Nfl.com analysists weighed in on Foles vs. Minshew. No surprises here, almost all of them think Minshew Mania is over: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...-their-qb1

I wouldn't mind seeing Minshew taking some time on the bench and continuing to develop behind Foles if I thought that, with Foles in, this team could make a wild card spot or win the division. Trouble is, I don't think they have the talent, the coach or the gumption to do either at this point. I don't think Jacksonville is better than Houston or Indianapolis. Even if they're in the race for things, i'm not convinced they won't end the season better than 7-9 at the VERY best. Of course, I could be quite wrong. I just don't see it. Foles was a superbowl MVP BECAUSE he has SO much talent to play with in Philly when they won that year; he doesn't have that kind of talent in Jacksonville at the moment. if i'm not mistaken, at the time Philly had one of the best Olines in the league too. He certainly doesn't have that here...yet.

Minshew's made the best of a bad situation. He wasn't great on Sunday, but if he'd thrown at least two TD's that day I doubt we'd be [BLEEP] about his progress (or lack thereof, depending on your view) nearly as much

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I still think it's too early to lose hope in this kid though. He'll have this Sunday and then a big opportunity in London followed by a week to rest and yet another divisional game to potentially put this team up 6 - 4. Maybe that knee and groin injury have hurt him more than we realize.

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I still think it's too early to lose hope in this kid though. He'll have this Sunday and then a big opportunity in London followed by a week to rest and yet another divisional game to potentially put this team up 6 - 4. Maybe that knee and groin injury have hurt him more than we realize.

It's taken velocity from his throws and he didn't have a ton of it to begin with.  The result is a hesitancy to fit it into some of the tight windows he went after early in the season. 

Teams playing more press coverage and knocking receivers off of routes is affecting him too.

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I still think it's too early to lose hope in this kid though. He'll have this Sunday and then a big opportunity in London followed by a week to rest and yet another divisional game to potentially put this team up 6 - 4. Maybe that knee and groin injury have hurt him more than we realize.

It's taken velocity from his throws and he didn't have a ton of it to begin with.  The result is a hesitancy to fit it into some of the tight windows he went after early in the season. 

Teams playing more press coverage and knocking receivers off of routes is affecting him too.

True. He's been using his legs a lot more over the last few weeks as a result of that as well. We'll see. At any rate they couldn't have had a better 6th RD pick. If Foles is ready and the team feels it's time to put Minshew on the bench it is what it is. It's a good problem to have.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Nfl.com analysists weighed in on Foles vs. Minshew. No surprises here, almost all of them think Minshew Mania is over: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...-their-qb1

I wouldn't mind seeing Minshew taking some time on the bench and continuing to develop behind Foles if I thought that, with Foles in, this team could make a wild card spot or win the division. Trouble is, I don't think they have the talent, the coach or the gumption to do either at this point. I don't think Jacksonville is better than Houston or Indianapolis. Even if they're in the race for things, i'm not convinced they won't end the season better than 7-9 at the VERY best. Of course, I could be quite wrong. I just don't see it. Foles was a superbowl MVP BECAUSE he has SO much talent to play with in Philly when they won that year; he doesn't have that kind of talent in Jacksonville at the moment. if i'm not mistaken, at the time Philly  had one of the best Olines in the league too. He certainly doesn't have that here...yet.

Minshew's made the best of a bad situation. He wasn't great on Sunday, but if he'd thrown at least two TD's that day I doubt we'd be [BLEEP] about his progress (or lack thereof, depending on your view) nearly as much

NFL analysts ain't worth much.

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Oh okay, so mean stockpile QB's until you know you have one. I think that makes some sense. It's just that in both of those situations, each of those QB's had full seasons or so to prove they were the guy. They got to go through preseason, get 1st team snaps, etc.

I'm just not sure how that would play out with the Jags, because they would likely have to move on from Minshew to get a second guy or try to have both split reps/game time. Both scenarios could blow up in their face.

