Sho what you're saying is you didn't watch much Jags football the last two months.

I think what he is saying is that 2020 has such a deep QB class, someone is most likely getting a Mahomes QB out of it. 

If you have been a jags fan long enough, you can’t but wonder what bad luck awaits this org with these two QBs. One is going to age out, and the other is a question mark after the last game. 

I was fully on the Minshew train, and may still be on it. What gives me pause is the easy schedule he faced and his lack of adjustment to the Texans. You expect to see some form of progress as a rookie goes forward. Yes, he amazed me with his skill set early on.. but what gets stuck in my head is the presser in London where he said he’s now had experience with multiple looks from defenses and is heading into the Texans game more prepared. Despite maybe some play calling from the OC, I saw a worse version of Minshew than I did in the Saints game with a Texan secondary he should have ate for breakfast. 

I really want Minshew to work out... just concerned with a 2020 an draft class we may not see again for another 4-5 years.

Minshew was also playing hurt the majority of his starts. From the groin and knee issues early to an injured throwing shoulder in London.

I still believe in his future, his future just isn't right now. And that's OK
And there's no way of knowing what any of the 2020 QBs become until they become it. Tua could be hurt always (paper mache ankles). Burrow could look great in college and be drafted by a bad team with no weapons and no OL and look like trash for 4 years.


For all we know the 2021 class could be just as good. Hell... some of the 2020 guys COULD go back to school still.

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We are stuck basically.  Thats why i'm frustrated.  He better play well because i'm sick of these excuses to not go after a good QB in the draft.  It's always an excuse or we shoot ourselves in the foot.  Taking Blake becausejaguars, picking Gabbert becauseGMissues,  It's always something.  Foles better play good and/or GM better come back more alive and on fire than ever.  If not, i'm still a fan but have zero faith in anything another Jags fan says period.

Sho what you're saying is you didn't watch much Jags football the last two months.

What are you talking about?  The past few months i have seen GM take over and perform alot better than expected after the Foles injury.  Now i will see him on the bench, with the hope that he comes back just as good or better.  Hopefully that happens but hopefully isnt a guarantee.  I will keep the faith and i even hope Foles comes in and lights it up like the starter he was signed to be.  Like i said though, If that doesn't happen then we are back at square one, worse than where we were the past few months.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

Sho what you're saying is you didn't watch much Jags football the last two months.

What are you talking about?  The past few months i have seen GM take over and perform alot better than expected after the Foles injury.  Now i will see him on the bench, with the hope that he comes back just as good or better.  Hopefully that happens but hopefully isnt a guarantee.  I will keep the faith and i even hope Foles comes in and lights it up like the starter he was signed to be.  Like i said though, If that doesn't happen then we are back at square one, worse than where we were the past few months.

You are painting a worst case scenario where neither of them is any good.  You have every right to do that, but in my opinion, it's unduly pessimistic.  I think they are both pretty good.  Not Aaron Rodgers good, but middle of the pack good.  Which is a huge improvement over last year.

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Sho what you're saying is you didn't watch much Jags football the last two months.

I think what he is saying is that 2020 has such a deep QB class, someone is most likely getting a Mahomes QB out of it. 

If you have been a jags fan long enough, you can’t but wonder what bad luck awaits this org with these two QBs. One is going to age out, and the other is a question mark after the last game. 

I was fully on the Minshew train, and may still be on it. What gives me pause is the easy schedule he faced and his lack of adjustment to the Texans. You expect to see some form of progress as a rookie goes forward. Yes, he amazed me with his skill set early on.. but what gets stuck in my head is the presser in London where he said he’s now had experience with multiple looks from defenses and is heading into the Texans game more prepared. Despite maybe some play calling from the OC, I saw a worse version of Minshew than I did in the Saints game with a Texan secondary he should have ate for breakfast. 

I really want Minshew to work out... just concerned with a 2020 an draft class we may not see again for another 4-5 years.

You get it.  Nuff said.

