Divide from the norm? What the hell does that even mean? I guess every non-white race should just abandon their cultures. Keeping them is just racist!

 

I thought divide from the norm was quite clear. but I will be happy to elaborate.  in its simplest form it means to separate from the whole of humanity based on a minor difference. i.e. skin pigmentation.

 

Also race and culture do not go hand in hand. one is a tiny genetic difference.  the other is a choice of the participants, separating races could be part of a culture. but it would be a racist culture. by any objective reasoning.

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How many black history books have you read, classes you took? The populatuon of blacks in America is a little under 13%. Of course you wouldn't hear anything about the other players, when our American history is so heavily skewed to one group of people. When I was in highschool we spent less than two weeks on topics such as Slavery, Jim Crow, andthe civil rights period. I think we spent more time romanticizing about the leaders of old than anything else. It took me going to college and becoming a grown man before I learned any of the nitty gritty about my African/European/and Native American ancestry.But you are implying that firsts are the only thing that matter? You are so totally and utterly clueless. Sorry the world is not color blind, sorry race does exist. I did not invent the term. Some European from way back when did despite there being no biological basis for it. Russell sees himself as a black male, and as a black male his experiences are colored by his culture and all the history that is tied to it. Sorry it bothers you so. Cry baby.

 

I realize that this is a bit late, but I know that I'm significantly younger than many of the posters on here and thought that this anecdote was worth sharing:


In my AP U.S. History class we had a required research paper on an important individual of African-American ancestry. I distinctly remember spending an entire class discussing how owning slaves should effect the legacy of Thomas Jefferson. The entire class (a primarily Caucasian one at that) came to the conclusion that while it shouldn't erase him from the history books his position as a slave owner should be noted, at the very least, in every history book unlike it was when our teacher was in school. We spent more time on the effects of racial tension on the Civil War than we did on the Civil War itself. The civil rights era was the longest unit in our class barring the American Revolution.


Now, I can't vouch for "regular" courses because I didn't take them and none of my friends had them, but as far as I know schools are becoming less afraid to discuss matters like these. I had the luxury of a brand new school with brand new materials too, but I hope that it at least foreshadows a change in what is taught.

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Just curious.

 

Do you have a problem with certain races or cultures?

 

If its not something you want to talk about on here, you can PM me.

 

Cultures, yes I do.  many cultures around this world that bother me.  the anti-women cultures of much of the developing world are quite sad.  take female circumcision for example, or the rampant sexism of the middle east ect.  or on the more trivial, eating dogs in korea I find disturbing personally but I don't hold it against them.

 

traditional anthropological studies have five races: Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Australoid, Negroid, and Capoid. would take genetic tests for any certainty to even know what kind of mixed ancestry one has. not that we even have tests that are any good at it. though im sure the results would surprise some people.  its only truly useful place is in medicine. 

 

 truthfully there is no racial gene we know of. the cosmetic difference that divide us are a tiny part of our genetics. genetic predisposition to various diseases differ even among what we would call the same race. one day maybe geneticist will be able to point to a race gene but I highly doubt it.

 

if you mean unscientific way the united states government subjectively divides race, based on self identification then certainly I have a problem with that, it only perpetuates the current racial silliness

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Wouldn't that make him the first half black, half white quarterback to win a Super Bowl?

 

If we are going to say that, why don't people call Barack Obama the first multiracial president? He is half white too.

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If we are going to say that, why don't people call Barack Obama the first multiracial president? He is half white too.

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African Americans are technically already multiracial. Over 58% of AAs have over 12.5% European ancestry.

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Imagine the uproar if whites celebrated "first starting white cornerback in Superbowl since..."


Judging someone on their skin is stupid however it is done. Hopefully the Rooney rule will end too or adjusted to non whites and non blacks to encourage Asians etc

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Imagine the uproar if whites celebrated "first starting white cornerback in Superbowl since..."


