Love has nothing to do with race. People marry who they love. Fred Taylor married a white woman too.

 

Brownest white woman I have ever seen. Incredible tan.

 

...she is actually pretty hot. 

 

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Brownest white woman I have ever seen. Incredible tan.

 

...she is actually pretty hot. 

 

OK maybe it was David Garrard.

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if mr Wilson cares so much about race. I wonder why he married a white woman. race can't be that important to him obviously.

What does his personal life has to do with being the second Black QB to win a Super Bowl?

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

What does his personal life has to do with being the second Black QB to win a Super Bowl?

 

Some people don't understand context. Being 2nd out of 48 total QBs is pretty significant. 

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Brownest white woman I have ever seen. Incredible tan.

 

...she is actually pretty hot. 

 

lol, yeah shes not white, but she is beautiful, has a great smile too. Can't buy that kind of smile.

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Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

I want to clarify, or further explain my intentions on creating this topic.

 

I am by no means looking to another individual for gratitude or elevation based off of their success, or successes. I have repeatedly mentioned on this message board my beginnings, struggles, fortunes, and blessings to get where I am as a person both financially, and personally. I take pride in my own work through self evaluation, perseverance and humbleness and continue to rely on those tools (and others) to help mold me become the person I was destined to be.

 

Again, I have shared my testimony of my life (to a certain degree) on here that defines some of the reasoning's as to why I created this thread in regards to Wilson.

 

Some people celebrate the success of others, some people find the motivation from the success of others, while many people find out who they are (with humility) through the success of others. We must exercise caution when we begin to advise others of how they should celebrate the success of people who they can either relate to, or are inspired from.

 

We see cultures all the time celebrate their own heritage (sports wise) all the while maintaining the respect of society. The biggest and best examples I can readily think of is the Dominicans celebrating their baseball hero's, and Russians with Hockey. Should we condone them for the same thing when one of their own athletes achieve or make history in their respective leagues, even if they may celebrate their own sports stars differently?

 

Briefly removing the sports theme from it, Italian and Chinese people openly celebrate their culture and embrace other cultures as well. That carries over to the sports landscape. Are we to tell them "Why does race matter"? And point the finger at them as well?


 

Im going to go out on a limb and ask this question (albeit rhetorical). Is it doing me an injustice to be proud of Russell Wilson and his achievements? Should I celebrate this beautiful achievement quietly and privately? The better question should be, am I allowed to celebrate my heritage and race the way I want while respecting my fellow citizens?

 

This month is Black History, and next month is Women's History. Should we suppress a Woman's feelings if she wants to post a (non religious-political) thread on here celebrating a first time, or unique achievement of a Woman?

Valid. I was more talking about only focusing on the various cultural achievements, rather than self-improvement. I am sure everyone heres knows of the proverbial guy who shook the presidents hand and it was the highlight of his life. Well its kind of sad, if that is the only highlight.

 

I am not saying it is an injustice to celebrate, just don't let it end there. I went to a private highschool we had to come to school on MLK day. Everyone knew that come MLK day, all the black students would skip school and say they were celebrating when most of them were not. Well my Junior year we had a Black SA President who had a convocation the Thursday before MLK day, and he thrashed the black male students especially. He quoted statistics that said that 1 in 4 Black men would be arrested in their life, and went down the aisle counting to 4. He also said that he was having that speech that day because he knew that all the black students would skip on MLK day. He unequivocally advocated that students try to improve themselves and overcome their own limitations rather than just 'celebrating' MLK's life, i.e. He wanted them to live the way MLK said they should live, rather than just pointing to MLK as a 'great man.'

 

You should have seen the fallout. It was probably one of the best speech's I heard while I was in school, but it got nothing but hate. It was sad. That is what I mean. People shouldn't let other peoples success become an excuse for their own lack of success. He achieved so I don't have to. Its like a reverse denial, I keep pumping up somebody else, so people don't look at me. It like the reverse of making fun of people to make ourselves look less bad. But with either one of these methods, the point seems to be to ignore individual roles and emphasize the other people. Anyway, you have some valid questions, and I don't pretend to have answers to everything, but hope that clarifies.