We are stuck basically.  Thats why i'm frustrated.  He better play well because i'm sick of these excuses to not go after a good QB in the draft.  It's always an excuse or we shoot ourselves in the foot.  Taking Blake becausejaguars, picking Gabbert becauseGMissues,  It's always something.  Foles better play good and/or GM better come back more alive and on fire than ever.  If not, i'm still a fan but have zero faith in anything another Jags fan says period.

Stuck with Foles? Yeah probably. That's what happens when you go into free agency and pay big money.
The good thing about college football though is every year there's some kid who improves or impresses. Burrow was an after thought last season, now he is possibly the #1 QB taken.

For 2020 though, yeah, get ready for more Foles OR possibly Minshew.
The caveat here is, if Khan cleans house, all bets are off. New FO can go totally different route. Maybe they draft a QB with one of two first rounders and he sits behind Foles until it is time for him to take over. Maybe they move Foles and a 3rd to a team for a 5th to unload the contract, Osweiler style.

Don't freak out yet. We still have at least 7 games of THIS season to go.

 I am keeping the faith and you are right about 7 games to go.  We still have to see what Foles can do and we still have GM learning from the sideline.  Both or one of those may still work out so hope is in the air.  As far as the QB class goes, you are also correct.  My pause is because we are primed with 2 first for the next two years but that doesnt mean we will still get a top QB if none of those work out in 2021.  THIS is suppose to be a deep class and yet we are willing to pass on it for a hope and a dream from a journeyman and a 6th round rookie that showed progress.  Give me a 1st rd QB and let him sit.  See if he beats out Minshew in camp and/or just sign 3 QBs to the 53 next year.  I want to see that before i bet any money on Nick and GM as the only 2 viable options for the future.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

I think what he is saying is that 2020 has such a deep QB class, someone is most likely getting a Mahomes QB out of it. 

If you have been a jags fan long enough, you can’t but wonder what bad luck awaits this org with these two QBs. One is going to age out, and the other is a question mark after the last game. 

I was fully on the Minshew train, and may still be on it. What gives me pause is the easy schedule he faced and his lack of adjustment to the Texans. You expect to see some form of progress as a rookie goes forward. Yes, he amazed me with his skill set early on.. but what gets stuck in my head is the presser in London where he said he’s now had experience with multiple looks from defenses and is heading into the Texans game more prepared. Despite maybe some play calling from the OC, I saw a worse version of Minshew than I did in the Saints game with a Texan secondary he should have ate for breakfast. 

I really want Minshew to work out... just concerned with a 2020 an draft class we may not see again for another 4-5 years.

You get it.  Nuff said.

Stuck with Foles? Yeah probably. That's what happens when you go into free agency and pay big money.
The good thing about college football though is every year there's some kid who improves or impresses. Burrow was an after thought last season, now he is possibly the #1 QB taken.

For 2020 though, yeah, get ready for more Foles OR possibly Minshew.
The caveat here is, if Khan cleans house, all bets are off. New FO can go totally different route. Maybe they draft a QB with one of two first rounders and he sits behind Foles until it is time for him to take over. Maybe they move Foles and a 3rd to a team for a 5th to unload the contract, Osweiler style.

Don't freak out yet. We still have at least 7 games of THIS season to go.

 I am keeping the faith and you are right about 7 games to go.  We still have to see what Foles can do and we still have GM learning from the sideline.  Both or one of those may still work out so hope is in the air.  As far as the QB class goes, you are also correct.  My pause is because we are primed with 2 first for the next two years but that doesnt mean we will still get a top QB if none of those work out in 2021.  THIS is suppose to be a deep class and yet we are willing to pass on it for a hope and a dream from a journeyman and a 6th round rookie that showed progress.  Give me a 1st rd QB and let him sit.  See if he beats out Minshew in camp and/or just sign 3 QBs to the 53 next year.  I want to see that before i bet any money on Nick and GM as the only 2 viable options for the future.