Judging someone on their skin is stupid however it is done. Hopefully the Rooney rule will end too or adjusted to non whites and non blacks to encourage Asians etc

 

The Rooney rule applies to ball racial minorites. I agree it is stupid.

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The Rooney rule applies to ball racial minorites. I agree it is stupid.

 

The Rooney rule is flawed but it is the best option we have, otherwise many minority coaches wouldn't even get an interview. It's fine to ignore color, but don't be completely drawn out of reality. There are many well qualified people, who simply never get a chance. Part of it is race, the other is just not being in the right circles to get the opportunity. Let's not pretend like we live in a society where there are truly equal opportunities. Heck Jacksonville had issues just 40 years ago with recruiting black firefighters. They simply didn't want to bring any in.  

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African Americans are technically already multiracial. Over 58% of AAs have over 12.5% European ancestry.

 

What do you think most "caucasian" folks are who were born in America?

 

Just about everyone is multiracial to some degree.  You go back far enough and folks may be surprised at what they find.

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Valid. I was more talking about only focusing on the various cultural achievements, rather than self-improvement. I am sure everyone heres knows of the proverbial guy who shook the presidents hand and it was the highlight of his life. Well its kind of sad, if that is the only highlight. Why is it sad because the highlight of someone's life is shaking the presidents hand? 


 

I am not saying it is an injustice to celebrate, just don't let it end there. I went to a private highschool we had to come to school on MLK day. Everyone knew that come MLK day, all the black students would skip school and say they were celebrating when most of them were not. Well my Junior year we had a Black SA President who had a convocation the Thursday before MLK day, and he thrashed the black male students especially. He quoted statistics that said that 1 in 4 Black men would be arrested in their life, and went down the aisle counting to 4. He also said that he was having that speech that day because he knew that all the black students would skip on MLK day. He unequivocally advocated that students try to improve themselves and overcome their own limitations rather than just 'celebrating' MLK's life, i.e. He wanted them to live the way MLK said they should live, rather than just pointing to MLK as a 'great man.' Well at my school All of the African American kids attended school on MLK day, and we even had assignments dedicated to the impact he along with other pioneers made on society. I along with other students used sports figures who were inspiring to me.


 

You should have seen the fallout. It was probably one of the best speech's I heard while I was in school, but it got nothing but hate. It was sad. That is what I mean. People shouldn't let other peoples success become an excuse for their own lack of success. He achieved so I don't have to. Its like a reverse denial, I keep pumping up somebody else, so people don't look at me. It like the reverse of making fun of people to make ourselves look less bad. But with either one of these methods, the point seems to be to ignore individual roles and emphasize the other people. Anyway, you have some valid questions, and I don't pretend to have answers to everything, but hope that clarifies. ​Was it one of the best speeches you heard in a while because he "criticized' his own race, but yet you applauded him for recommending people not just celebrate MLK's life? I ask that question because again, many people celebrate those who have achieved milestones and have laid a path of history. As for the rest of this statement, I think you are making a inaccurate broad assumption of how some people view other's success. 


 

I also want to briefly touch on the issue of self-hatred. The other problem with today's society is that if we dont feel comfortable embracing our own cultures for fear of ridicule, many outsiders will try to use the self-hatred tactic to suppress someone's feelings about themselves or how they embrace their culture by labeling them, or try to apply a stereotype.

 

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It was one of the best speeches cause it was powerful and moving, and very very brave. What made it impressive was the fact that he did exactly what MLK did in standing up for an unpopular belief that was still true. And he was dogged for it.

 

Self-hatred is a problem many people may have, but the bigger issue is their lack of focusing on the positives in their own life and working to improve the talents God has given them. We are all given some ability, and we should all work to achieve what we can with that ability to God's glory. To do less is to rob ourselves of our own birthright that was given to us, no matter what the reason for doing less is.

 

I am expressing my belief in that last paragraph, and it has nothing to do with someones skin color, but everything to do with their character. And I am saddened, indeed, if you find in it nothing which you can agree.

