What they need is to have a franchise QB for once in the history of this organization.

I think Haskins has that ability. Consistent winning comes from great QB play. Sure you may have a down year (7-9) but you’ll also have plenty of 10-12 win seasons. I’d only want Foles if he was around 12-15 million a year. No way would I spend 20-25 million on him. Even if we got Foles at 15 million, I’d stil draft Haskins because he’s the future.

I'd totally understand that plan that if most the draftniks considered Haskins or Murray as super top level prospect. But most don't. Murray could be great, but has some big red flags and risks. Haskins has some very good qualities, but most are putting on the level of a better Trubisky.

Not to mention with that plan, the window to win those 10-12 games won't be until 2020/2021 at the earliest, most likely that means this Front Office/Coaching staff is gone by then and Yannick/Ramsey will be past their primes or long gone too.

I also don't think Foles will cost $25 million a year. I just don't see the market for it. Denver was the Jags main competition, but they took Flacco. Unless the Giants move on from Manning, no one else would make any big play for him.

Nobody thought Mahomes was a super top level prospect either and all hes done is look like he's about to take over the league for the next 10+ years. Most draftniks are wrong, a lot.

The only thing I've seen Haskins compared to Trubisky about is because they were both 1 year starters, that's it.

Ramsey is 24 and Ngakoue is 23.. They're just starting to enter their prime lol.. And paying Foles will just make it harder to re-sign them in 1-2 seasons.

Why couldn't a rookie QB help lead this team to a winning record in this coming season? Most people think Bortles is the worst QB in the world, yet this team was minutes away from the Super Bowl with him. 

This team is built around Defense and running the football. Limiting the QBs mistakes and trying to make it so he doesn't have to carry the team week by week. Sounds like a perfect situation for top 7 rookie QB to step into imo. Would there be some growing pains? Definitely, but we all know this team, regardless of who the QB is, isn't looking to go throw the ball around 40+ times per game.

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What they need is to have a franchise QB for once in the history of this organization.

I think Haskins has that ability. Consistent winning comes from great QB play. Sure you may have a down year (7-9) but you’ll also have plenty of 10-12 win seasons. I’d only want Foles if he was around 12-15 million a year. No way would I spend 20-25 million on him. Even if we got Foles at 15 million, I’d stil draft Haskins because he’s the future.

I'd totally understand that plan that if most the draftniks considered Haskins or Murray as super top level prospect. But most don't. Murray could be great, but has some big red flags and risks. Haskins has some very good qualities, but most are putting on the level of a better Trubisky.

Not to mention with that plan, the window to win those 10-12 games won't be until 2020/2021 at the earliest, most likely that means this Front Office/Coaching staff is gone by then and Yannick/Ramsey will be past their primes or long gone too.

I also don't think Foles will cost $25 million a year. I just don't see the market for it. Denver was the Jags main competition, but they took Flacco. Unless the Giants move on from Manning, no one else would make any big play for him.

Wait. What? So in one year, Ramsey and Yan will be past their prime? Explain.

With a run game and great D, this team could easily win 10 games next year with average QB play from Haskins. Also, Haskins is nothing like Trubisky so check where you’re getting that info.

When you have an elite/great QB, you give your team the best chance to win. Haskins, to me, has the chance. I would only rank him behind Mayfield and Darnold the past 2 seasons as prospects.

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I'd totally understand that plan that if most the draftniks considered Haskins or Murray as super top level prospect. But most don't. Murray could be great, but has some big red flags and risks. Haskins has some very good qualities, but most are putting on the level of a better Trubisky.

Not to mention with that plan, the window to win those 10-12 games won't be until 2020/2021 at the earliest, most likely that means this Front Office/Coaching staff is gone by then and Yannick/Ramsey will be past their primes or long gone too.

I also don't think Foles will cost $25 million a year. I just don't see the market for it. Denver was the Jags main competition, but they took Flacco. Unless the Giants move on from Manning, no one else would make any big play for him.

Wait. What? So in one year, Ramsey and Yan will be past their prime? Explain.

With a run game and great D, this team could easily win 10 games next year with average QB play from Haskins. Also, Haskins is nothing like Trubisky so check where you’re getting that info.

When you have an elite/great QB, you give your team the best chance to win. Haskins, to me, has the chance. I would only rank him behind Mayfield and Darnold the past 2 seasons as prospects.

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Only 5 of those QBs won 10 games their 1st season. Nearly every QB on that list started 3 or more starting seasons in college.
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More QB's with 10+ wins, but every single one of them again had 3 or more seasons starting college.

Murray and Haskins may be good, but there is no way either is or will be pro-ready to lead a team with Super Bowl expectations in the next 2 seasons. If either leads a team with 10 wins, it will be a huge exception to what has happened since 2000. 

In regards to Yannick and Ramsey, both are 2016 draft picks, at worst, one is franchised for the 2020 season. Cost for both will easily be in the $30-$40 million+ window. Nearly the rest other key pieces of this defense will be gone by then to afford that. So the window is over for that group.

Now if you are banking on them drafting replacements for all those defensive positions, that is fine, but it is still a different window. Plus, do you have any confidence in the Jag's FO to pull that off that many moving pieces?

Ramsey has been publicly making statements about signing big name free agents because he wants to win. If this team never gets back to the ACF Championship game by 2021, do you really think he will sign a long term contract here?