Minshew is already demonstrably better than any first round QB this year, so why throw him away for a first round QB next year?  That makes no sense.  First round QBs are rarely better than what we've already seen in Minshew.  We have a hot prospect.  We should develop that guy, not waste a first round pick on another guy.

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You get it.  Nuff said.

 I am keeping the faith and you are right about 7 games to go.  We still have to see what Foles can do and we still have GM learning from the sideline.  Both or one of those may still work out so hope is in the air.  As far as the QB class goes, you are also correct.  My pause is because we are primed with 2 first for the next two years but that doesnt mean we will still get a top QB if none of those work out in 2021.  THIS is suppose to be a deep class and yet we are willing to pass on it for a hope and a dream from a journeyman and a 6th round rookie that showed progress.  Give me a 1st rd QB and let him sit.  See if he beats out Minshew in camp and/or just sign 3 QBs to the 53 next year.  I want to see that before i bet any money on Nick and GM as the only 2 viable options for the future.

Minshew is already demonstrably better than any first round QB this year, so why throw him away for a first round QB next year?  That makes no sense.  First round QBs are rarely better than what we've already seen in Minshew.  We have a hot prospect.  We should develop that guy, not waste a first round pick on another guy.

So you wouldn't trade Minshew for Murray?

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You get it.  Nuff said.

 I am keeping the faith and you are right about 7 games to go.  We still have to see what Foles can do and we still have GM learning from the sideline.  Both or one of those may still work out so hope is in the air.  As far as the QB class goes, you are also correct.  My pause is because we are primed with 2 first for the next two years but that doesnt mean we will still get a top QB if none of those work out in 2021.  THIS is suppose to be a deep class and yet we are willing to pass on it for a hope and a dream from a journeyman and a 6th round rookie that showed progress.  Give me a 1st rd QB and let him sit.  See if he beats out Minshew in camp and/or just sign 3 QBs to the 53 next year.  I want to see that before i bet any money on Nick and GM as the only 2 viable options for the future.

Minshew is already demonstrably better than any first round QB this year, so why throw him away for a first round QB next year?  That makes no sense.  First round QBs are rarely better than what we've already seen in Minshew.  We have a hot prospect.  We should develop that guy, not waste a first round pick on another guy.

Devils advocate here, but is a good QB ever a waste in this league? I would love to see a first round QB come in and compete with Minshew. I don’t count on Foles being on this team in 2021. I just don’t see it happening but would love to be proven wrong. I would love to be proven wrong on everything.. 

In the above scenario, you have a great franchise QB and a promising Minshew or drafted 1st rounder QB that could serve as a great back up after Foles is gone, or be traded for a bunch of picks. 

We NEED a franchise QB! It’s been way way too long and overdue. We have the picks to make it happen. We have talent all over the team that is young and viable. Our other needs can be addressed outside of the first round.

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Minshew is already demonstrably better than any first round QB this year, so why throw him away for a first round QB next year?  That makes no sense.  First round QBs are rarely better than what we've already seen in Minshew.  We have a hot prospect.  We should develop that guy, not waste a first round pick on another guy.

So you wouldn't trade Minshew for Murray?

No.  Not only because of Minshew, but also because I have some doubts about Murray.

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Minshew is already demonstrably better than any first round QB this year, so why throw him away for a first round QB next year?  That makes no sense.  First round QBs are rarely better than what we've already seen in Minshew.  We have a hot prospect.  We should develop that guy, not waste a first round pick on another guy.

Devils advocate here, but is a good QB ever a waste in this league? I would love to see a first round QB come in and compete with Minshew. I don’t count on Foles being on this team in 2021. I just don’t see it happening but would love to be proven wrong. I would love to be proven wrong on everything.. 

In the above scenario, you have a great franchise QB and a promising Minshew or drafted 1st rounder QB that could serve as a great back up after Foles is gone, or be traded for a bunch of picks. 

We NEED a franchise QB! It’s been way way too long and overdue. We have the picks to make it happen. We have talent all over the team that is young and viable. Our other needs can be addressed outside of the first round.

