Mike Kaye on Foles to Jags:

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2019/03/i-cove...ssion=true

Great article.  

Particularly interesting is the 9.3 attempts per game to TE Zack Ertz.

Maybe Hockenson becomes more of a consideration at 7.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

What the hell does last year have to do with it? 

Do you plan on having a repeat of that offense and it’s injuries?

In a vacuum - one of these QBs throws the football better than the other. And it’s not Blake Bortles. 

You can marginalize the upgrade all you’d like, but to ignore the reality that it is an upgrade is just dumb. 

And I’m not ignoring anything. But I’m getting really close to ignoring your ridiculous clinging to a bad qb.

This had nothing to do with clinging to Blake.  You want a marginal upgrade when he had wayyy better talent surrounding him. Foles is going to fail with these non thought out expectations.  He will not win until this staff builds a competent offense.  Yea blake needed that too but that's too much common sense.  If you think Foles is going to Brady, Brees or Rodgers this team I'm sorry for u.

LOL 

I’m over here talking about “marginal upgrade” and you’re putting words in my mouth like “Brady and Brees”

C’mon man. Read and think. 

The 2019 jags with help at o-line and TE plus Foles are better than they’d be with a number of other FA options. And def better than they’d be with Bortles. I’d rather take Haskins, but if they want the “safe” route, Foles plus two or three upgrades is not a bad way to go IMO.

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Here are some recent first round picks.  Consistency?   Don't discount the risk involved in drafting a QB.   

Blaine Gabbert
Ryan Tannehill
Blake Bortles
Jake Locker
Johnny Manziel
Teddy Bridgewater
Brandon Weeden
Christian Ponder
Paxton Lynch
Tim Tebow
Mason Rudolph
EJ Manuel

I don't get it.  So there's no risk in Foles?

There's a lot less risk, because he's played NFL football at a very high level and been a Super Bowl MVP.  So you know for sure he's capable of doing great things.   Granted, you don't really know how it will turn out with the Jaguars.   But he's a lot less of a risk than a draft pick.

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This had nothing to do with clinging to Blake.  You want a marginal upgrade when he had wayyy better talent surrounding him. Foles is going to fail with these non thought out expectations.  He will not win until this staff builds a competent offense.  Yea blake needed that too but that's too much common sense.  If you think Foles is going to Brady, Brees or Rodgers this team I'm sorry for u.

LOL 

I’m over here talking about “marginal upgrade” and you’re putting words in my mouth like “Brady and Brees”

C’mon man. Read and think. 

The 2019 jags with help at o-line and TE plus Foles are better than they’d be with a number of other FA options. And def better than they’d be with Bortles. I’d rather take Haskins, but if they want the “safe” route, Foles plus two or three upgrades is not a bad way to go IMO

If Foles was a starter for a full season or even a young backup with high upside i'd agree.  I want weapons more than a backup QB with hopes and dreams.  Spend the Money on Weapons and adding much needed depth to this team.  Its a waste to me.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

Why on earth was this moved?

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This is what I came away with as well.  If we need to fix all the things that hindered Bortles for Foles to be successful then what is the point of picking up Nick?

It was also nice to see a national writer point out the passion of this fan base.

The fact that he can actually throw a spiral?

Let me clarify, what I mean is cost vs reward with Foles.  Yes he is an upgrade but is it worth the cost as we upgrade the line, WR and RE?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

The fact that he can actually throw a spiral?

Let me clarify, what I mean is cost vs reward with Foles.  Yes he is an upgrade but is it worth the cost as we upgrade the line, WR and RE?

That is the rub though. Is foles an upgrade if we do not have enough money to upgrade the other positions? and if we do not upgrade the other positions by FA and draft rookiees, will they truely be good enough upgrades to make foles an upgrade?

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Foles isn't going to save this team, but I don't think anyone here honestly was expecting that

But is he an improvement over Bortles? Absolutely. Blake had to play a perfect game week in and week out in order for the offense to be competent enough to support a great defense. That is not how you win games these days.

I've not been under any illusion that Jacksonville's gonna win 10+ games this next season anyway. They  most likely won't. But staying their hand with bortles or just drafting a rookie QB and hoping for a change isn't going to cut it either. It's going to take time to undo the mess that the offense has become. This team is gonna have a new identity under the new OC, and having a veteran QB there to handle the reigns initially is not a bad thing.

If a rookie QB is drafted (And I'm sure we ALL hope that will be the case) There is absolutely no reason to throw them to the wolves; we've already seen how well that whole concept works in regards to both Gabbert and Bortles. Having a guy like Foles as a mentor is a benefit; it isn't like learning from Brady's knee, but that's not to say Foles can't have a positive impact on the position

I've heard this argument from fellow jags fans i know.  I just think Foles will have to learn a new offense and that will take an adjustment period.  We lack above average offensive talent at key positions amd it shows.  I have to get over us overlooking this last year and move on but i knew we needed a QB then.  Going in on Foles makes sense at a reduced price but he will struggle as well unless we acquire more weapons.  I've been yelling for weapons for 2 years now and hopefully we do something adequate.  Yes, Blake has had his time and not done enough; but i want to see how this New Offense looks and what players we acquire.  We need an upgrade on Offense.  Getting a new QB is cute but wont solve the glaring problems we've continued to have.

