https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...52129?s=21

That’s exactly how I interpreted Marrone’s comments post game.

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https://twitter.com/demetrius82/status/1...52129?s=21

That’s exactly how I interpreted Marrone’s comments post game.

Ditto. Play option was called based on defensive formation by my understanding.

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For those saying that we "took the ball out of Minshew's hands", he had options at the LOS.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

For those saying that we "took the ball out of Minshew's hands", he had options at the LOS.

 He was under order to hand off if the defense went with a particular coverage/alignment and he did as instructed.  DeFilippo and Marrone have both confirmed this now. 

One defensive look would have dictated he keep the ball himself, another would dictate he pass, another would dictate he roll out and pass, and finally the look the defense actually gave him dictated he hand off. 

I really feel the OC confirmed that at his presser today:

https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...52129?s=20

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My desire to fire Marrone has exactly zero to do with any part of the 2 point decision Sunday.

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Why did they line up 3 wide on the left and no WR on the right ? Minshew's strength is rolling to his right so the pass option would have placed him at a disadvantage from the start; especially considering our TE option is pretty much non-existent

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Why did they line up 3 wide on the left and no WR on the right ?  Minshew's strength is rolling to his right so the pass option would have placed him at a disadvantage from the start; especially considering our TE option is pretty much non-existent

Because two of the receivers ran routes across the endzone to the right.  Both were open. 
Had he rolled right he'd have the option of either of those receivers and the option to run it in himself.

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My desire to fire Marrone has exactly zero to do with any part of the 2 point decision Sunday.

Agreed.

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My desire to fire Marrone has exactly zero to do with any part of the 2 point decision Sunday.

Agreed.

In summing up today's press conference,, Hays Carylon remarked how there were so many defensive players there in support of Jalen Ramsey.  Not only does that belie the "Ramsey as cancer" narrative, but it indicates a substantial number of players may have lost respect for/faith in Marrone.

If this is true, Marrone must go.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Agreed.

In summing up today's press conference,, Hays Carylon remarked how there were so many defensive players there in support of Jalen Ramsey.  Not only does that belie the "Ramsey as cancer" narrative, but it indicates a substantial number of players may have lost respect for/faith in Marrone.

If this is true, Marrone must go.

I totally agree.  But that still puts you in a rock and a hard place.   Player [BLEEP], fire coach.  Not cool.  Let your best player go and fire coach later, not cool.  Is there a happy medium?   Idk.   What do you do when your best player wants to leave and the head coach and/or FO may be gone at years end?

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Agreed.

In summing up today's press conference,, Hays Carylon remarked how there were so many defensive players there in support of Jalen Ramsey.  Not only does that belie the "Ramsey as cancer" narrative, but it indicates a substantial number of players may have lost respect for/faith in Marrone.

If this is true, Marrone must go.

Rather than belying the narrative, it proves it.

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Fix the O-Line!

In summing up today's press conference,, Hays Carylon remarked how there were so many defensive players there in support of Jalen Ramsey.  Not only does that belie the "Ramsey as cancer" narrative, but it indicates a substantial number of players may have lost respect for/faith in Marrone.

If this is true, Marrone must go.

Rather than belying the narrative, it proves it.

Exactly, these people don't understand that he's fomenting the rebellion with this "me first" crap.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

They settled on run with 8 in the box. Brilliant.

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I have always really been for keeping Marrone. But I'm really losing patience with this FO fast. Yeah, it's unfortunate Foles went down - like REALLY unfortunate and that Fournette and most of the O line went down last year, etc etc.

But it kinda seems like we're not really planning for these things ever to happen. Like each time it's been written off as "just bad luck" by the FO and then we go on and lose more games. It's not bad luck anymore, it's the reality of the sport and other teams seem to handle major injuries wayyy better than we do.

Hey, Minshew might be special, he might be average, he might end up sucking but what I don't like is that our defense seems to be on the verge of giving up because our coaching staff can't figure out how to score freaking points in the NFL. They've had years to figure it out and wasted many of them with Bortles. Then it was all faith into Fournette and he got injured, then it was Foles and that lasted ten minutes...

It's also getting really old that we seem to never have a backup plan that works when we lose a star or key player. I think if we lose Ramsey that's just the final straw that it's time to move on from Marrone. He's had plenty of time now. Maybe A little worse than usual luck, but seriously it looks like we are never going to be prepared to get a major injury and still win games like good teams do.

It doesn't seem we can win with Marrone unless everything goes perfect. Which happened in 17, but hasn't since.


On a positive note - we did play the Texans who are a pretty dang good team right down to the wire with a real chance to win at the end of the game... So we can't forget that!

I do think this week is a must win though. We have to be able to beat teams like Tennessee or it's going to be another loooong, terrible season.

And for the record - I don't mean we fire Marrone mid season - but unless we win like 8 games or so I say he's gone end of year, it'll be time. And... he needs to do whatever it takes to keep Ramsey.

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For those saying that we "took the ball out of Minshew's hands", he had options at the LOS.

I still kind of wonder if that is a young kid looking to defer the glory onto a teammate rather than keeping the play on him. It may have been appropriate read based on coaching/decision making in a vacuum, but the way the kid was finding plays when needed, I really wish we could hit the rewind button and try the other play just to see if it would have resulted differently. I firmly believe that the pass play would have fared better.

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In summing up today's press conference,, Hays Carylon remarked how there were so many defensive players there in support of Jalen Ramsey.  Not only does that belie the "Ramsey as cancer" narrative, but it indicates a substantial number of players may have lost respect for/faith in Marrone.

If this is true, Marrone must go.

wouldn't that be more of a means to support the narrative? If a number of players in the locker room are rebelling against the coaching, that's precisely what locker room cancer looks like.

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In summing up today's press conference,, Hays Carylon remarked how there were so many defensive players there in support of Jalen Ramsey.  Not only does that belie the "Ramsey as cancer" narrative, but it indicates a substantial number of players may have lost respect for/faith in Marrone.

If this is true, Marrone must go.

wouldn't that be more of a means to support the narrative? If a number of players in the locker room are rebelling against the coaching, that's precisely what locker room cancer looks like.

Yes, but is the cancer in that room the respected player who has others lined up behind him, or the coach who's got players lining up behind the respected star at his expense?

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A player can be respected and loved by his peers and still be a bad influence. Fournette didn’t hesitate to say that the team still supported Marrone when asked. There’s no way to know where Marrone’s support level is but I can assure you everyone, Ramsey included, will fall in line as soon as we start winning.

Trade him or not, fire Marrone or not... but decide quickly and make everyone know what you intend to do because these distractions hurt the team.

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Ramseys actions have all but cemented Marrone here. At least for the short term. The team will never let the public see a player dictate coaching choices. If so you will never get another quality head coach again. No coach worth his salt would go to a team that has displayed the fact that the players make the damn choices. Period.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

Ramseys actions have all but cemented Marrone here. The team will never let the public see a player dictate coaching choices. If so you will never get another quality head coach again. No coach worth his salt would go to a team that has displayed the fact that the players make the damn choices. Period.

If they get beat tomorrow night, trade Ramsey and fire Moron.

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