We actually could already have our franchise QB. It just stands to reason that he needs a little time to develop and perhaps we should continue building the team around the guy while we ride out this hefty contract we probably shouldn't have given Foles.

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Minshew is already demonstrably better than any first round QB this year, so why throw him away for a first round QB next year?  That makes no sense.  First round QBs are rarely better than what we've already seen in Minshew.  We have a hot prospect.  We should develop that guy, not waste a first round pick on another guy.

So you wouldn't trade Minshew for Murray?

Nah. But your point is good that Minshew hasn't outperformed every first round QB from this year. Murray is having a good season. he should, he was #1 overall.

But I keep Minshew and develop the guy.

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Minshew is already demonstrably better than any first round QB this year, so why throw him away for a first round QB next year?  That makes no sense.  First round QBs are rarely better than what we've already seen in Minshew.  We have a hot prospect.  We should develop that guy, not waste a first round pick on another guy.

Devils advocate here, but is a good QB ever a waste in this league? I would love to see a first round QB come in and compete with Minshew. I don’t count on Foles being on this team in 2021. I just don’t see it happening but would love to be proven wrong. I would love to be proven wrong on everything.. 

In the above scenario, you have a great franchise QB and a promising Minshew or drafted 1st rounder QB that could serve as a great back up after Foles is gone, or be traded for a bunch of picks. 

We NEED a franchise QB! It’s been way way too long and overdue. We have the picks to make it happen. We have talent all over the team that is young and viable. Our other needs can be addressed outside of the first round.

Say it louder for the people in the back.  Its simple, but it seems like some are stuck on this throw away GM mantra.  Foles will be gone people.  We are better than last year but that is not a viable plan for the next 10 to 15 years.  I understand alot were hurt by our ex, but that doesnt mean just run to the next hot chick and hope it works out.  Breathe, plan ahead for the future, and stop trying to grasp at straws.  NOTHING is wrong with drafting a 1st round QB and letting him sit behind Foles and/or GM with a 3 QB depth chart to see what we have when Foles is gone.  We have a whole 3 more first rounds to play with for the next 2 years, plus other picks in the draft.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

Devils advocate here, but is a good QB ever a waste in this league? I would love to see a first round QB come in and compete with Minshew. I don’t count on Foles being on this team in 2021. I just don’t see it happening but would love to be proven wrong. I would love to be proven wrong on everything.. 

In the above scenario, you have a great franchise QB and a promising Minshew or drafted 1st rounder QB that could serve as a great back up after Foles is gone, or be traded for a bunch of picks. 

We NEED a franchise QB! It’s been way way too long and overdue. We have the picks to make it happen. We have talent all over the team that is young and viable. Our other needs can be addressed outside of the first round.

Say it louder for the people in the back.  Its simple, but it seems like some are stuck on this throw away GM mantra.  Foles will be gone people.  We are better than last year but that is not a viable plan for the next 10 to 15 years.  I understand alot were hurt by our ex, but that doesnt mean just run to the next hot chick and hope it works out.  Breathe, plan ahead for the future, and stop trying to grasp at straws.  NOTHING is wrong with drafting a 1st round QB and letting him sit behind Foles and/or GM with a 3 QB depth chart to see what we have when Foles is gone.  We have a whole 3 more first rounds to play with for the next 2 years plus other picks in the draft.

If you draft a QB in round one... you really don't want that guy sitting imo. Those are the guys that should be ready to come in right away and make an impact.
Otherwise you end up with Rosen or Darnold.
Duds.

Use the draft picks to shore up the OL, add weapons and play makers.
Then if Foles sucks or Minshew doesn't develop address QB in round 1 in 2021, when the OL is better and the D is retooled.

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So you wouldn't trade Minshew for Murray?

No.  Not only because of Minshew, but also because I have some doubts about Murray.

Is there one thing Minshew does better than Murray? Serious question.

I love Minshew but Murray is more accurate, turns the ball over less, has better wheels and can make every single throw. Not to mention he has played this year without Kirk, DJ and other players for most of the year. Minshew has had Chark and Fournette for every single game.

