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*** THE OFFICIAL IMPEACHMENT THREAD ***
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Am I mistaken or is the hearsay that the democrats are using to connect the dots from skull sessions and then applied to the phone conversation?
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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (12-21-2019, 03:13 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:(12-21-2019, 12:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: You can decide what is credible for yourself. Each of our 100 senators should do the same. Sometimes hearsay is credible. The federal rules of evidence allow for one person to testify about what another person said in some circumstances. The Accused in a criminal trial does have to testify if the prosecutor calls him. But he can assert his 5th amendment privilege, for specific questions, if he believes that answering truthfully would incriminate himself. The Accused is Trump. Not Bolton. Not Mulvaney.
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"The Court held that there is a qualified privilege, which once invoked, creates a presumption of privilege, and the party seeking the documents must then make a "sufficient showing" that the "presidential material" is "essential to the justice of the case".
A Trump defender who says "Sondland didn't hear that from the President's mouth" or "yeah, they heard Bolton say 'drug deal' but they weren't sure why he said it" is telling us that hearing from Bolton and Mulvaney is essential to the justice of the case. Executive privilege does not apply.
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(12-21-2019, 03:58 PM)mikesez Wrote:(12-21-2019, 03:13 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: The basis of all American Law is that the prosecution has to prove the case and the Accused does not have to participate. No matter how much you say that they should testify the simple and most basic fundamental of our law says that they don't have to and that you have to prove your case even if they do not. Since they have not, and you have not proven your case, then the vote to impeach is seen, rightly so, as a mere political tactic by the Democratic Party. You can kvetch all you want, torture the words and laws all you want, pout and cry all you want, even go as far as to pretend that you are correct all you want, but the facts are not on your side and the Senate, and by extension the American People, knows it and will hold you accountable next November. "Executive Privilege" is more than just a cool band name. (12-21-2019, 04:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: "The Court held that there is a qualified privilege, which once invoked, creates a presumption of privilege, and the party seeking the documents must then make a "sufficient showing" that the "presidential material" is "essential to the justice of the case".So In your colored, biased, prejudiced, partial, and partisan opinion only. In other words, it does to normal people but not to TDS sufferers like yourself. So yeah, enjoy your months running that up the Supremes who will just tell you to get bent. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(12-21-2019, 12:52 PM)mikesez Wrote:(12-21-2019, 12:21 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Just think about how ignorant this is. Calling something "political" doesnt magically make third hand hearsay or speculation any more credible to determining TRUTH. The left has succeeded in convincing so many people that this is some sort of human drama. Is this person going to testify? IS that person going to testify. Was the president in a bad mood today. Did he swear when he told you to leave the room. Do you think the president tweets too much. etc. There is documentary evidence that the cover story "The investigation was closed" is a lie regarding the firing of shokin. There is documentary evidence that the payments made to Hunter Biden were potentially laundered. If anyone else on this board got millions of dollars filtered through 4 countries and shell companies owned by international criminals then you get investigated! We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (12-22-2019, 02:55 AM)jj82284 Wrote:(12-21-2019, 12:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: You can decide what is credible for yourself. Each of our 100 senators should do the same. Sometimes hearsay is credible. The federal rules of evidence allow for one person to testify about what another person said in some circumstances. My understanding of the "Biden gets a corrupt prosecutor fired" timeline comes from reading professional American media, including Fox News. I would never trust a random dude on a message board enough to let him add elements to that timeline.
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(12-22-2019, 10:44 AM)mikesez Wrote:(12-22-2019, 02:55 AM)jj82284 Wrote: The left has succeeded in convincing so many people that this is some sort of human drama. Is this person going to testify? IS that person going to testify. Was the president in a bad mood today. Did he swear when he told you to leave the room. Do you think the president tweets too much. etc. Which perfectly explains your inability to recognize the failings of your position. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(12-22-2019, 10:44 AM)mikesez Wrote:(12-22-2019, 02:55 AM)jj82284 Wrote: The left has succeeded in convincing so many people that this is some sort of human drama. Is this person going to testify? IS that person going to testify. Was the president in a bad mood today. Did he swear when he told you to leave the room. Do you think the president tweets too much. etc. Thankfully it wasn't just hearsay. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (12-22-2019, 03:28 PM)jj82284 Wrote: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...02PRP131Jw Lindsey Graham and I certainly agree that Mike Pompeo has stuff to add to this story. However, if he had any information that helped Trump's case, that was fit for public consumption, we would already know about it. Trump would have had him put it out there by now. And if his information is not fit for public consumption, he might share it with some Senators, but he's not going to share it with us. It is much more likely that he does have some interesting information, that is fit for public consumption, but is not disclosing it because it makes Trump look bad.