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Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

The Rooney rule is flawed but it is the best option we have, otherwise many minority coaches wouldn't even get an interview. It's fine to ignore color, but don't be completely drawn out of reality. There are many well qualified people, who simply never get a chance. Part of it is race, the other is just not being in the right circles to get the opportunity. Let's not pretend like we live in a society where there are truly equal opportunities. Heck Jacksonville had issues just 40 years ago with recruiting black firefighters. They simply didn't want to bring any in.  

 

For the most part, the Rooney Rule is a giant wast of time and a slap in the face for black coaches. Teams usually have a pretty good idea of which coaches they want.

 

There are many qualified white coaches that never got a chance. Can you prove that it was because they were white / black? I can't. 

 

There are truths that we can't deny. There are likely more successful white coaches than black ones. There are more successful white quarterbacks than black ones. There are more successful black receivers than white ones. There are more successful black defensive backs than white ones. Why do we cry "injustice" about one and not the other? 

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99% of TV programming is aimed at white audiences.


Like? What on TV is aimed at a certain racial demographic that would exclude others?

You havent seen McDonald's commercials I guess

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For the most part, the Rooney Rule is a giant wast of time and a slap in the face for black coaches. Teams usually have a pretty good idea of which coaches they want.

 

There are many qualified white coaches that never got a chance. Can you prove that it was because they were white / black? I can't. 

 

There are truths that we can't deny. There are likely more successful white coaches than black ones. There are more successful white quarterbacks than black ones. There are more successful black receivers than white ones. There are more successful black defensive backs than white ones. Why do we cry "injustice" about one and not the other? 

 

So you are saying no disparities exist between black and white coaches? You truly believe that both have a level playing field? If there was a level playing field it would stand to reason that their would be more black headcoaches in professional sports and in college. Are blacks and other minorities just not as qualified? Why aren't they qualified? Is it lack of education, is it access to opportunities to display their head coaching skill? What is it? I would like to know why coaching in general is so skewed to whites? This is the reality, right, or am I dreaming? 

 

On white QBs vs black QBs? Why is this so? Is it because blacks cannot play the position? Is it because whites are superior? Is it because coaches generally ask their black players to use their athleticism as opposed to developing into competent passers, while white QBs who are generally less athletic are developed into legitimate passers? There is another question. Why are so many skill position players black and so few white? Is it because whites are simply not as gifted athletically, or because blacks spend more time developing their athleticism and pursuing the dream of playing in the NFL, NBA, in contrast to whites? 

 

In terms of coaching I think there are still barriers that exist. 

 

In terms of players its simply a game of numbers. Football and basketball are predominately black because more black kids are choosing to play those sports at a young age. It's not necessarily an issue of a talent disparity between whites and blacks. 

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 Yes his mother is white so was Obamas. Both proudly identify themselves as African American/Black males. Why does this trouble you?

 

Both "proudly" identify themselves as African American/Black males?

 

Then you have to ask why that bothers someone when their mothers are white? Because they ignore and discard HALF of their heritage in doing so. Isn't that incredibly insensitive to their mother's heritage? In Obama's case, he was raised by his maternal grandparents no less, yet others discard his grandparents entire nurturing and mentoring work assisting him to achieve what he's achieved. His father was nothing more than a sperm donor. That's not an incredibly difficult task. 

 

I say "others" because I've never heard him claim he's African American. Others claim Obama is African/American, but I've never heard him say so. He and Russell Wilson are no different than the rest of us. We are all multiracial!

 

I say if you're born in America you're American. You're not African/American, you're not Irish/American, you're not Italian/American. You're freakin American.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

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It was one of the best speeches cause it was powerful and moving, and very very brave. What made it impressive was the fact that he did exactly what MLK did in standing up for an unpopular belief that was still true. And he was dogged for it.  