Again, I love Minshew but he's not really close to Murray for me.

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No.  Not only because of Minshew, but also because I have some doubts about Murray.

Is there one thing Minshew does better than Murray? Serious question.

I love Minshew but Murray is more accurate, turns the ball over less, has better wheels and can make every single throw. Not to mention he has played this year without Kirk, DJ and other players for most of the year. Minshew has had Chark and Fournette for every single game.

Again, I love Minshew but he's not really close to Murray for me.

I assume his doubts are about is size and ability to stay healthy. 
But the things you point to are the reason why Murray was selected #1 overall and Minshew was a 6th rounder.

But can Murray maintain a longevity in the NFL with his size, frame? That remains to be seen.
It has yet to be an issue, but I haven't followed AZ that close to know how many hits he has taken or how much he has to escape pressure etc.

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Say it louder for the people in the back.  Its simple, but it seems like some are stuck on this throw away GM mantra.  Foles will be gone people.  We are better than last year but that is not a viable plan for the next 10 to 15 years.  I understand alot were hurt by our ex, but that doesnt mean just run to the next hot chick and hope it works out.  Breathe, plan ahead for the future, and stop trying to grasp at straws.  NOTHING is wrong with drafting a 1st round QB and letting him sit behind Foles and/or GM with a 3 QB depth chart to see what we have when Foles is gone.  We have a whole 3 more first rounds to play with for the next 2 years plus other picks in the draft.

If you draft a QB in round one... you really don't want that guy sitting imo. Those are the guys that should be ready to come in right away and make an impact.
Otherwise you end up with Rosen or Darnold.
Duds.

Use the draft picks to shore up the OL, add weapons and play makers.
Then if Foles sucks or Minshew doesn't develop address QB in round 1 in 2021, when the OL is better and the D is retooled.

I hear you.  My only pause with waiting is the amount of options.  We have known this will be the year of a good/great QB class for mutliple years.  I have not heard a peep about 2021 except the lawrence hype last year thats faded away.  We have a plethora of options this coming draft and i just dont have faith that continuing to wait to try and fight for maybe one or two QBs next year is a replacement strategy.  Get one now when you can, while still keeping another first for another position to fill.  Would you prefer your odds of hitting with 4 to 5 pitches thrown, or would you prefer one maybe two.  If we wait, thats giving ultimate faith to our FO to make the right choice and we would have to probably trade away alot more with less QBs available to move up if needed.  Its borderline lose/lose if we wait.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

Say it louder for the people in the back.  Its simple, but it seems like some are stuck on this throw away GM mantra.  Foles will be gone people.  We are better than last year but that is not a viable plan for the next 10 to 15 years.  I understand alot were hurt by our ex, but that doesnt mean just run to the next hot chick and hope it works out.  Breathe, plan ahead for the future, and stop trying to grasp at straws.  NOTHING is wrong with drafting a 1st round QB and letting him sit behind Foles and/or GM with a 3 QB depth chart to see what we have when Foles is gone.  We have a whole 3 more first rounds to play with for the next 2 years plus other picks in the draft.

If you draft a QB in round one... you really don't want that guy sitting imo. Those are the guys that should be ready to come in right away and make an impact.
Otherwise you end up with Rosen or Darnold.
Duds.

Use the draft picks to shore up the OL, add weapons and play makers.
Then if Foles sucks or Minshew doesn't develop address QB in round 1 in 2021, when the OL is better and the D is retooled.

You’re a smart guy and I value your input. But think about this statement. You value Minshew as a first round talent drafted in the 6th round and essentially most of us agree he can develop on the sidelines this season. Mahomes sat his first year. There is value to a first round QB sitting his first season. That’s put us with two possible starting QBs in 2021. By then we know if Minshew is worthy or not. Nothing wrong with having a fantastic back up QB either... 

Could it be overkill? Absolutely... but after nearly 20 years of [BLEEP] QBs, I think you need overkill at this point. We need to try our best to guarantee we have a franchise qb moving forward. We have done a piss poor job in the past. 