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Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

If I was putting together a team that consists of only current talented players with great football character and great overall character,  Russell Wilson would be my starting QB.  He would be throwing the ball to Calvin Johnson.   Russell Wilson is mature beyond his years.   Wilson is very easy to root for to have success.  I'm confident that success won't go to his head and that he will stay grounded.

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Maybe we can praise the next white cornerback who starts at corner and isn't moved to safety. Or running back not moved to fullback,

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Maybe we can praise the next white cornerback who starts at corner and isn't moved to safety. Or running back not moved to fullback,

 

I can't agree with that. Regardless of a player's skin color, moving to a different position does not have to mean a player is not as good as he used to be just because that happens.

 

We can easily have a whole thread on this topic.

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I can't agree with that. Regardless of a player's skin color, moving to a different position does not have to mean a player is not as good as he used to be just because that happens.


We can easily have a whole thread on this topic.

The point is it works both ways

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Maybe we can praise the next white cornerback who starts at corner and isn't moved to safety. Or running back not moved to fullback,

 

Nice try with the baiting, but stay on topic.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Something tells me if Russell Wilson had a horrible game and and put up no points on offense and seattle's defense and special teams won the game only, then this topic will still be posted in here by some one.


I'm not saying what he did isn't noteworthy. I just think it's noteworthy for the wrong reasons. I think Wilson is a great guy, mature, smart, and overall a great athlete. He had a great year, led his team to the SB and won. Congrats to him on his hard work, dedication and skill. He earned it. I'm not going to congratulate him any more or less because he was born a certain race. His skin color shouldn't be an issue. Regardless of his skin color, he earned the right to be called a SB champion. That should be all that matters.


As long as we have people bringing up who did what and what color they are, we will have the other races taking offense to it. It only fuels the racism. Like one poster said earlier, we aren't going to be praising white RBs. I'm sure if we did African Americans would be pretty upset. And rightfully so. It works both ways.

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Valid. I was more talking about only focusing on the various cultural achievements, rather than self-improvement. I am sure everyone heres knows of the proverbial guy who shook the presidents hand and it was the highlight of his life. Well its kind of sad, if that is the only highlight. Why is it sad because the highlight of someone's life is shaking the presidents hand? 


 

I am not saying it is an injustice to celebrate, just don't let it end there. I went to a private highschool we had to come to school on MLK day. Everyone knew that come MLK day, all the black students would skip school and say they were celebrating when most of them were not. Well my Junior year we had a Black SA President who had a convocation the Thursday before MLK day, and he thrashed the black male students especially. He quoted statistics that said that 1 in 4 Black men would be arrested in their life, and went down the aisle counting to 4. He also said that he was having that speech that day because he knew that all the black students would skip on MLK day. He unequivocally advocated that students try to improve themselves and overcome their own limitations rather than just 'celebrating' MLK's life, i.e. He wanted them to live the way MLK said they should live, rather than just pointing to MLK as a 'great man.' Well at my school All of the African American kids attended school on MLK day, and we even had assignments dedicated to the impact he along with other pioneers made on society. I along with other students used sports figures who were inspiring to me.


 

You should have seen the fallout. It was probably one of the best speech's I heard while I was in school, but it got nothing but hate. It was sad. That is what I mean. People shouldn't let other peoples success become an excuse for their own lack of success. He achieved so I don't have to. Its like a reverse denial, I keep pumping up somebody else, so people don't look at me. It like the reverse of making fun of people to make ourselves look less bad. But with either one of these methods, the point seems to be to ignore individual roles and emphasize the other people. Anyway, you have some valid questions, and I don't pretend to have answers to everything, but hope that clarifies. ​Was it one of the best speeches you heard in a while because he "criticized' his own race, but yet you applauded him for recommending people not just celebrate MLK's life? I ask that question because again, many people celebrate those who have achieved milestones and have laid a path of history. As for the rest of this statement, I think you are making a inaccurate broad assumption of how some people view other's success. 


 

I also want to briefly touch on the issue of self-hatred. The other problem with today's society is that if we dont feel comfortable embracing our own cultures for fear of ridicule, many outsiders will try to use the self-hatred tactic to suppress someone's feelings about themselves or how they embrace their culture by labeling them, or try to apply a stereotype.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Something tells me if Russell Wilson had a horrible game and and put up no points on offense and seattle's defense and special teams won the game only, then this topic will still be posted in here by some one.