On top of all that, 2 seasons is a long time in football years. There is a reason most NFL players have short careers. Injuries happen. And the Jaguars have not historically been a lucky franchise.

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Regarding low experience QBs making an early splash... Sanchez went to two straight AFC title games, then crashed and burned. Experience does matter. One would have to beat tall odds to have not only an an instant impact, but a long successful NFL career without it.

Ramsey is arguably the most talented player we've had. Very early, but not a stretch of an argument by any means. IMO, his attitude has shown he's willing to go anywhere else but here just as much as stay here. I think for him he's looking for a situation to win and be the highest paid CB (or at least the best combination of the two.)

Yannick will take a lot to keep, too. Doesn't help when both watch what happened with Dante Fowler this season. I don't blame them.

If there's a team that needs help in those positions to help them raise a trophy, they will be pursued hard (and they'll be wanting to look outside for opportunity, especially if our own chances don't look good.)

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Regarding low experience QBs making an early splash... Sanchez went to two straight AFC title games, then crashed and burned.  Experience does matter.  One would have to beat tall odds to have not only an an instant impact, but a long successful NFL career without it.

Ramsey...

Yannick will take a lot to keep, ...

If there's a team that needs help in those positions to help them raise a trophy, they will be pursued hard (and they'll be wanting to look outside for opportunity, especially if our own chances don't look good.)

Id wager the team goes out of their way to reach agreements with these players before they are free agents. 

Also - don’t be surprised when Ngakoue gets a bigger deal than Ramsey - strictly based on positional value. 

DE salaries > CB salaries

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Regarding low experience QBs making an early splash... Sanchez went to two straight AFC title games, then crashed and burned.  Experience does matter.  One would have to beat tall odds to have not only an an instant impact, but a long successful NFL career without it.

Ramsey...

Yannick will take a lot to keep, ...

If there's a team that needs help in those positions to help them raise a trophy, they will be pursued hard (and they'll be wanting to look outside for opportunity, especially if our own chances don't look good.)

Id wager the team goes out of their way to reach agreements with these players before they are free agents. 

Also - don’t be surprised when Ngakoue gets a bigger deal than Ramsey - strictly based on positional value. 

DE salaries > CB salaries

I think Yannick will get around 16-18 million a year and Ramsey will get around 18-20 million a year.

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Eagles not gonna tag Foles

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Eagles not gonna tag Foles

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I'm not sure if them not tagging him actually increases the chances of him ending up here or not. It'll be fascinating to see which teams actually pursue him. Dolphins, Jags, Redskins, Giants... and none of them are guaranteed to be interested. Whatever happens, we better not swoop in with some stupid massive contract. This should be a buyers market.

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I’d be willing to bet that the Jaguars already have a deal in place for Foles.

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"I'm not mad, I'm proud of you. You took your first pinch like a man and you learn two great things in your life. Look at me, never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut." - Jimmy Conway

I’d be willing to bet that the Jaguars already have a deal in place for Foles.

Well hopefully not.

Not because I don't want him but because his value is diminishing by the day. No one really needs a QB so he has no negotiating tactics.

I would love it if the Jags could walk away with Foles and Haskins. Foles for roughly 12-15 million, still draft Haskins and ride into 2019 with the best QB room this team has ever seen.

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Foles payed as a true bridge QB and not as a future franchise guy makes him a lot more palatable even if I'd rather us draft Haskins

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Still feels like yet another trying not to lose move and not a trying to win move.

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I’d be willing to bet that the Jaguars already have a deal in place for Foles.

Well hopefully not.

Not because I don't want him but because his value is diminishing by the day. No one really needs a QB so he has no negotiating tactics.

I would love it if the Jags could walk away with Foles and Haskins. Foles for roughly 12-15 million, still draft Haskins and ride into 2019 with the best QB room this team has ever seen.

This this this. The position is that important, if we can double our chances of finding a QB that can lead us to glory we should definitely do it.

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Also, if your plan is to draft Haskins....it's also a good idea to pretend you want Foles badly too...

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Still feels like yet another trying not to lose move and not a trying to win move.

agreed. I say we take the big risk on Murray. The definition of insanity is.. well you know what it is. And the Jags have done it for far too long. Time to go all in

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Still feels like yet another trying not to lose move and not a trying to win move.

Signing a SB winning QB is a “trying not to lose move”? He’s certainly an upgrade over Bortles and took an inconsistent team to the playoffs again and almost had the Saints beaten. 

I’d say sign him then draft a QB to develop for a couple years

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Still feels like yet another trying not to lose move and not a trying to win move.

Signing a SB winning QB is a “trying not to lose move”? He’s certainly an upgrade over Bortles and took an inconsistent team to the playoffs again and almost had the Saints beaten. 

I’d say sign him then draft a QB to develop for a couple years

Lol, typical Upper post.

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Mwahahahaha

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...25056?s=19

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Foles and Grier the future at QB for the Jags. I can see it now. A championship is soon people

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Signing a SB winning QB is a “trying not to lose move”? He’s certainly an upgrade over Bortles and took an inconsistent team to the playoffs again and almost had the Saints beaten. 

I’d say sign him then draft a QB to develop for a couple years

Lol, typical Upper post.

Yeah typical me. Wanting to win championships and not settle for average.

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