We have 2 first we can trade to move up with...or with a class this deep, our first pick may be high enough allowing us to address our other needs later in the first.

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If you draft a QB in round one... you really don't want that guy sitting imo. Those are the guys that should be ready to come in right away and make an impact.
Otherwise you end up with Rosen or Darnold.
Duds.

Use the draft picks to shore up the OL, add weapons and play makers.
Then if Foles sucks or Minshew doesn't develop address QB in round 1 in 2021, when the OL is better and the D is retooled.

I hear you.  My only pause with waiting is the amount of options.  We have known this will be the year of a good/great QB class for mutliple years.  I have not heard a peep about 2021 except the lawrence hype last year thats faded away.  We have a plethora of options this coming draft and i just dont have faith that continuing to wait to try and fight for maybe one or two QBs next year is a replacement strategy.  Get one now when you can, while still keeping another first for another position to fill.  Would you prefer your odds of hitting with 4 to 5 pitches thrown, or would you prefer one maybe two.  If we wait, thats giving ultimate faith to our FO to make the right choice and we would have to probably trade away alot more with less QBs available to move up if needed.  Its borderline lose/lose if we wait.

So, next year, we would have another rookie QB, who has very limited experience, and no one knows what his ceiling is (just like we have now with Minshew), so what should we do in the following draft?  Spend another first round pick on a QB?  Because you'd be in the exact same situation you are in now.

Minshew has shown us all we need to see to make the decision to stick with him and develop him.   So we have a veteran and a very promising rookie RIGHT NOW.  It's stupid to draft another one when we need to build the rest of the team.

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If you draft a QB in round one... you really don't want that guy sitting imo. Those are the guys that should be ready to come in right away and make an impact.
Otherwise you end up with Rosen or Darnold.
Duds.

Use the draft picks to shore up the OL, add weapons and play makers.
Then if Foles sucks or Minshew doesn't develop address QB in round 1 in 2021, when the OL is better and the D is retooled.

You’re a smart guy and I value your input. But think about this statement. You value Minshew as a first round talent drafted in the 6th round and essentially most of us agree he can develop on the sidelines this season. Mahomes sat his first year. There is value to a first round QB sitting his first season. That’s put us with two possible starting QBs in 2021. By then we know if Minshew is worthy or not. Nothing wrong with having a fantastic back up QB either... 

Could it be overkill? Absolutely... but after nearly 20 years of [BLEEP] QBs, I think you need overkill at this point. We need to try our best to guarantee we have a franchise qb moving forward. We have done a piss poor job in the past. 

We have 2 first we can trade to move up with...or with a class this deep, our first pick may be high enough allowing us to address our other needs later in the first.

Alex Smith was playing VERY well which allowed Mahomes to sit.
I have no problem with a first round guy sitting if the guy ahead of him is clearly better. 

I just think we have an opportunity to use 2 first rounders to get 2 studs on D or OL.
I don't value Minshew as a first rounder... he's a sixth rounder, and for good reasons really.

I look at the QBs we can draft in this coming draft and don't think any of them fair much better behind an OL that needs work. Burrow gets all day protection and has weapons that don't drop the ball. Tua is great with protection and crumbles when under pressure (and now has ankle injury history). I'm not sold on Herbert or Fromm as NFL franchise guys honestly.
That's my personal scouting of these QBs. I've been wrong before (A lot)

I just think if you use high picks on OL, D, weapons... you can have a late round guy come in and be very successful (Dak Prescott, Wilson, Dalton early in his career)
That's what I'd prefer to see them do. Fix the team around WHOEVER is going to be QB in 2020/2021

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I hear you.  My only pause with waiting is the amount of options.  We have known this will be the year of a good/great QB class for mutliple years.  I have not heard a peep about 2021 except the lawrence hype last year thats faded away.  We have a plethora of options this coming draft and i just dont have faith that continuing to wait to try and fight for maybe one or two QBs next year is a replacement strategy.  Get one now when you can, while still keeping another first for another position to fill.  Would you prefer your odds of hitting with 4 to 5 pitches thrown, or would you prefer one maybe two.  If we wait, thats giving ultimate faith to our FO to make the right choice and we would have to probably trade away alot more with less QBs available to move up if needed.  Its borderline lose/lose if we wait.