If the season doesn't end well and the Jags end up going 5-11 or 6-10, I would like them make a move for Herbert/Tua/Burrow and try to trade Foles. Then let Minshew and the rookie battle it out in training camp.

That's how you draft Blaine Gabbert and pass up on a JJ Watt, or how you take Jamarcus Russell and pass on Calvin Johnson with your thought process and those teams didnt even have a QB like we do

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It's taken velocity from his throws and he didn't have a ton of it to begin with.  The result is a hesitancy to fit it into some of the tight windows he went after early in the season. 

Teams playing more press coverage and knocking receivers off of routes is affecting him too.

True. He's been using his legs a lot more over the last few weeks as a result of that as well. We'll see. At any rate they couldn't have had a better 6th RD pick. If Foles is ready and the team feels it's time to put Minshew on the bench it is what it is. It's a good problem to have.

For a 6th round pick, Minshew has been incredible. He's doing everything you want and then some.

I just want to find the QB who finally defines this franchise and I would be willing to draft as many as it takes to find him.

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True. He's been using his legs a lot more over the last few weeks as a result of that as well. We'll see. At any rate they couldn't have had a better 6th RD pick. If Foles is ready and the team feels it's time to put Minshew on the bench it is what it is. It's a good problem to have.

For a 6th round pick, Minshew has been incredible. He's doing everything you want and then some.

I just want to find the QB who finally defines this franchise and I would be willing to draft as many as it takes to find him.

Thing is, you have to let one play enough games to find that player. They may already have him in The Shew. Never hurts shooting for a QB ( Especially with late round picks) but eventually you just have to run with one and put some talent around him. Sans the occasional can't miss it's a giant crap shoot.

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True. He's been using his legs a lot more over the last few weeks as a result of that as well. We'll see. At any rate they couldn't have had a better 6th RD pick. If Foles is ready and the team feels it's time to put Minshew on the bench it is what it is. It's a good problem to have.

For a 6th round pick, Minshew has been incredible. He's doing everything you want and then some.

I just want to find the QB who finally defines this franchise and I would be willing to draft as many as it takes to find him.

On the surface this reach sounds plausible until you consider that these guys don't always emerge in the preseason of their rookie year as the undeniable savior of your franchise. 

It's completely possible that Minshew becomes the guy you are looking for but it takes till year three to round out his game. 

It's completely possible that Foles is capable of leading the 2020 Jags deep into the playoffs.

It's completely possible that you trade up in April for your favorite QB prospect only for him to struggle for two years before being a capable starter. 

MORE IMPORTANT than any of that is that you can't just flood a QB room with valuable prospects and expect to have enough time to properly evaluate them on equal footing in one offseason.  There aren't enough reps to go around.  

I am completely happy rolling into next summer's camp with Foles, Minshew and Dobbs ready to compete. And I'd be fine trading one of them NEXT October if value is presented and the other two are healthy. 

There is such a thing as bad timing in draft cycles and looking to draft a QB in 2020 is exactly that IMO.

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Nick Foles is gonna be a bust here just like he was in LA and Kansas City. I’ll take Minshew

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For a 6th round pick, Minshew has been incredible. He's doing everything you want and then some.

I just want to find the QB who finally defines this franchise and I would be willing to draft as many as it takes to find him.

On the surface this reach sounds plausible until you consider that these guys don't always emerge in the preseason of their rookie year as the undeniable savior of your franchise. 

It's completely possible that Minshew becomes the guy you are looking for but it takes till year three to round out his game. 

It's completely possible that Foles is capable of leading the 2020 Jags deep into the playoffs.

It's completely possible that you trade up in April for your favorite QB prospect only for him to struggle for two years before being a capable starter. 

MORE IMPORTANT than any of that is that you can't just flood a QB room with valuable prospects and expect to have enough time to properly evaluate them on equal footing in one offseason.  There aren't enough reps to go around.  