 

Self-hatred is a problem many people may have, but the bigger issue is their lack of focusing on the positives in their own life and working to improve the talents God has given them. We are all given some ability, and we should all work to achieve what we can with that ability to God's glory. To do less is to rob ourselves of our own birthright that was given to us, no matter what the reason for doing less is.

 

I am expressing my belief in that last paragraph, and it has nothing to do with someones skin color, but everything to do with their character. And I am saddened, indeed, if you find in it nothing which you can agree. 

 

<p style="font-size:12.222222328186035px;background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">Not to be or even seem dismissive of what your classmate did, I think its easy for anyone to make a speech about how a group of people as a race can be better. I heard those same speeches from community leaders back in my hometown of Brooklyn and here in Jacksonville. What I did was I put actions behind what I wanted from my race. I participated in the PAL and later own was in a mentor group actively giving solutions, tutoring and guidance to young black men who was heading down a dangerous path. 

 
I agree, each of us is born with a gift. Some people are blessed to recognize it, and unfortunately some dont see it. 
 
 I agree with what you are saying, but in my world, people are judged by both their character and skin color. Im not complaining, it happens, its life, and im working hard to change that perception, but I want to celebrate history as well.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

For the most part, the Rooney Rule is a giant wast of time and a slap in the face for black coaches. Teams usually have a pretty good idea of which coaches they want.

 

There are many qualified white coaches that never got a chance. Can you prove that it was because they were white / black? I can't. 

 

There are truths that we can't deny. There are likely more successful white coaches than black ones. There are more successful white quarterbacks than black ones. There are more successful black receivers than white ones. There are more successful black defensive backs than white ones. Why do we cry "injustice" about one and not the other? 

 

I understand the purpose of the RR, but I feel it needs to be strengthened.

 

I have a question, If in your opinion the RR is a waste of time, what system would you put in place to promote diversity in the Head Coaching and upper management departments?

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Both "proudly" identify themselves as African American/Black males?

 

Then you have to ask why that bothers someone when their mothers are white? Because they ignore and discard HALF of their heritage in doing so. Isn't that incredibly insensitive to their mother's heritage? In Obama's case, he was raised by his maternal grandparents no less, yet others discard his grandparents entire nurturing and mentoring work assisting him to achieve what he's achieved. His father was nothing more than a sperm donor. That's not an incredibly difficult task. 

 

I say "others" because I've never heard him claim he's African American. Others claim Obama is African/American, but I've never heard him say so. He and Russell Wilson are no different than the rest of us. We are all multiracial!

 

I say if you're born in America you're American. You're not African/American, you're not Irish/American, you're not Italian/American. You're freakin American.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

 

Probably because had no one said anything, they'd be just another black guy. 

 

Sorry. I identify with African American. You don't get to tell me what kind of American I am. When I look in the mirror I see a very handsome black guy. I'm a brother, and I am fine with that. 

 

 

<p style="font-size:12.222222328186035px;">Not to be or even seem dismissive of what your classmate did, I think its easy for anyone to make a speech about how a group of people as a race can be better. I heard those same speeches from community leaders back in my hometown of Brooklyn and here in Jacksonville. What I did was I put actions behind what I wanted from my race. I participated in the PAL and later own was in a mentor group actively giving solutions, tutoring and guidance to young black men who was heading down a dangerous path. 

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I agree, each of us is born with a gift. Some people are blessed to recognize it, and unfortunately some dont see it. 
 
 I agree with what you are saying, but in my world, people are judged by both their character and skin color. Im not complaining, it happens, its life, and im working hard to change that perception, but I want to celebrate history as well.
 

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They problem comes when people try to pretend like skin color is not a factor. Unfortunately, it is. People can keep claiming they are color bind, but the real world still looks in color. 

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Probably because had no one said anything, they'd be just another black guy. 

 

Sorry. I identify with African American. You don't get to tell me what kind of American I am. When I look in the mirror I see a very handsome black guy. I'm a brother, and I am fine with that. 

 

 

They problem comes when people try to pretend like skin color is not a factor. Unfortunately, it is. People can keep claiming they are color bind, but the real world still looks in color. 