Hopefully having Joe DeFilippo limits what he would have to learn/adjust as they were together during the SB year.

As for the rest, most if not all are in agreement that even if #7 was a Rookie QB that the 2nd/3rd rounds needed to be TE/OL/WR picks.  Having Foles opens it up to be a Taylor/Hockenson/Metcalf @7.

Meaning the draft could go:
1st round: Starting RT/TE
2nd round: Starting RG/TE
3rd Round: TE
3rd Round: OG/TE/WR

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I've heard this argument from fellow jags fans i know.  I just think Foles will have to learn a new offense and that will take an adjustment period.  We lack above average offensive talent at key positions amd it shows.  I have to get over us overlooking this last year and move on but i knew we needed a QB then.  Going in on Foles makes sense at a reduced price but he will struggle as well unless we acquire more weapons.  I've been yelling for weapons for 2 years now and hopefully we do something adequate.  Yes, Blake has had his time and not done enough; but i want to see how this New Offense looks and what players we acquire.  We need an upgrade on Offense.  Getting a new QB is cute but wont solve the glaring problems we've continued to have.

Hopefully having Joe DeFilippo limits what he would have to learn/adjust as they were together during the SB year.

As for the rest, most if not all are in agreement that even if #7 was a Rookie QB that the 2nd/3rd rounds needed to be TE/OL/WR picks.  Having Foles opens it up to be a Taylor/Hockenson/Metcalf @7.

Meaning the draft could go:
1st round: Starting RT/TE
2nd round: Starting RG/TE
3rd Round: TE
3rd Round: OG/TE/WR

If we get Foles I want a grade A draft and something via FA.  Getting Taven rd 1 last ye when we had TE and OLmen available was a kick in the gut to me and I'm still fuming. Especially watching the TE succeed during the season while we were looking like middle schoolers running into an 8 man box all yr

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2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

Brigde QB till Trevor Lawrence

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The fact that he can actually throw a spiral?

Let me clarify, what I mean is cost vs reward with Foles.  Yes he is an upgrade but is it worth the cost as we upgrade the line, WR and RE?

The cost of Haskins is the #7 pick in the draft, plus other high draft picks if we have to trade up to get him.  That's a huge cost.   We keep all those picks if we sign Foles.

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To get Trevor Lawrence, we have to have the #1 pick in the draft in 2020.   That means we have to tear this team down worse than we did 5 years ago and completely suck.    

Face it, no sane rational person wants the first pick in the draft, because to get it, you have to have the worst team in the league.

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Let me clarify, what I mean is cost vs reward with Foles.  Yes he is an upgrade but is it worth the cost as we upgrade the line, WR and RE?

The cost of Haskins is the #7 pick in the draft, plus other high draft picks if we have to trade up to get him.  That's a huge cost.   We keep all those picks if we sign Foles.

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To get Trevor Lawrence, we have to have the #1 pick in the draft in 2020.   That means we have to tear this team down worse than we did 5 years ago and completely suck.    

Face it, no sane rational person wants the first pick in the draft, because to get it, you have to have the worst team in the league.

Until the league fines the team and takes away multiple draft picks due to tampering...

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Let me clarify, what I mean is cost vs reward with Foles.  Yes he is an upgrade but is it worth the cost as we upgrade the line, WR and RE?

That is the rub though. Is foles an upgrade if we do not have enough money to upgrade the other positions? and if we do not upgrade the other positions by FA and draft rookiees, will they truely be good enough upgrades to make foles an upgrade?

Exactly!

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Why on earth was this moved?

Please stop spamming the board with this off-topic narrative. 

This is your second friendly warning. Further warnings will be official and may affect your posting privileges.

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I don't get it.  So there's no risk in Foles?

There's a lot less risk, because he's played NFL football at a very high level and been a Super Bowl MVP.  So you know for sure he's capable of doing great things.   Granted, you don't really know how it will turn out with the Jaguars.   But he's a lot less of a risk than a draft pick.

This^. I still think Haskins is legit. But he's still much more of a risk than Foles.

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Let me clarify, what I mean is cost vs reward with Foles.  Yes he is an upgrade but is it worth the cost as we upgrade the line, WR and RE?

That is the rub though. Is foles an upgrade if we do not have enough money to upgrade the other positions? and if we do not upgrade the other positions by FA and draft rookiees, will they truely be good enough upgrades to make foles an upgrade?

What FA's are you referencing at OL, WR and TE? I wasn't aware of any being out there? Minus James, but I don't think he'll be overly expensive.

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Let's Get Em!!!! Go Jags!

Why on earth was this moved?

The moderators of this board are doing a fine job and doing what is asked of them.  Since you can't seem to get it through your thick skull I'll try to lay it out for you in simple terms.  Topics in the Home Team forum are about TEAM NEWS.  As it relates to this thread, should the team OFFICIALLY sign Nick Foles to a contract, then talk about him will go to the Home Team sub-forum.  For now this topic will reside here.  Don't like it?  You have the option to not grace us with your presence.