I am completely happy rolling into next summer's camp with Foles, Minshew and Dobbs ready to compete. And I'd be fine trading one of them NEXT October if value is presented and the other two are healthy. 

There is such a thing as bad timing in draft cycles and looking to draft a QB in 2020 is exactly that IMO.

That's all completely possible and reasonable.

It's also possible that the Jags draft inside the top 10,  then pass on Burrow/Tua/Herbert because they feel they have hit on a QB only to see one of those 3 become elite.

The draft is a crapshoot (we all know this after years of bad drafting) so I'm just trying to give my team more opportunities at QB gold. I'm not saying I want to have a room with 8 QB prospects. That's absurd. What I don't want to do is pass on a great/good QB prospect and reach for a position of need (aka Fournette/Williams/Bryan).

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This front office took a hard pass on drafting a first round QB in 2020 the moment they signed Foles. Unless the team goes into the tank the rest of the season and the FO is replaced, it's not happening.

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On the surface this reach sounds plausible until you consider that these guys don't always emerge in the preseason of their rookie year as the undeniable savior of your franchise. 

It's completely possible that Minshew becomes the guy you are looking for but it takes till year three to round out his game. 

It's completely possible that Foles is capable of leading the 2020 Jags deep into the playoffs.

It's completely possible that you trade up in April for your favorite QB prospect only for him to struggle for two years before being a capable starter. 

MORE IMPORTANT than any of that is that you can't just flood a QB room with valuable prospects and expect to have enough time to properly evaluate them on equal footing in one offseason.  There aren't enough reps to go around.  

I am completely happy rolling into next summer's camp with Foles, Minshew and Dobbs ready to compete. And I'd be fine trading one of them NEXT October if value is presented and the other two are healthy. 

There is such a thing as bad timing in draft cycles and looking to draft a QB in 2020 is exactly that IMO.

That's all completely possible and reasonable.

It's also possible that the Jags draft inside the top 10,  then pass on Burrow/Tua/Herbert because they feel they have hit on a QB only to see one of those 3 become elite.

The draft is a crapshoot (we all know this after years of bad drafting) so I'm just trying to give my team more opportunities at QB gold. I'm not saying I want to have a room with 8 QB prospects. That's absurd. What I don't want to do is pass on a great/good QB prospect and reach for a position of need (aka Fournette/Williams/Bryan).

What I don't want to do is skip evaluating currently held talent in order to force a 1st round pick into the equation. 

I know lots of folks have the opinion "we know what Foles is" and "Dobbs is a nobody." 

Well, I don't feel that way. I want to see Foles run the offense that Flip designed for him to run.
I want to find out if so many squealers fans are right to be ticked off about losing Dobbs. I want Minshew to have the luxury of learning without the "into the fire" situation. 

I won't be upset if the Jags draft a Herbert or Tua type prospect at all, but I don't agree with taking QBs out of some fear of missing out on a good one. 
You have to evaluate your roster and make picks accordingly.  
Sometimes you have to let good prospects go to the teams that need them more than you do that year for the betterment of your own franchise. 

I'm not saying the Jags did the right thing at all sticking by Bortles and missing on QBs in the '17 and '18 drafts. I was against it. I just don't think we are in the same situation right now.

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That's all completely possible and reasonable.

It's also possible that the Jags draft inside the top 10,  then pass on Burrow/Tua/Herbert because they feel they have hit on a QB only to see one of those 3 become elite.

The draft is a crapshoot (we all know this after years of bad drafting) so I'm just trying to give my team more opportunities at QB gold. I'm not saying I want to have a room with 8 QB prospects. That's absurd. What I don't want to do is pass on a great/good QB prospect and reach for a position of need (aka Fournette/Williams/Bryan).

What I don't want to do is skip evaluating currently held talent in order to force a 1st round pick into the equation. 

