hell they'll pay a top FA quarterback AND pay Antonio Brown?? 

AB doesn't want to come to an unknown QB situation and Coughlin will never go for it anyway.

Wanting to pay 14 mil per year for a 31 year old receiver is a sketchy proposition.
The guy is literally right at the tipping point where he's going to fall off of a cliff as a productive receiver at any moment.  He's got one or two good years left if he's lucky. And he'll be relying on that "savvy vet route running" instead of speed. Because he'll be losing steps to young CBs as every month passes.

Do I think he will end up here?  Hell no, but I would love to go after him.   I would love it if we went after him though.  If he was a FA I think we would go after him but Tom and Dave value draft pick to much to trade away early picks.  You can sit there and speculate all you want but you really have no clue if Brown would want come here or not if we went after him.

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I knew I was forgetting someone. Hopkins over AB as well.

AB is a HOF WR.... no doubt. But he’s getting older and has really only produced with 1 QB. He’s never even caught a TD pass from another QB... even with Ben missing games.

lol, Brown is 30 and a top 5 All Time. Still has a good 3 or 4 years at an elite level.  What does him having to produce with 1 QB have anything to do with how good he is?   I bet if the Pats trade for him he will be even better.  Or if he goes to SF or GB he might get career highs as well.  Also Juju wont have the year he did this year when Brown leaves and is not drawing those double teams.  Brown had 15 TDs this year and if the Pats trade which I think is a possibility, I think he hits 20.  Brown will prove you wrong where ever he goes, we will come back to this thread.

You think Jimmy G is gonna be able to feed Brown like Ben did? You’re gonna be shocked a how much his numbers drop when he leaves a HOF QB, a bonafide #1 next to him in Juju, an elite running game and a top flight organization. They spread it around in NE, GB has Adams and SF is... well a bad team right now.

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lol, Brown is 30 and a top 5 All Time. Still has a good 3 or 4 years at an elite level.  What does him having to produce with 1 QB have anything to do with how good he is?   I bet if the Pats trade for him he will be even better.  Or if he goes to SF or GB he might get career highs as well.  Also Juju wont have the year he did this year when Brown leaves and is not drawing those double teams.  Brown had 15 TDs this year and if the Pats trade which I think is a possibility, I think he hits 20.  Brown will prove you wrong where ever he goes, we will come back to this thread.

You think Jimmy G is gonna be able to feed Brown like Ben did? You’re gonna be shocked a how much his numbers drop when he leaves a HOF QB, a bonafide #1 next to him in Juju, an elite running game and a top flight organization. They spread it around in NE, GB has Adams and SF is... well a bad team right now.

lol, Brown was putting up over 1800 yards and 10 TDs before Juju was even in the league, what do you mean lol?

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Questions for you:

-  When do you think the steelers will be trying to get this trade done?  Do you think they'll just wait until the end of April when the Jags may or may not draft a QB?  Or do you think they'll jump on the best offer that comes their way between March 13 - April 25th?  

-  Now - if your argument is that the Jags will sign a FA QB on March 13/14th that Brown will want to come play -with then please go on to explain how in the hell they'll pay a top FA quarterback AND pay Antonio Brown?? 

AB doesn't want to come to an unknown QB situation and Coughlin will never go for it anyway.

Wanting to pay 14 mil per year for a 31 year old receiver is a sketchy proposition.
The guy is literally right at the tipping point where he's going to fall off of a cliff as a productive receiver at any moment.  He's got one or two good years left if he's lucky. And he'll be relying on that "savvy vet route running" instead of speed. Because he'll be losing steps to young CBs as every month passes.

Do I think he will end up here?  Hell no, but I would love to go after him.   I would love it if we went after him though.  If he was a FA I think we would go after him but Tom and Dave value draft pick to much to trade away early picks.  You can sit there and speculate all you want but you really have no clue if Brown would want come here or not if we went after him.

Give me reasons why he'd want to come here over teams with a stable QB situation.  That's what we're really talking about.

 He's going to get offers from teams with QBs that he sees as desirable to play with. 

The Jags can only say "you're going to be playing with one of these three rookies." 

Why would he want that??

If the Jags sign a FA QB he'd want to work with - then they simply can't afford to pay Brown. That's not debatable.

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Do I think he will end up here?  Hell no, but I would love to go after him.   I would love it if we went after him though.  If he was a FA I think we would go after him but Tom and Dave value draft pick to much to trade away early picks.  You can sit there and speculate all you want but you really have no clue if Brown would want come here or not if we went after him.

Give me reasons why he'd want to come here over teams with a stable QB situation.  That's what we're really talking about.

 He's going to get offers from teams with QBs that he sees as desirable to play with. 

The Jags can only say "you're going to be playing with one of these three rookies." 

Why would he want that??

If the Jags sign a FA QB he'd want to work with - then they simply can't afford to pay Brown. That's not debatable.