So, next year, we would have another rookie QB, who has very limited experience, and no one knows what his ceiling is (just like we have now with Minshew), so what should we do in the following draft?  Spend another first round pick on a QB?  Because you'd be in the exact same situation you are in now.

We have Minshew, a 6th round QB performing extremely well, and we would have a rookie.  We still have to get rid of Foles, in case you forgot, and if you were thinking about trading him for a pick or two thats great news.  I'd rather have 2 young QBs to see what the future holds and use the rest of our picks on building a team that only needs a average to above average starter to take us over the top.  Hopefully GM steps into that role or our 1st rd QB can.  That is still better than what we have now with a team needing to beef up outside of the QB position.  I don't think you're understanding the point.  Either its going over your head or you are stuck on GM and Foles being the future instead of a 1st rounder and GM.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

So, next year, we would have another rookie QB, who has very limited experience, and no one knows what his ceiling is (just like we have now with Minshew), so what should we do in the following draft?  Spend another first round pick on a QB?  Because you'd be in the exact same situation you are in now.

We have Minshew, a 6th round QB performing extremely well, and we would have a rookie.  We still have to get rid of Foles, in case you forgot, and if you were thinking about trading him for a pick or two thats great news.  I'd rather have 2 young QBs to see what the future holds and use the rest of our picks on building a team that only needs a average to above average starter to take us over the top.  Hopefully GM steps into that role or our 1st rd QB can.  That is still better than what we have now with a team needing to beef up outside of the QB position.  I don't think you're understanding the point.  Either its going over your head or you are stuck on GM and Foles being the future instead of a 1st rounder and GM.

We also still have Joshua Dobbs another young promising talent... ish. That they used a 5th round pick on this year.

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You’re a smart guy and I value your input. But think about this statement. You value Minshew as a first round talent drafted in the 6th round and essentially most of us agree he can develop on the sidelines this season. Mahomes sat his first year. There is value to a first round QB sitting his first season. That’s put us with two possible starting QBs in 2021. By then we know if Minshew is worthy or not. Nothing wrong with having a fantastic back up QB either... 

Could it be overkill? Absolutely... but after nearly 20 years of [BLEEP] QBs, I think you need overkill at this point. We need to try our best to guarantee we have a franchise qb moving forward. We have done a piss poor job in the past. 

We have 2 first we can trade to move up with...or with a class this deep, our first pick may be high enough allowing us to address our other needs later in the first.

Alex Smith was playing VERY well which allowed Mahomes to sit.
I have no problem with a first round guy sitting if the guy ahead of him is clearly better. 

I just think we have an opportunity to use 2 first rounders to get 2 studs on D or OL.
I don't value Minshew as a first rounder... he's a sixth rounder, and for good reasons really.

I look at the QBs we can draft in this coming draft and don't think any of them fair much better behind an OL that needs work. Burrow gets all day protection and has weapons that don't drop the ball. Tua is great with protection and crumbles when under pressure (and now has ankle injury history). I'm not sold on Herbert or Fromm as NFL franchise guys honestly.
That's my personal scouting of these QBs. I've been wrong before (A lot)

I just think if you use high picks on OL, D, weapons... you can have a late round guy come in and be very successful (Dak Prescott, Wilson, Dalton early in his career)
That's what I'd prefer to see them do. Fix the team around WHOEVER is going to be QB in 2020/2021

Ok lets say we go OL, OL and a player on D with our other 1st rounders and get more players on D with maybe an extra TE with the rest of our draft picks in the next 2 years....lets say 4 early/mid round picks for fun.  Thats 7 picks from 1st through 4/5 outside of QB and you dont think thats enough?

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.