I know lots of folks have the opinion "we know what Foles is" and "Dobbs is a nobody." 

Well, I don't feel that way. I want to see Foles run the offense that Flip designed for him to run.
I want to find out if so many squealers fans are right to be ticked off about losing Dobbs. I want Minshew to have the luxury of learning without the "into the fire" situation. 

I won't be upset if the Jags draft a Herbert or Tua type prospect at all, but I don't agree with taking QBs out of some fear of missing out on a good one. 
You have to evaluate your roster and make picks accordingly.  
Sometimes you have to let good prospects go to the teams that need them more than you do that year for the betterment of your own franchise. 

I'm not saying the Jags did the right thing at all sticking by Bortles and missing on QBs in the '17 and '18 drafts. I was against it. I just don't think we are in the same situation right now.

All valid points. Especially in bold. No need to jump the gun. Just because you have four first round picks over the next two years doesn't mean you have to cash them all in or feel the need to swing big. Especially at the QB position. We haven't seen Foles yet. We know we have a promising prospect in Minshew already. And Dobbs may or may not be a good insurance player for the time being. 

The funny thing is that we're all clamoring for a QB yet over the last two years (perhaps longer, with the exception of maybe 2017 and credit to Bortles toughness) we've always been pissing and moaning about inconsistency along the offensive line, injuries being an issue there as well. What's the point of drafting that promising QB if you don't have the guys up front to protect him? 

Let's draft the next Andrew Luck or DeShaun Watson? Only to have them get butchered every year? Doesn't make sense. Would rather roll with Foles and Minshew this year and next year. Look to 2021 as a potential QB change if these guys fail between this year and next year. Would rather see an emphasis on bolstering that offensive line and improving the tight end position first. 

This team could be 5 - 4 going into the bye week. That's not a bad position to be in with all things considered this year.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

That's all completely possible and reasonable.

It's also possible that the Jags draft inside the top 10,  then pass on Burrow/Tua/Herbert because they feel they have hit on a QB only to see one of those 3 become elite.

The draft is a crapshoot (we all know this after years of bad drafting) so I'm just trying to give my team more opportunities at QB gold. I'm not saying I want to have a room with 8 QB prospects. That's absurd. What I don't want to do is pass on a great/good QB prospect and reach for a position of need (aka Fournette/Williams/Bryan).

What I don't want to do is skip evaluating currently held talent in order to force a 1st round pick into the equation. 

I know lots of folks have the opinion "we know what Foles is" and "Dobbs is a nobody." 

Well, I don't feel that way. I want to see Foles run the offense that Flip designed for him to run.
I want to find out if so many squealers fans are right to be ticked off about losing Dobbs. I want Minshew to have the luxury of learning without the "into the fire" situation. 

I won't be upset if the Jags draft a Herbert or Tua type prospect at all, but I don't agree with taking QBs out of some fear of missing out on a good one. 
You have to evaluate your roster and make picks accordingly.  
Sometimes you have to let good prospects go to the teams that need them more than you do that year for the betterment of your own franchise. 

I'm not saying the Jags did the right thing at all sticking by Bortles and missing on QBs in the '17 and '18 drafts. I was against it. I just don't think we are in the same situation right now.

I completely agree with you.

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Nick Foles is gonna be a bust here just like he was in LA and Kansas City. I’ll take Minshew

UGH.
All of a sudden I doubt Minshew could ever be anything and Foles HAS to be the answer.

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On the surface this reach sounds plausible until you consider that these guys don't always emerge in the preseason of their rookie year as the undeniable savior of your franchise. 

It's completely possible that Minshew becomes the guy you are looking for but it takes till year three to round out his game. 

It's completely possible that Foles is capable of leading the 2020 Jags deep into the playoffs.

It's completely possible that you trade up in April for your favorite QB prospect only for him to struggle for two years before being a capable starter. 