I'm not saying what he did isn't noteworthy. I just think it's noteworthy for the wrong reasons. I think Wilson is a great guy, mature, smart, and overall a great athlete. He had a great year, led his team to the SB and won. Congrats to him on his hard work, dedication and skill. He earned it. I'm not going to congratulate him any more or less because he was born a certain race. His skin color shouldn't be an issue. Regardless of his skin color, he earned the right to be called a SB champion. That should be all that matters.


As long as we have people bringing up who did what and what color they are, we will have the other races taking offense to it. It only fuels the racism. Like one poster said earlier, we aren't going to be praising white RBs. I'm sure if we did African Americans would be pretty upset. And rightfully so. It works both ways.

Lol you sound like the people who cry foul because blacks and hispanics have BET, Univision, the NAACP, Hispanic Federation, etc etc. I always laughed when someone said why is there no WET, as if they are totally ignorant that 99% of TV programming is aimed at white audiences.


Also if there was a good white running back, everyone would praise him. Unfortunately there are very few because there are fewer white players going to the next level at that position or others such as cornerback. Danny Woodhead for example was a popular RB in all kinds of fantasy circles. Don't start the whole reverse racism BS, it's just plain silly.

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Lol you sound like the people who cry foul because blacks and hispanics have BET, Univision, the NAACP, Hispanic Federation, etc etc. I always laughed when someone said why is there no WET, as if they are totally ignorant that 99% of TV programming is aimed at white audiences.

Also if there was a good white running back, everyone would praise him. Unfortunately there are very few because there are fewer white players going to the next level at that position or others such as cornerback. Danny Woodhead for example was a popular RB in all kinds of fantasy circles. Don't start the whole reverse racism [BAD WORD REMOVED], it's just plain silly.

You keep focusing on skin color...the rest of us are going to move on....

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Lol you sound like the people who cry foul because blacks and hispanics have BET, Univision, the NAACP, Hispanic Federation, etc etc. I always laughed when someone said why is there no WET, as if they are totally ignorant that 99% of TV programming is aimed at white audiences.


Also if there was a good white running back, everyone would praise him. Unfortunately there are very few because there are fewer white players going to the next level at that position or others such as cornerback. Danny Woodhead for example was a popular RB in all kinds of fantasy circles. Don't start the whole reverse racism [BAD WORD REMOVED], it's just plain silly.

 

 

I'm glad you have such an enlightened point of view.  Just comes across as closet racism to me.

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Lol you sound like the people who cry foul because blacks and hispanics have BET, Univision, the NAACP, Hispanic Federation, etc etc. I always laughed when someone said why is there no WET, as if they are totally ignorant that 99% of TV programming is aimed at white audiences.


Also if there was a good white running back, everyone would praise him. Unfortunately there are very few because there are fewer white players going to the next level at that position or others such as cornerback. Danny Woodhead for example was a popular RB in all kinds of fantasy circles. Don't start the whole reverse racism [BAD WORD REMOVED], it's just plain silly.

 

There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism completely. Everyone experiences racism in some fashion because differences between races are real yet are not to be ignored but to be embraced. Those differences should be recognized, understood and appreciated.

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Lol you sound like the people who cry foul because blacks and hispanics have BET, Univision, the NAACP, Hispanic Federation, etc etc. I always laughed when someone said why is there no WET, as if they are totally ignorant that 99% of TV programming is aimed at white audiences.

Also if there was a good white running back, everyone would praise him. Unfortunately there are very few because there are fewer white players going to the next level at that position or others such as cornerback. Danny Woodhead for example was a popular RB in all kinds of fantasy circles. Don't start the whole reverse racism [BAD WORD REMOVED], it's just plain silly.

Danny wood head is a pretty good rb. Not up there with the greats by any means. I will congratulate woodhead for his accomplishments on the field. He deserves ZERO praise for being a white RB when most are black.

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I'm glad you have such an enlightened point of view. Just comes across as closet racism to me.

What did I say that was remotely racist?

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There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism completely. Everyone experiences racism in some fashion because differences between races are real yet are not to be ignored but to be embraced. Those differences should be recognized, understood and appreciated.

 

I like that.

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