 

African American! Pick one!

 

Regards.....................the Chiefjag

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They problem comes when people try to pretend like skin color is not a factor. Unfortunately, it is. People can keep claiming they are color bind, but the real world still looks in color. 

 

Yep. 

 

To grow up having absolutely nothing, eating nothing, worrying about alot of stuff at the age of 10,12, 15 that a 30 year old adult should be worrying about, then being blessed to have a opportunity to attend Florida State University, get a good paying job with nice benefits, have cars paid for ,and a good mortgage, ive come along way but.........

 

......in the world I deal with Ive seen Corporate wigs bypass me to talk to the lower level employees when they realize after the fact they have to sit in meetings with me and conduct business. People on the outside just don't understand how much that stings, but I was built for this and its just another brick I need to knock down. 

 

No I dont go home and cry to my wife, or get angry. I just use the motivation of MLK, (sports related) Russell Wilson, Doug Williams, etc to fuel me. Ive seen a few of my own peers turn their backs on their African Americans to advance in the professional world only to have it backfire. Before I could already predict their outcome, I made the determination I will inject conversations about race without the 'radical' that they so often expect, but maintain my humility.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

So you are saying no disparities exist between black and white coaches? You truly believe that both have a level playing field? If there was a level playing field it would stand to reason that their would be more black headcoaches in professional sports and in college. Are blacks and other minorities just not as qualified? Why aren't they qualified? Is it lack of education, is it access to opportunities to display their head coaching skill? What is it? I would like to know why coaching in general is so skewed to whites? This is the reality, right, or am I dreaming? 

 

On white QBs vs black QBs? Why is this so? Is it because blacks cannot play the position? Is it because whites are superior? Is it because coaches generally ask their black players to use their athleticism as opposed to developing into competent passers, while white QBs who are generally less athletic are developed into legitimate passers? There is another question. Why are so many skill position players black and so few white? Is it because whites are simply not as gifted athletically, or because blacks spend more time developing their athleticism and pursuing the dream of playing in the NFL, NBA, in contrast to whites? 

 

In terms of coaching I think there are still barriers that exist. 

 

In terms of players its simply a game of numbers. Football and basketball are predominately black because more black kids are choosing to play those sports at a young age. It's not necessarily an issue of a talent disparity between whites and blacks. 

 

I think you're missing my point.

 

There is a disparity with white and black coaches, but there is disparity in favor of black athletes in some positions. Where is your outrage there?

 

In your post, you say that white people are more unathletic, but you go on the same that black athletes are equally competent in every way. You can't have inequality in your favor but not against. My point is that there are, at the moment, positions where white people excel. On the flip-side, there are positions where black people exceed. 

 

 

I understand the purpose of the RR, but I feel it needs to be strengthened.

 

I have a question, If in your opinion the RR is a waste of time, what system would you put in place to promote diversity in the Head Coaching and upper management departments?

 

In a sport / job / career where minorities tend to excel, I don't feel as though the RR is necessary. 

 

Since your last post (@ 10:36) addresses the point I'm trying to make, I'll use my answer to that one for this one too. Inequality works for and against both sides. I've been in locker rooms / businesses / whatever where I wasn't welcomed specifically because I was white. I was poor, and I wasn't handed anything. I worked a bunch of part-time jobs to pay for a second-rate school out-of-pocket until I got the job I wanted. I still don't make a lot of money, and I've seen people far less qualified get promoted ahead of me. Some were black, some were white. 

 

I believe that each race tends to excel in certain careers paths. It would be stupid and inaccurate to say that one is better than the other, but it would be even dumber to say that there aren't differences. I'm also not saying that one isn't capable of achieving that of the other. I just don't think we need to bump up minority candidates if we don't also bump up white minority candidates in positions where they don't excel. If your argument is for equality for everyone, then we must fight for that. I'm down for that but it doesn't seem like that's your argument. 

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