MORE IMPORTANT than any of that is that you can't just flood a QB room with valuable prospects and expect to have enough time to properly evaluate them on equal footing in one offseason.  There aren't enough reps to go around.  

I am completely happy rolling into next summer's camp with Foles, Minshew and Dobbs ready to compete. And I'd be fine trading one of them NEXT October if value is presented and the other two are healthy. 

There is such a thing as bad timing in draft cycles and looking to draft a QB in 2020 is exactly that IMO.

That's all completely possible and reasonable.

It's also possible that the Jags draft inside the top 10,  then pass on Burrow/Tua/Herbert because they feel they have hit on a QB only to see one of those 3 become elite.

The draft is a crapshoot (we all know this after years of bad drafting) so I'm just trying to give my team more opportunities at QB gold. I'm not saying I want to have a room with 8 QB prospects. That's absurd. What I don't want to do is pass on a great/good QB prospect and reach for a position of need (aka Fournette/Williams/Bryan).

Tua's ankles are made of paper mache. Better have a really good OL in front of him.
Joe Burrow is a one year wonder, so we'll see.

Herbert, no. I've actually watched a lot of Oregon ball this year. His play makers are making him, imo.

All that being said, the draft and getting QBs is a bit of a crap shoot and your coaching staff and roster around him matter as much as his talent and skills in college.
I think with what Minshew has shown he's the kind of guy you can develop. A very mature NFL rookie with a contract that allows you to spend elsewhere and really build around him.


I'm done falling in love with college QBs because I've seen more often than not they don't live up to the billing without a perfect storm.
Mariota, Winston, Baker isn't looking great currently, Mitch Trubiscuit, Teddy (although dertailed by horrible injury likely, he's pretty good now, in year like 6, with NOLA and a great HC), the list goes on and on, and there are 3-4 failures for every Watson or Mahomes
And to be real... most people don't know they have a Watson or Mahomes until they take the league by storm and/or surprise
Usually with a solid or really good roster around them as both of those guys do and a pretty good coaching staff as Mahomes certainly does

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Are they forgetting the reason why Foles has changed teams 4 times in his career?

So the rookie isn't allowed a couple of average games and needs to be replaced by the vet who has never proven to be the guy for any team.

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If the season doesn't end well and the Jags end up going 5-11 or 6-10, I would like them make a move for Herbert/Tua/Burrow and try to trade Foles. Then let Minshew and the rookie battle it out in training camp.

That's how you draft Blaine Gabbert and pass up on a JJ Watt, or how you take Jamarcus Russell and pass on Calvin Johnson with your thought process and those teams didnt even have a QB like we do

No. That’s not my thought process at all.

I don’t want to pass on QB prospects in order to draft a position of need. If the QB is rated highest on the board, I want the Jags to take them.

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That's how you draft Blaine Gabbert and pass up on a JJ Watt, or how you take Jamarcus Russell and pass on Calvin Johnson with your thought process and those teams didnt even have a QB like we do

No. That’s not my thought process at all.

I don’t want to pass on QB prospects in order to draft a position of need. If the QB is rated highest on the board, I want the Jags to take them.

Do you really trust this front office though to take the right QB with that high of a pick? I don't. 

Leftwich. Bust. 
Gabbert. Bust.
Bortles. Bust. 

I almost feel like this team has been better off digging through the weeds for a QB. They traded for Brunell. They landed Garrard in RD4 or RD5 I think? And now this kid in RD6. It's a crap shoot like you said earlier in this thread. It's just too damn early to predict the course they'll take in 2020. But I agree. If they fall 5 - 11 / 6 - 10 and neither Minshew nor Foles show any much more than just being a "guy" or worse than that?

It'll be a scary draft for us next year. Probably similar to the Giants back in April. Which is hit or miss at the moment for me. Just sucks really. All in all. Just hope this kid can keep it going so they can invest around him instead of trying to replace him. Would be awesome.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."