ON TOPIC:  I believe that this option is probably the best thing that the team can do at the moment.  I know that many posters think that an unproven rookie is the second coming of Joe Montana or Brette Farve, but it just ain't happening.  I would rather have some veteran QB under center over a rookie.  While Nick Foles isn't my first choice, it still makes sense.

I predict that the signing will probably happen and a lot of people are going to be unhappy with the Jaguars' first choice in the draft.  I just don't see a "franchise" QB in this draft class.  I expect that the team will probably draft a QB but will also sign a veteran backup.  My first choice for a "veteran backup" would be someone like Joe Flacco.

Anyone thinking that a rookie QB out of this draft class is going to be "the answer" or a "franchise QB" is out of their mind.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Why on earth was this moved?

The moderators of this board are doing a fine job and doing what is asked of them.  Since you can't seem to get it through your thick skull I'll try to lay it out for you in simple terms.  Topics in the Home Team forum are about TEAM NEWS.  As it relates to this thread, should the team OFFICIALLY sign Nick Foles to a contract, then talk about him will go to the Home Team sub-forum.  For now this topic will reside here.  Don't like it?  You have the option to not grace us with your presence.

ON TOPIC:  I believe that this option is probably the best thing that the team can do at the moment.  I know that many posters think that an unproven rookie is the second coming of Joe Montana or Brette Farve, but it just ain't happening.  I would rather have some veteran QB under center over a rookie.  While Nick Foles isn't my first choice, it still makes sense.

I predict that the signing will probably happen and a lot of people are going to be unhappy with the Jaguars' first choice in the draft.  I just don't see a "franchise" QB in this draft class.  I expect that the team will probably draft a QB but will also sign a veteran backup.  My first choice for a "veteran backup" would be someone like Joe Flacco.

Anyone thinking that a rookie QB out of this draft class is going to be "the answer" or a "franchise QB" is out of their mind.

Do you keep up with NFL news? How do you expect to get Flacco?

Do you stay up to date with draft prospects? Why can’t Haskins be a franchise QB? He has every single trait you want in a franchise QB.

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The moderators of this board are doing a fine job and doing what is asked of them.  Since you can't seem to get it through your thick skull I'll try to lay it out for you in simple terms.  Topics in the Home Team forum are about TEAM NEWS.  As it relates to this thread, should the team OFFICIALLY sign Nick Foles to a contract, then talk about him will go to the Home Team sub-forum.  For now this topic will reside here.  Don't like it?  You have the option to not grace us with your presence.

ON TOPIC:  I believe that this option is probably the best thing that the team can do at the moment.  I know that many posters think that an unproven rookie is the second coming of Joe Montana or Brette Farve, but it just ain't happening.  I would rather have some veteran QB under center over a rookie.  While Nick Foles isn't my first choice, it still makes sense.

I predict that the signing will probably happen and a lot of people are going to be unhappy with the Jaguars' first choice in the draft.  I just don't see a "franchise" QB in this draft class.  I expect that the team will probably draft a QB but will also sign a veteran backup.  My first choice for a "veteran backup" would be someone like Joe Flacco.

Anyone thinking that a rookie QB out of this draft class is going to be "the answer" or a "franchise QB" is out of their mind.

Do you keep up with NFL news? How do you expect to get Flacco?

Do you stay up to date with draft prospects? Why can’t Haskins be a franchise QB? He has every single trait you want in a franchise QB.

I would prefer Haskins have more starting experience and from a more pro style offense, but those are not shortcomings that cannot be overcome with some good and patient coaching allowing him to sit for a year.

I think Haskins is a fine QB prospect and well worth the first round pick some team will use to draft him.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

The cost of Haskins is the #7 pick in the draft, plus other high draft picks if we have to trade up to get him.  That's a huge cost.   We keep all those picks if we sign Foles.

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To get Trevor Lawrence, we have to have the #1 pick in the draft in 2020.   That means we have to tear this team down worse than we did 5 years ago and completely suck.    

Face it, no sane rational person wants the first pick in the draft, because to get it, you have to have the worst team in the league.

Until the league fines the team and takes away multiple draft picks due to tampering...

The combine starts the unofficial “tampering “ period. Every single team does it.  The NFL knows every team does it.  The only thing that would take picks  away would be if the Eagles were still actively try to keep Foles and this news came out. Yes it’s tampering.  I doubt anything will come of it though.

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The cost of Haskins is the #7 pick in the draft, plus other high draft picks if we have to trade up to get him.  That's a huge cost.   We keep all those picks if we sign Foles.

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To get Trevor Lawrence, we have to have the #1 pick in the draft in 2020.   That means we have to tear this team down worse than we did 5 years ago and completely suck.    

Face it, no sane rational person wants the first pick in the draft, because to get it, you have to have the worst team in the league.

Until the league fines the team and takes away multiple draft picks due to tampering...

They should if jags sign him probably will.

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