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(12-22-2019, 05:44 PM)mikesez Wrote:(12-22-2019, 03:28 PM)jj82284 Wrote: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...02PRP131Jw It's much more likely that the info Pompeo has is directly related to the ongoing investigation into money laundering and corruption that will be revealed when Durham files his laundry list of charges against Democrats and NeverTrumpers for their corrupt and borderline treasonous behavior the last 12 years. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(12-22-2019, 06:09 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:(12-22-2019, 05:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: Lindsey Graham and I certainly agree that Mike Pompeo has stuff to add to this story. Random dudes on message boards putting all their faith in a prosecutor... Being so sure about what the contents of his report will say months before it comes out... Why does this feel familiar?
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(12-22-2019, 06:27 PM)mikesez Wrote:(12-22-2019, 06:09 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: It's much more likely that the info Pompeo has is directly related to the ongoing investigation into money laundering and corruption that will be revealed when Durham files his laundry list of charges against Democrats and NeverTrumpers for their corrupt and borderline treasonous behavior the last 12 years. Lol, because Barr is royally pissed and Trump isn't going to stop him from cleaning up the place. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (12-22-2019, 05:44 PM)mikesez Wrote:(12-22-2019, 03:28 PM)jj82284 Wrote: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...02PRP131Jw It is out there!!! What do u think I've been talking about? There is documentary evidence that as late as 2/2/16 the owner of the company had assets under seizure at the direction of the PGO. That completely obliterates the alibi that "the investigation was over." Its been in news papers, publicly released senate memoranda that u just read etc. Again. This is akin to you plugging your ears not listening to my wife's testimony when ur charging me with HER MURDER!!! (12-23-2019, 02:29 AM)jj82284 Wrote:(12-22-2019, 05:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: Lindsey Graham and I certainly agree that Mike Pompeo has stuff to add to this story. "The question of whether Shokin’s investigation against Burisma was in fact a serious one is disputed, however. His deputy has said it was not, as have US officials based in Ukraine; and according the New York Times, some US and Ukrainian officials believe the former prosecutor was pantomiming an investigation in effort to solicit a bribe from Zlochevsky.
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(12-23-2019, 10:57 AM)mikesez Wrote:(12-23-2019, 02:29 AM)jj82284 Wrote: It is out there!!! What do u think I've been talking about? There is documentary evidence that as late as 2/2/16 the owner of the company had assets under seizure at the direction of the PGO. That completely obliterates the alibi that "the investigation was over." Its been in news papers, publicly released senate memoranda that u just read etc. First there was no investigation. Now its pantomiming. Bribe? Where is the documentary evidence shokin took a bribe? We have documents of court filings and asset seizure against burisma. We have the documents of millions of dollars going to archer & biden. WE have the documents heavily suggesting it was laundered. We have tape of biden linking aid to the firing. Where are your documents?
My theory about Pelosi holding Articles has to do with RBG. They want to keep Trump in Presidential purgatory so that if/when RBG retires or dies, the Dems can try to hold up a SCOTUS nomination by saying they aren't going to let an "impeached" President appoint a SCOTUS judge. They also get to hang that tag on him until he is acquitted. If she never sends the Articles, then every broadcaster can say "Impeached President Donald Trump" every time they reference him.
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(12-26-2019, 10:21 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: My theory about Pelosi holding Articles has to do with RBG. They want to keep Trump in Presidential purgatory so that if/when RBG retires or dies, the Dems can try to hold up a SCOTUS nomination by saying they aren't going to let an "impeached" President appoint a SCOTUS judge. They also get to hang that tag on him until he is acquitted. If she never sends the Articles, then every broadcaster can say "Impeached President Donald Trump" every time they reference him. Cocaine Mitch will eventually just counter with a dismissal of the charges. He doesn't really have to wait for Nancy to hand deliver them to the Senate chamber, he can act on them once a reasonable time passes. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(12-26-2019, 10:21 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: My theory about Pelosi holding Articles has to do with RBG. They want to keep Trump in Presidential purgatory so that if/when RBG retires or dies, the Dems can try to hold up a SCOTUS nomination by saying they aren't going to let an "impeached" President appoint a SCOTUS judge. They also get to hang that tag on him until he is acquitted. If she never sends the Articles, then every broadcaster can say "Impeached President Donald Trump" every time they reference him. Claiming someone to be an existential threat to our democracy and a national security risk, then holding the articles of impeachment and going on vacation is not going to sit well with the American public. My understanding is he hasn't officially been impeached until the articles are sent to the Senate anyway. Nancy is in a no-win situation here and this will all die when the GOP takes back the house in 2020. As Barry Hussein Obama once said, elections have consequences. Mitch is smarter than Nancy and isn't going to let her or Cryin' Chuck tell him what to do.
(12-23-2019, 10:57 AM)mikesez Wrote:(12-23-2019, 02:29 AM)jj82284 Wrote: It is out there!!! What do u think I've been talking about? There is documentary evidence that as late as 2/2/16 the owner of the company had assets under seizure at the direction of the PGO. That completely obliterates the alibi that "the investigation was over." Its been in news papers, publicly released senate memoranda that u just read etc. "According to the New York Times" Now it becomes clear that you are totally parroting lies. "Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?" |
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