My first post said if we dont go after Foles I hope we go after Brown.  All you can do is really hope as we have no control.  You are the one that speculates where Brown wants to go as have no clue.  He probably has enough confidence he can be good with any QB.  QB and WR are 2 of the biggest pieces we are missing and if Tom assures Brown we will be getting our franchise QB early in the draft he might just very well want to come here being we are only missing a few pieces.  We almost won it 2 years ago with Bortles at QB and Brown seen that first hand when we put them out in the divisional round.  Campbell already said he is going to be recruiting and if Ramsey is recruiting with him I think we would be a good destination for any player .  It has showed the last 2 off seasons as well that we are on the hot list of destinations for FA I can bold too lol

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Give me reasons why he'd want to come here over teams with a stable QB situation.  That's what we're really talking about.

 He's going to get offers from teams with QBs that he sees as desirable to play with. 

The Jags can only say "you're going to be playing with one of these three rookies." 

Why would he want that??

If the Jags sign a FA QB he'd want to work with - then they simply can't afford to pay Brown. That's not debatable.

...  He probably has enough confidence he can be good with any QB. 

No. He doesn't. He doesn't want to (refuses to) play with Ben Rothlisberger -  and you think he'll just be confident to play with any old QB??? 

C'mon, man.  Think it through. 

He doesn't want to go to a team saying "we're gonna try to draft 'x' to play QB. Maybe that will work out."

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...  He probably has enough confidence he can be good with any QB. 

No. He doesn't. He doesn't want to (refuses to) play with Ben Rothlisberger -  and you think he'll just be confident to play with any old QB??? 

C'mon, man.  Think it through. 

He doesn't want to go to a team saying "we're gonna try to draft 'x' to play QB. Maybe that will work out."

If the Jags tell him we are going to do what we can to get Kyler Murray, I think Brown would be all for it and I think most WR in this league would want to play with a guy like that.

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Either way I think we will get Foles and we wont have the cap space to go after Brown after that

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As it stands right now there's not gonna be much need to pay high money for Foles. The market isn't there for him

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As it stands right now there's not gonna be much need to pay high money for Foles. The market isn't there for him

That's good but how do you know what the market is?

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As it stands right now there's not gonna be much need to pay high money for Foles. The market isn't there for him

That's good but how do you know what the market is?

It's an opinion?

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That's good but how do you know what the market is?

It's an opinion?

Oh ok, you said it like you had a source

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It's an opinion?

Oh ok, you said it like you had a source

If I said "AJ Cann won't get a massive contract in free agency, the market isn't there for him"

Is that an opinion , or is that me pretending I have a source?

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It's an opinion?

Oh ok, you said it like you had a source

I mean you can also just look at the teams and take an educated guess as to who needs a starter. Miami, Jacksonville and Washington seem to be the only 3.

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25988...arket-2019

Interesting read, as we are on the topic of the QB market this offseason....

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Oh ok, you said it like you had a source

If I said "AJ Cann won't get a massive contract in free agency, the market isn't there for him"

Is that an opinion , or is that me pretending I have a source?

Let's see, a bust that has been one of the worst players on the Jags not getting a massive contract?  Shocked

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If I said "AJ Cann won't get a massive contract in free agency, the market isn't there for him"

Is that an opinion , or is that me pretending I have a source?

Let's see, a bust that has been one of the worst players on the Jags not getting a massive contract?  Shocked

Now we're getting somewhere, that was in fact an opinion based on what I know of the situation (i.e in this scenario, AJ Cann stinking). I used common sense and gave a take. No source involved.    

So if I said "Foles is not going to have a strong market" , that would also be an opinion based on what I know of this situation, without claiming I have a source.  

I know you've gotten caught up on the "nobody knows so you can't have an opinion" fallacy a few times before on here so hopefully this clears it up a bit.

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Let's see, a bust that has been one of the worst players on the Jags not getting a massive contract?  Shocked

Now we're getting somewhere, that was in fact an opinion based on what I know of the situation (i.e in this scenario, AJ Cann stinking). I used common sense and gave a take. No source involved.    

So if I said "Foles is not going to have a strong market" , that would also be an opinion based on what I know of this situation, without claiming I have a source.  

I know you've gotten caught up on the "nobody knows so you can't have an opinion" fallacy a few times before on here so hopefully this clears it up a bit.

Trying to finally dig yourself out of this hole I see.  When most people comment an opinion they usually you the word "think" or "I feel"  instead of stating something like it's a fact or you have a source.  Once again you just being a bit delusional in your own little world again

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Now we're getting somewhere, that was in fact an opinion based on what I know of the situation (i.e in this scenario, AJ Cann stinking). I used common sense and gave a take. No source involved.    

So if I said "Foles is not going to have a strong market" , that would also be an opinion based on what I know of this situation, without claiming I have a source.  

I know you've gotten caught up on the "nobody knows so you can't have an opinion" fallacy a few times before on here so hopefully this clears it up a bit.

Trying to finally dig yourself out of this hole I see.  When most people comment an opinion they usually you the word "think" or "I feel"  instead of stating something like it's a fact or you have a source.  Once again you just being a bit delusional in your own little world again

If I said "DK Metcalf is the best WR in the draft" , is that an opinion?

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